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• Name: Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
• Sex: M
• Birth: Abt 1022 in Saint-Germain-De-Montgomery, Calvados, Arr Lisieux, Cant Livarot ^b
• Death: 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury ^d
• Burial: Shrewsbury Abbey ^u


Parents:

• Father:
  
• Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery Birth: Abt 1000 Death: 7 Feb Before 1050
Mother:

• Emma Death: After 1068

Family:
Marriage:

• Mabel De Belesme on Abt 1051 .^m1
  
• Mabel De Belesme Death: 2 Dec 1079 in Bures-Sur-Dives

Children:

1. Roger De Montgomery Birth: 1 Death: Before 1062
2. Robert II De Belesme, Count Of Alencon Birth: Abt 1052 Death: 8 May After 1130 in Wareham Castle
3. Hugh De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury Birth: Abt 1053 Death: Abt 31 Jul 1098
4. Roger Le POITEVIN, Count Of La Marche Birth: 4 Death: 1123
5. Philip De Montgomery Death: 1099
6. Arnulph De MONTGOMERY
7. Emma De Montgomery, Abbess Of Almeneches Birth: 1
8. Sybil De Montgomery Birth: 4 Death: After 1140
9. Maud De Montgomery Birth: Abt 1049 Death: 21 Sep 1082
10. Matilda De Montgomery Birth: 3
11. William De MONTGOMERY

Marriage:

• Adelaide Of Breteuil on After 1082 .^m2
  
• Adelaide Of Breteuil

Children:

1. Everard De Montgomery

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

date:

before 1030 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]

first son [Ref: SP III p421],

place:

[Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399],

parents:

[Ref: Farmerie Gunnor, Thompson Montgomerys p259],

father:

[Ref: CP XI p683(d), Keats-Rohan DP p399, SP III p421],

grandparents:

Hugh de Montgomery & Joscelin [Ref: Keats-Rohan RobertTorigny p24]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

parents:

Hugh de Montgomery (#10116) & Joscelin (#13666), Hugh son of Roger I de Montgomery [Ref: ES III.4 #637]

Roger de Montgomery & Joscelin (#13666) [Ref: CP XI p682, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Wagner PedigreeProgress #46, White Gunnor p64]

Sources for death Information

date:

[Ref: CP I p233, CP XI p687, Keats-Rohan DP p399, Moriarty Plantagenet p11, Moriarty Plantagenet p12, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Watney WALLOP #5, Watney WALLOP #696]

1094 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p1, Wagner PedigreeProgress #46, Weis AR7 #1885]

27 Jul 1094-95 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p64]

27.VII 1091/95 [Ref: ES III.4 #636]

27.VII 1094/95 [Ref: ES III.4 #637, ES III.4 #659],

place:

[Ref: CP XI p687, Keats-Rohan DP p399]

Sources for burial Information

place:

[Ref: CP XI p687]

Sources with Information about marriage to Mabel De Belesme

date:

1048 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p11, Moriarty Plantagenet p44]

1050-54 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p64]

abt 1048 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

before 1050 [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p309]

between 1050 and 1054 [Ref: CP XI p686]

first marriage of Roger [Ref: CP I p230, Thompson Montgomerys p259]

um X 1055 [Ref: ES III.4 #636, ES III.4 #637],

names:

[Ref: CP XI p683(d), Farmerie Gunnor, Moriarty Plantagenet p12, Watney WALLOP #5],

child:

[Ref: CP I p233, CP III p428 (with corr in XIV p207), CP XI p686, CP XI p687(d), CP XI p688(a), CP XI p688, CP XI p689, Keats-Rohan DD p309, Keats-Rohan DD p598, Keats-Rohan DP p372, Keats-Rohan DP p399, Keats-Rohan DP p409, Moriarty Plantagenet p45, Paget HRHCharles p64, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p160, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p490, Thompson Montgomerys p259, Watney WALLOP #696, Weis AR7 #185, White Gunnor p64]

Sources with Information about marriage to Adelaide Of Breteuil

date:

nach 1082 [Ref: ES III.4 #636, ES III.4 #637, ES III.4 #659]

second marriage of Roger [Ref: CP XI p687, Keats-Rohan DD p244, Keats-Rohan DP p399, Thompson Montgomerys p259],

child:

[Ref: CP XI p687(d), Keats-Rohan DD p244, Keats-Rohan DD p877, Keats-Rohan DP p399, Thompson Montgomerys p259]

Research Notes:
1st Earl of Shrewsbury, of Earldom cr 1074 [Ref: CP XI p683]
Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: CP I p230, CP III p428, CP V p683, CP V p685, CP V p736f, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Paget HRHCharles p61, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p86, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p160, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p490, Weis AR7 #185]
Earl of Shropshire or Salop [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p266, Watney WALLOP #696]
1st Earl of Arundel, of Earldom cr 1067 [Ref: CP I p230]
Earl of Arundel [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p44]
Earl of Arundel or Earl of Chichester [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]
called Earl of Montgomery [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]
Seigneur of Montgomery [Ref: CP XI p683, Moriarty Plantagenet p44]
Vicomte of the Heismois [Ref: CP XI p683, Moriarty Plantagenet p44]
Lord of Alencon [Ref: CP I p230]
Seigneur de Bellesme et d'Alencon [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]
Regent of Normandy and England [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p44]
1st Baron of Arundel [Ref: Sanders Baronies p2]

in right of first wife Mabel de Belleme, was Lord of Alencon, Seez, etc, in Normandy [Ref: CP I p230]

ancestor of Montgomery family [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 11/24/2002-184936]

1048: accompanied Duke William on his expedition against Domfront and Alencon [Ref: CP XI p683, Keats-Rohan DP p399]

abt 1055: confirmed a grant of land by Beatrice de Vascoeuil-Warenne, indicating that he was a grandson of a niece of Gunnor [Ref: Keats-Rohan RobertTorigny p24]

1066: supplied ships for the Norman invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition; he remained behind to assist the duchess Matilda in ruling Normandy in William's absence [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

1066: companion of William the Conqueror, appointed governor of Normandy [Ref: SP III p421]

1066: was with the Duke while preparations were in progress for the invasion of England, but did not accompany the expedition [Ref: CP XI p683]

Dec 1067: accompanied the King to England and thereupon received a grant of Arundel and Chichester [Ref: CP XI p683]

Dec 1067: having remained as Regent in Normandy during the invasion of England, came for the first time with King William, and at the Christiam festival was cr an Earl, receiving about one third of the county of Sussex, including the city of Chichester and the Castle of Arundel. By this grant he may be considered to have become Earl of Arundel [Ref: CP I p231]

granted Arundel by William the Conqueror [Ref: Sanders Baronies p1]

frequently styled as Earl of Arundel, though occasionally as Earl of Chichester [Ref: CP I p232]

at some date between 1 and 24 Dec 1067: cr Earl of Shropshire or Shrewsbury [Ref: CP XI p685 (with corr in XIV p580)]

1067: joined William in England, and rapidly began the accumulation of one of the largest estates in Domesday Book [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

1068: received, with other great fiefs, the earldom or Shrewsbury [Ref: SP III p421]

1070: on the dismemberment of Mercia, another Earldom was conferred on him, by the grant of nearly the whole of Shropshire, together with the Castles of Shrewsbury and Montgomery, and the Lordship of the West Marches. He was thenceforth generally known as Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: CP I p232]

1071: became Earl of Shropshire [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

founded the abbey of Saint-Martin de Sees, Almenesches, and Shrewsbury [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

1086: 'Comtes Rogerus' at Domesday [Ref: Watney WALLOP #696]

1086: identified as 'Comtes Rogerus' in Domesday, though no local designation is attributed to him [Ref: CP I p233]

1086: holding Cubley, Shelston, Derbyshire, and four hides in Ecton, Northamptonshire of Henry de Ferrers [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 11/24/2002-184936]

became a monk of Shrewsbury shortly before his death [Ref: Keats-Rohan DP p399]

We have three ancient sources which address the parentage of Roger de Montgomery (husband of Mabel). And they conflict with each other. Robert de Torigny wrote, in his c.1139 redaction of William de Jumieges' Gesta Normannorum Ducum, that Roger was son of Hugh de Montgomery by his wife Josceline, daughter of Wevia. A slightly earlier source is a letter written by a Norman clergyman (whose name escapes me) addressing a genealogical impediment to the marriage of one of Henry I's illegitimate sons to a Montgomery daughter. It provides very similar information, with one key difference - that Josceline, wife of Hugh and mother of Roger, is given as daughter of Senfria. Finally, there is a contemporary donation in which Roger specifically names his father as Roger. That is the evidence, and all the rest is derived one way or another from this evidence.
1) who was Josceline's mother. Most sources are split between accepting Wevia and Senfria, based on whether they feel the historian or the clergyman is more reliable. Thompson pointed out however that the Mongomerys had extensive properties, most probably deriving from this marriage, and this suggsts that Josceline was a substantial heiress. Wevia had at least two sons, and perhaps several daughters, while Senfria is not known to have had any sons, so she concluded that Josceline was more likely daughter of the latter.
2) what is the parentage of Roger. Past recostructions have been split in either proclaiming the charter or the combined testimony of historian and priest erroneous regarding the name of the person involved. Thus Roger is shown as either son of Hugh and Josceline (rejecting the charter) or of Roger and Josceline (altering the testimony of the historian and clergyman). The biggest problem with both of these reconstructions is the chronology, for Roger de Montgomery was a contemporary (perhaps even younger contemporary) of William the Conqueror, yet these descents place him in the generation before William, in spite of having an additional female in the line, which normally shortens the average generation time. This it would appear that the descent is missing a generation. (Note that Robert de Torigny probably dropped a generation at two other places (Warenne and Giffard) where there were two successive men of the same name.) This allows for a solution which is more in line with all three sources as well as chronology. Specifically, the Roger de Montgomery who was son of Hugh and Josceline was the Roger, father of Roger named in the contemporary grant, and not the Conqueror's comanion himself. This novel (at the time) suggestion does a good job of harmonizing the available sources, and from my perspective, must take precidence over prior reconstructions. [Ref: Todd Farmerie SGM 8/16/1999]

there is no indication whether descent (of the Montgomery family) followed male or female succession [Ref: Rosie Bevan SGM 11/24/2002-184936]



Pedigree of Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
          /-----Hugh De Montgomery
 /-----Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery
|         \-----Josceline
|                 |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|                  \-----Senfrie
Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
 \-----Emma



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