Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- William LONGESPEE, Earl of Salisbury Birth: Abt 1170
Death: 7 Mar 1225/6 in Salisbury Castle
Marriage:
Children:
- Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety Birth: 1
Death: Abt 18 Feb 1224/5
- William BIGOD Birth: 2
- Roger BIGOD Birth: 3
- John BIGOD Birth: 4
- Ralph BIGOD Birth: 5
Death: After 1219
- Mary BIGOD Birth: 1
- Margaret BIGOD Birth: 2
- Alice BIGOD Death: After 1214
- Ida BIGOD Birth: 3
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 10/8/2007-073752, Richardson PA p457,
Richardson PA p8, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p362, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p40,
Richardson RoyalAnc v5p171]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- Hamelin Plantagenet (#10294) & Isabelle de Warenne (#10295) [Ref:
Holloway WENTWORTH p4, Watney WALLOP #1026, Wurts MCBarons p427]
- Roger III De TOENI (#11447) & Ida (Gertrude) (#11448) [Ref: ES II
#83]
- possibly Matthew of Alsace (#11391) & Mary (#11392) [Ref: Evans
Longspee p266]
- possibly, tentative, Roger De TOENI (#11447) & Ida of Hainault
(#11448) [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 1/6/2000, Reed CountessIda p149],
- father:
- Hamelin Plantagenet (#10294) [Ref: Watney WALLOP #109]
Sources with Information about marriage to Henry II Curt Mantel PLANTAGENET, King Of England
- date:
- concubine [Ref: HenryII henry002 6/27/2004, Richardson PA p8, Richardson
RoyalAnc v1p362, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p40, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p172,
Roberts RD600 p442, Roberts RD600 p445, Roberts RD600 p448, Roberts RD600
p450, Roberts RD600 p454, Roberts RD600 p455, Roberts RD600 p457, Roberts
USPres p212],
- names:
- [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 8/1/1995],
- child:
- [Ref: CP++(proposed) Salisbury 2/22/2005 (CP XI p379(f)), HenryII
henry002 6/27/2004, Richardson PA p8, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p362, Richardson
RoyalAnc v1p40, Roberts RD600 p442, Roberts RD600 p445, Roberts RD600 p448,
Roberts RD600 p450, Roberts RD600 p452, Roberts RD600 p454, Roberts RD600
p455, Roberts RD600 p457, Roberts USPres p212]
Sources with Information about marriage to Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
- date:
- around Christmas 1181 [Ref: CP++ Norfolk 10/24/2005 (CP IX p589),
Richardson RoyalAnc v1p362]
- before 1190 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #1026, Watney WALLOP #109],
- names:
- [Ref: HenryII henry002 6/27/2004, Richardson PA p8, Richardson RoyalAnc
v5p172, Roberts RD600 p442, Roberts RD600 p445, Roberts RD600 p448, Roberts
RD600 p450, Roberts RD600 p454, Roberts RD600 p455, Roberts RD600 p457,
Roberts USPres p212]
- Roger BIGOD & Ida ___ [Ref: CP IX p589, Weis AR7 #69, Weis MC #3],
- child:
- [Ref: CP IX p589, CP++ Norfolk 12/31/2006 (CP IX p589(f)), John
Ravilious SGM 8/27/2006-142441, Phair Longespee p280, Ray Phair SGM
7/3/2002-170616, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p362, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p244,
Richardson RoyalAnc v4p226, Weis AR7 #69, Weis MC #3]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- names:
- Roger Bigod & Isabel dau Hamelin Plantagenet & Isabell de Warenne [Ref:
Holloway WENTWORTH p4, Watney WALLOP #109, Wurts MCBarons p427],
- child:
- Margaret (#197051) wife of Sir John JERMY [Ref: Roberts RD600 p553]
Research Notes:
referred to twice by William Longspee as "Countess Ida"; only Ida in England
who fit was wife of Roger Bigod Earl of Norfolk [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 1/6/2000]
identity of wife of Roger Bigod is known only by three charters, "[Roger
Bigod, Earl of Norfolk] granted tithes of his demesne of Halvergate to
Carow Priory for the sould of his father Earl Hugh and his mother the
Countess Juliane, his wife the Countess Ida, and his son William, the 1st
witness being his son Ralph." [Ref: Reed CountessIda p141]
not likely that Ida (wife of Roger BIGOD) was dau of Hamelin Plantagenet if
same as Ida (mother of William Longspee by Henry II). That would make her
mistress to her uncle. see message by taf under William Longspee [Ref: Todd
Farmerie SGM 2/6/1997]
list of prisoners captured at the battle of Bouvines, Flanders, on 27 Jul
1214, includes Ralph Bigod, described as a brother of the earl of
Salisbury "Radulfus Bigot, frater comitis Salesbir[iensis]" [Ref: Phair
Longespee p279, Ray Phair SGM 7/3/2002-170616]
Doug, May I remind you that it was I who put forward the hypothesis that
Countess Ida was a Toeni back when you believed she was Ada de Chaumont?
It was only after the Chaumont hypothesis was realized to be impossible
that you jumped on the Toeni bandwagon. Now you seem to have made it another
one of your 'discoveries' (entirely ignoring all the posts you had made
teasing us that you knew her identity with certitude).
As it is, other than the given name Ida appearing in both families, and the
social status being acceptable, all other connections to date are entirely
circumstantial. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 12/31/2002-195148]
On May 22 Chris Phillips posted a notice about Marc Morris's new book, "The
Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the Thirteenth Century" (Boydell, 2005). The book is
now available and does provide sources to document that Ida, countess of
Norfolk, wife of Roger Bigod I, and mother of William Longespee, was Ida de
Tosny. On page 2 Morris says "Around Christmas 1181, at the start of his
(Roger's) long road to (political) recovery, Roger married Ida de Tosny, a
royal ward." The records that he cites concern the manors of Acle, Halvergate,
and South Walsham, which the king had confiscated after the death of Hugh
Bigod I, and which went to Roger at the time of his marriage. Morris cites the
following publications: "Rotuli Hundredorum (2 vols.), Record Commission,
1812-18, I, 504 (in which she is named as Ide le Tauny), 537 (in which she is
named as Ida de Thoney); Pipe Rolls for Henry II, 23rd year, 125, 137; 24th
year, 26-7; 28th year, 64. [Ref: Linda Jack SGM 9/3/2005-170526]
From Morris's book, page 2:
"They were also a family worth marrying into. Around Christmas 1181, at the
start of his long road to recovery, Roger had just married Ida de Tosny, a
royal ward.[8] In the years that followed, the couple had at least eight
children - a resources which they used to good effect."
[8] "In 1275, jurors in Norfolk stated that when Henry II gave Ida to
Roger, he also gave him the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham. The
king had confiscated these manors after the death of Hugh I Bigod. At
Michaelmas 1182, however, Roger had been holding them for three-quarters of
the year. Rot. Hund., i, 504, 537; PR 23 Henry II, pp. 125, 137; PR 24 Henry
II, pp. 26-7; PR 28 Henry II, p. 64."
On page 3, he says that when their son Hugh II Bigod died shortly before 18
February 1225, "he was only in his early forties, and his death looks to have
been sudden...." Calculating back from 1225, early 40s would place his birth
about 1182-4. [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 9/5/2005-055004]
I think it should be pointed out that Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk,
rebelled against Henry II in 1174 (CP 9:584-5: "On 24 July Henry encamped at
Sileham, and next day Hugh surrendered and did homage...in 1176 the King
destroyed Hugh's castles of Framlingham and Bungay, Hugh himself seems to have
remained quiescent until his death in the following year.), so suffered the
consequences of failure (he died in 1177), and it was not until 1189 that his
son Roger was restored as Earl of Norfolk in 1189.
Marc Morris apparently concludes that the marriage of the royal ward Ida to
one of the barons, Roger Bigod, about Christmas 1181 because the Pipe Roll at
Michaelmas 1182 said he was holding the manors then for three-quarters of the
year. It was the jurors of the Hundred Rolls who testified in 1275 (about 100
years after the fact) that Henry II gave Ida to Roger with the manors of Acle,
Halvergate and South Walsham. Actually, there is no clear indication that Ida
was in wardship, but that her marriage was definitely in the King's gift. Also
remember that it was not until the Statute of Westminster I (1275) that abuses
of keeping wardships of females and their marriages was curtailed. Therefore
at this relatively early stage in English legal history we cannot be certain
there is any actual indication that Ida was a minor when given in marriage by
Henry to his baron Roger. This means that if Ida were a little older, she
could have been a younger child of Ida of Hainault, born near the end of her
child bearing years, or a granddaughter, daughter of Margaret de Beaumont (Ray
Phair discovered that the marriage date given in CP for her was in error, and
this she could still chronologically be mother of Ida, in spite of her son and
heir being a 'little boy' in 1162). [Ref: Paul Reed SGM 9/5/2005-055004]
I agree that the chronology would support Ida being either (A) a somewhat
late-born daughter of Roger de Tosny and Ida of Hainaut [married before 9
August 1138], or (B) an older daughter of the marriage of their son Ralph to
Margaret de Beaumont.
I am strongly inclined to placing her as a daughter of the latter couple,
for two reasons:
1) Onomastics (admittedly weak), on the basis of Roger le Bigod and Ida de
Tony having a daughter Margaret (m. William de Hastings of Aston Flamville,
co. Leics.). All the names of the other issue of the marriage have an
ascertainable Bigod or Tony source via either marriage - with the exception of
Mary [source unknown, but possibly religious only] - but Margaret would appear
to be the namesake of Margaret de Beaumont, who I think was her maternal
grandmother.
2) Chronology also points in this direction. Roger le Bigod and Ida de Tony
had 8 known children, which would have likely occurred over a period of say 12
to 16 years. * One might argue for a period of 6 to 8 years as possible, but
this seems extreme, assuming possible multiple births, no stillbirths, and
relatively rapid consecutive pregnancies *. Roger and Ida are held to have
been married in late 1181, so we might expect the first birth to have occurred
in later 1182. If Ida is then conjecutured to have stopped giving birth ca.
1194-1198, she was probably born no earlier than say 1150-1155. She is usually
held to have been born ca. 1155-1160 given the estimated birth of William
Longespee ca. 1175. Ralph de Tony and Margaret de Beaumont were married before
1155, according to what I recall from Paul Reed and Ray Phair.
The foregoing is still not conclusive, but I think provides a greater
likelihood (not certainty) for Ida being a daughter of Ralph de Tony and
Margaret de Beaumont. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 10/8/2007-073752]
Pedigree of Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Hugh De CALVACAMP
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Ralph I De TOENI
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Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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Roger I De TOENI
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Ralph III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Godehildie
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Ralph IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Amauri I
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William Count Of Hainault
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Amauri III De MONTFORT
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(Unk) Heiress Of Montfort And Epernon
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Simon I De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort L'Amau
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Guilaume De Gommetz
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Bertrade De GOMMETZ
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Alberade
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Isabel De MONTFORT
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Renard Lord Of Broyes, Beaufort, And Pithiviers
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Sir Isembard Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
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Hugues I Bardoul Lord Of Broyes And Beaufort
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Isabel Of Broyes
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Alvidis
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Roger III De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Spratlingus
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Ulsius
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Beorn
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Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
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Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
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Waltheof Earl Of Northumberland
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Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
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Ealdred Of Bernicia
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Ealdhun Bishop Of Durham
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Ecfrida
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Aelflaed
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Alice Of Northumberland
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Arnulf Count Of Boulogne
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Baldwin Count Of Boulogne
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Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
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Arnulf Count Of Holland And Ghent
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Adela Of Holland
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Luitgard Of Luxembourg
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Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
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Regnier III Count Of Hainaut
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Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
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Adele Of Louvain
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Maud Of Louvain
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Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Adelheid Of Ardennes
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Judith Of Lens
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Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
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Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
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Gunnora
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Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
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Conan I Duke Of Brittany
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Judith Of Brittany
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Ermengarde Of Anjou
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Adelaide Of Normandy
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Fulbert Of Falaise
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Herleve Of Falaise
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Duxia
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Ralph V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
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Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
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Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
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Rosela Of Italy
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Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
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Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
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Ogive Of Luxembourg
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Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
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Baldwin VI De MONS, Count Of Flanders
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Hugh Capet King Of France
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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Adelaide Of Poitou
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Adelaide Of France
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William I Count Of Aries And Provence
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Constance Of Provence
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Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
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Baldwin II Count Of Hainault
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Hugh III Count Of Eqisheim
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Hugh IV Of Egisheim, Count Of The Lower Alsace
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Gerhard II Count Of Egisheim
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Louis Count Of Dagsburg
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Heilwig Of Dagsburg
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Richilde Countess Of Hainault
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Berta
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Baldwin III Count Of Hainault
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Regnier III Count Of Hainaut
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Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
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Adele Of Louvain
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Lambert II The Belted Count Of Louvain
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Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Adelheid Of Ardennes
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Henry II Of Brabant, Count Of Lorraine
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Godfrey Count Of Verdun
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Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
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Matilda Of Saxony
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Oda Of Lorraine
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Conrad III Of Swabia, Count Of Ortenau
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Ita
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Beatrix
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Ida Of Louvain
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Dietrich Bishop Of Metz
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Frethehard Count In Teisterbant
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Eberhard Of Betuew And Teisterbant
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Adelaide Of Betuew
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Ida (Gertrude) Of Hainault
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(Unk)
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Gerard Flameus Count Of Teirterbant
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Dietrich Flameus Count In The Velux
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Gerald I Count Of Guelders And Wassenberg
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Yolande Of Guelders
Ida Countess Of Norfolk
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Bernard The Dane
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Torf The Rich
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(Unk) De Sprote
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Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
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Anslech De Briquebec
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Etemberga De Briquebec
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Humphrey De Vieilles
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(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
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Aveline
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Roger De Beaumont
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Aubreye De La Haie
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Galeran I Count Of Meulen
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Galeran II Count Of Meulen
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Leigardis Countess Of Meulen
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Hugo I Count Of Meulen
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Waleran Count Of Meulan
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Walter I Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
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Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
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Adele Of Anjou
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Oda Of Valois
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Adele
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Adelise Of Meulan
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Ode
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of The Franks, Count Of Paris
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Hugh Capet King Of France
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Hedwig Of Saxony
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Robert II The Pious King Of France
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William I Count Of Poitou, Duke Of Aquitaine
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Adelaide Of Poitou
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Gerloc Of Normandy
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Henry I King Of France
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Boso II Count Of Provence
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William I Count Of Aries And Provence
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Constance
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Constance Of Provence
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Fulk II The Good Count Of Anjou
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Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
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Gerberga Of Nevers
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
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Svatislav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
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Saint Vladimir Grand Prince Of Kiev
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Predslawa
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Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
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Rognald Prince Of Polotzk
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Rogneide Of Polotzk
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Anne Of Kiev
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Erik SEGERSALL, King Of Sweden
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Olaf III SKOTKONUNG, King Of Sweden
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Sigrid STORRADA
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Ingegard
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Astrid
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Albert I The Pious Count Of Vermandois
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Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
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Gerberga Of Lorraine
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Eudes Count Of Vermandois
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Reinald Count Of Bar
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Ermengarde Of Bar
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Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
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Parvie
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Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
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Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
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Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
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Adele
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Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
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Hildouin Count Of Bretemil
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Adelaide Of Bretemil
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Emeline
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Adela De Valois
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Nocher II Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
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Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
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Aelis
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Adela
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Margaret De BEAUMONT
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Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
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Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
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Getha
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Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
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(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
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Herfast
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Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
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William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
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Asperlang
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Ralph Count Of Ivry
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Espriota
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Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
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Albereda
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Emma Fitz Osbern
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Ralph I De TOENI
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Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
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Roger I De TOENI
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Adelise De TONI
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Godehildie
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Amicia De Gael
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