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Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. (Unk Dau)
  2. Baldwin V Count Of Flanders Birth: 1012 Death: 1 Sep 1067 in Lille

Bibliography
  1. Baldwin, Stewart, Parentage of Otgiva of Luxemburg, TAG v83 (2008) pp116-21. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-the/image/. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Baldwin Otgiva p[0-9]*].
  2. Brandenburg, Erich, Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen, Faksimile-Nachdruck von 1935 (Facsimile reproduction of 1935), mit Korrekturen und Erganzungen versehen von (with corrections and additions provided by) Manfred Dreiss und Lupold v. Lehsten. Neustadt an der Aisch:Verlag Degener, 1995. NYPL ATH (Charlemagne) 96-4768. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p[0-9]*].
  3. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. II: Die Ausserdeutschen Staaten Die Regierenden Hauser der Ubrigen Staaten Europas. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1984. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES II #[0-9]*].
  4. Schwennicke, Detlev, ed., Europaische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der europaischen Staaten, New Series. VI: Familien des Alten Lotharingien I. Marburg: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, 1978. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: ES VI #[0-9]*].
  5. The Henry Project: The Ancestors of King Henry II of England, An eperiment in a cooperative online database for scholarly medieval genealogy. Contributors and Editors: Stewart Baldwin, Todd Farmerie, Peter Stewart. Available at https://fasg.org/projects/henryproject/ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: HenryII .*].
  6. Moriarty, G Andrews, Plantagenet Ancestry of King Edward III And Queen Philippa. Salt Lake: Mormon Pioneer Genealogical Society, 1985. LDS Film#0441438. NYPL ARF-86-2555. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/007905814?cat=66443. Also available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/66443. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p[0-9]*].
  7. Paget, Gerald, The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. London: Charles Skilton Ltd, 1977. Nypl ARF+ 78-835. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p[0-9]*].
  8. Phair, Raymond, Gilbert de Gant. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 7/12/1999. Subject: Gilbert de Gant. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/iq4yL0Yk4S8/m/-yEogAnkh7MJ. Author address: rphair at CapAccess dot org. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Raymond Phair SGM 7/12/1999].
  9. Redlich, Marcellus Donald R Von, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants. Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, 1941. M-LH 929.7 PED v1. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213795. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p[0-9()]*].
  10. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
  11. Sherman, Richard M, Continental Origins of the Ghent Family, Nottingham Medieval Studies, 1978, pp23-35. Available (for a fee) at https://www.brepolsonline.net/doi/epdf/10.1484/J.NMS.3.82. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sherman Ghent p[0-9]*].
  12. Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].
  13. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 995 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p7, Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Weis AR7 #162]
say 980x995 [Ref: HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007],
parents:
[Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Moriarty Plantagenet p248, Paget HRHCharles p54, Weis AR7 #162]
Friedrich Gf v Luxemburg & dau Heribert Gf im Kinziggau [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p7],
father:
[Ref: Baldwin Otgiva p116, Brandenburg 1995 p8, ES II #5, Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Paget HRHCharles p168, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Sherman Ghent p26, Watney WALLOP #408, Watney WALLOP #634]
Frederic (d.1019) or Giselbert (d.1004) both sons of Sigefroid [Ref: HenryII frede000 4/5/2007, HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007],
grandfather:
Sigefroid of Luxemburg [Ref: HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
father:
Giselbert (#22656) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p504]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p7, Brandenburg 1995 p8, ES II #5, ES VI #128, HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, HenryII baldw005 10/12/2006, HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007, Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Paget HRHCharles p168, Paget HRHCharles p54, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496, Weis AR7 #162]
1030 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #408, Watney WALLOP #634]
21 Feb 1029/30 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p14]
21 Mar 1030 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p248]
Sources with Information about marriage to Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
date:
1000-10 [Ref: Moriarty Plantagenet p248]
1012 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p168, Paget HRHCharles p54]
abt 1012 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p8, Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Moriarty Plantagenet p22, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Weis AR7 #162]
before 1015 [Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p7]
first marriage of Baldwin [Ref: HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496]
um 1005 [Ref: ES VI #128]
um 1012 [Ref: ES II #5],
names:
[Ref: HenryII arnul000 11/25/2007, HenryII frede000 4/5/2007, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p504, Watney WALLOP #634],
child:
[Ref: Brandenburg 1995 p9, ES II #5, HenryII baldw004 6/2/2008, HenryII baldw005 10/12/2006, HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007, Moriarty Plantagenet p14, Moriarty Plantagenet p15, Paget HRHCharles p168, Paget HRHCharles p54, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p183, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p496, Sherman Ghent p26, Watney WALLOP #408, Weis AR7 #162]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
child:
Judith of Flanders (#11477), wife of Welf Duke of Bavaria and Tostig Earl of Northumbria [Ref: Redlich CharlemagneDesc p271, Watney WALLOP #408]
Research Notes:
21 Feb 1030: burial mentioned in the annals of St Peter [Ref: Raymond Phair SGM 7/12/1999]

A quick comparison of most modern sources with the medieval sources regarding Otgive's parentage will reveal that the medieval sources give Giselbert as the name of her father, whereas the modern sources almost invariably give the name as Frederic. This anomaly obviously requires some discussion, especially since it is not clear that modern scholarship has been right on this matter. The logic behind making Otgive a daughter of count Frederic (d. 1019), advocate of Stavelot-Malmedy (but often called "of Luxemburg" in modern secondary sources), and son of Sigefroid of Luxemburg, is clear enough. Otgive is usually identified in the medieval sources as a daughter of count Gislebert of Luxemburg, and the only man of that name who can be found on the usual lists of "counts of Luxemburg" is the Giselbert who died in 1056x9, son of the above Frederic. Even in the extremely unlikely case that Otgive was born as late as 1000, attempting to make her a daughter of count Giselbert of Luxemburg (d. 1056x9) is not plausible, as the childbearing years of Giselbert's grandmother Hedwig seem to have been roughly ca. 955 to ca. 980. Although it may be possible to provide hypothetical birthdates toward this end which could not be directly ruled out, it would still result in an improbably tight chronology for several consecutive generations. Thus, this Giselbert does not make a chronologically plausible father for Otgive, resulting in the conclusion that the medieval sources are in some way flawed. Here, Flandria Generosa (ca. 1164) appears to come to the rescue, giving the same parentage, but then adding the name of five brothers, namely bishop Adalbero of Metz, duke Frederic of Lorraine, duke Henry of Bavaria, count Giselbertade Salinis [recte Salm], and Theoderic of Luxemburg, all known to be sons of count Frederic. Thus, with Otgive apparently being named as the sister of several individuals known to be sons of Frederic, we have the reason that modern scholars have generally place Otgive as a daughter of Frederic, which we shall call the "standard scenario" below.
However, this conclusion uses a source which is both late and at least partly erroneous (Otgive was not both a daughter of a count Giselbert and a sister of Frederic's sons), and it is not at all clear that the count Giselbert who is called Otgive's father in the earliest sources was the same person as the count who died in 1056x9.
Another weakness of the standard scenario is that the title "count of Luxemburg" is an anachronism for the first half of the eleventh century and earlier [see Twellenkamp (1991)], so that the statement by Lambert of Saint-Omer is best explained as an addition by him. Thus, it is important to ask if there are any other counts Giselbert who would make a plausible candidate for the count Giselbert who appears as father of Otgive in Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana, and is qualified as count of Luxemburg in an apparent addition of the early twelfth century. Two Giselberts appear in a charter of duke Frederic I of Upper Lorraine for 959 [Cart. Gorze, 200 (#108)], one of whom was a brother of Sigefroid, but neither appears after the 960's, and they make very unlikley candidates. However, it is more difficult to rule out Sigefroid's son Giselbert, who appears as count of Vaudrevange/Wallerfangen in 996, and died in Pavia in 1004 while serving in Italy with his brother-in-law, the emperor Heinrich II. The region covered by the countship of Wallerfangen (presumably named after Wallerfagen in Saargau) is not clear, but appears to have included the villages of Mutfort and Dalheim, both very near Luxemburg [Wampach (1935), 226 (#171), 292 (#207)]. Thus, not only is Giselbert in the right generation, but there is a good case that an author of the early twelfth century, writing in the time just after the countship of Luxemburg emerged as a territorial lordship, would have regarded him as a count of Luxemburg. Although Giselbert is called "iuvenis" at the time of his death [Thietmar, Chron., vi, 6, MGH SS 3: 806; Adelbold, Vita Henrici Imp., c. 39, MGH SS 4: 693], that term is perfectly consistent with a man in his thirties, and he was evidently an adult when he appears as count of Wallerfangen in 996. Arguments of silence, such as the fact that Giselbert is not otherwise known to have married or had descendants [see, e.g., Hirsch (1862) 1: 538 n. 8 (Excurs XI)], do not make convincing negative evidence in an age when documentation is as thin as it is here. The following items summarize the main points for or against the two candidates.
For Giselbert as the father:
The earliest account, Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana, which makes Otgive a daughter of an otherwise unidentified count Giselbert, while not strictly comtemporary, was almost certainly written within living memory of Otgive.
The suggestion that the author (or later, Lambert of Saint-Omer) was referring to the count who died in 956x9 as the father of Otgive is undermined by the existence of another candidate, so that there is no a priori reason for regarding the statement of Genealogia comitum Flandriae Bertiniana as being false.
Giselbert of Wallerfangen's countship contained villages in the vicinity of Luxemburg, making it plausible that a twelfth century author might call him count of Luxemburg.
The source which identifies Otgive as a sister of men known to be sons of Frederic is late and contradictory.
For Frederic as the father:
Flandria Generosa identifies Otgive as a sister of five men who are known to be sons of Frederic.
Otgive was clearly not the daughter of the Giselbert of Luxemburg who died in 956x9.
Frederic is known to have had a wife and children, whereas Giselbert of Wallerfangen is not known to have had a wife and children.
While there seems to be a good case for making Otgive a daughter of Giselbert rather than of Frederic, the case does not seem strong enough to set aside the "standard scenario" definitively. Thus, we leave the question of Otgive's parentage as unsettled between the two alternatives. It is interesting to note that Giselbert's candidacy as a possible father of Otgive has been widely overlooked (I am aware only of Hirsch's abrupt dismissal of the possibility; see above). Certainly, those who wish to argue a definitive case for Frederic as Otgive's father ought to provide strong reasons for rejecting Giselbert's candidacy. [Ref: HenryII otgiv000 4/5/2007]



Pedigree of Ogive Of Luxembourg
                            /-----(Unk)
                   /-----Wigeric Count in Bidgau
          /-----Siegfried Count Of Luxemburg
         |         \-----Cunegunde
         |                 |                                    /-----Charlemagne King Of France
         |                 |                           /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
         |                 |                          |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
         |                 |                  /-----Charles II The Bald King Of Franks, Emperor
         |                 |                 |        |         /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
         |                 |                 |         \-----Judith Of Bavaria
         |                 |                 |                  \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
         |                 |         /-----Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Hadrian Lord In The Worms
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Eudes Count Of Orleans
         |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Waldast
         |                 |        |         \-----Ermentrude Of Orleans
         |                 |        |                 |         /-----Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
         |                 |        |                  \-----Engeltrude
         |                 |        |                           \-----Grimihild
         |                  \-----Ermentrude Of France
         |                          |                           /-----Ulrich I Count In The Orgengau
         |                          |                  /-----Wulfhard
         |                          |         /-----Adalhard Count Of Paris
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Begue Count Of Paris
         |                          |        |         \-----Susanna
         |                          |        |                  \-----Aupals
         |                           \-----Adelaide
 /-----Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
|        |                           /-----Eberhard III Count In Nordgau
|        |                  /-----Hugh I Count In Abracian Nordgau
|        |         /-----Ebergard Count In The Nordgau, Count Of Alsace
|        |        |         \-----Hildegarde
|         \-----Hedwig Of Nordgau
|                  \-----Bertha
Ogive Of Luxembourg
|                                                               /-----Hadrian Lord In The Worms
|                                                      /-----Eudes Count Of Orleans
|                                                     |         \-----Waldast
|                                             /-----Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
|                                            |        |         /-----Leuthard Count Of Fezenac
|                                            |         \-----Engeltrude
|                                            |                  \-----Grimihild
|                                    /-----Eudes Count In Lahngau
|                                   |        |         /-----Hunroch Count of Ternois
|                                   |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
|                                   |                 |         /-----Begue Count Of Paris
|                                   |                  \-----Engeltron Of Paris
|                                   |                           \-----Aupals
|                           /-----Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
|                          |        |                           /-----Ruthardus Duke Of Bavaria
|                          |        |                  /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
|                          |        |         /-----Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Saxon
|                          |        |        |         \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
|                          |         \-----Judith
|                          |                 |                  /-----Luitfriede II Count Of Alsace
|                          |                 |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Hiltrude
|                          |                  \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
|                          |                           \-----Ava
|                  /-----Udo Count In The Wetterau
|                 |         \-----Ita
|         /-----Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
|        |        |                                             /-----Charlemagne King Of France
|        |        |                                    /-----Karlman (Pepin) King Of Italy And Bavaria
|        |        |                                   |         \-----Hildegarde Of Swabia, Countess Of Vinzgau
|        |        |                           /-----Bernard King Of Italy
|        |        |                          |        |         /-----Bernard Duke, Abbot Of Saint Quentin
|        |        |                          |         \-----Therres
|        |        |                          |                  \-----(Unk Dau) Of Laon
|        |        |                  /-----Pepin Count Of Senlis, Peronne, & St. Quentin
|        |        |                 |        |                  /-----Saint William Count Of Auton, Marquis Of Septimania
|        |        |                 |        |         /-----Caribert
|        |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Kunigunde
|        |        |                 |         \-----Cunigunde
|        |        |         /-----Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Niebelung II Count Of Hesbaye
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Niebelung III Count Of Burgundy
|        |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Bertha
|        |        |        |        |         /-----Theoderic Count Of Vermandois
|        |        |        |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Vermandois
|        |         \-----Cunegundis Of Vermandois
|        |                 |         /-----Guerra I Count Of Morvois
|        |                  \-----Beatrice Of Morvois
|        |                           \-----Eve Of Roussillon
 \-----Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
         |                                                      /-----Eudes Count Of Orleans
         |                                             /-----Gebhard Count In The Nieder-Lahngau
         |                                            |         \-----Engeltrude
         |                                    /-----Eudes Count In Lahngau
         |                                   |        |         /-----Hunroch Count of Ternois
         |                                   |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Friuli
         |                                   |                  \-----Engeltron Of Paris
         |                           /-----Eberhard I Count In Ortenau
         |                          |        |                  /-----Guelph Count Of Andech And Bavaria
         |                          |        |         /-----Conrad I Of Burgandy, Count Of Auxerra
         |                          |        |        |         \-----Edith (Heilwig) Of Saxony, Abbess Of Chelles
         |                          |         \-----Judith
         |                          |                 |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
         |                          |                  \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
         |                          |                           \-----Ava
         |                  /-----Eberhard II Count In Bonngau
         |                 |        |         /-----Walaho
         |                 |         \-----Wiltrud
         |                 |                 |                  /-----Guiguin Rupert III Count In Wormgau
         |                 |                 |         /-----Rupert IV The Strong Count Of Tours
         |                 |                 |        |         \-----Wialdruth
         |                 |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
         |                 |                          |         /-----Hugh le Mefiant Count Of Tours
         |                 |                           \-----Aelis Of Tours And Alsace
         |                 |                                    \-----Ava
         |         /-----Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
         |        |         \-----Gisela
          \-----Irmentrude
                  |                           /-----(Unk)
                  |                  /-----Gerhard Count In Metzgau
                  |         /-----Godfrey Duke Of Lorraine, Count Palatine
                  |        |        |                           /-----Bruno Count In Saxony
                  |        |        |                  /-----Ludolph Duke Of Saxony
                  |        |        |                 |         \-----Oda
                  |        |        |         /-----Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----Billung Count
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Oda
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Aeda
                  |        |         \-----Udo Of Saxony
                  |        |                 |                  /-----Poppo I Count of Grabfeld
                  |        |                 |         /-----Heinrich Of Thuringia, King Of Austriasia
                  |        |                  \-----Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich
                  |        |                          |         /-----Eberhard Margrave Of Friuli
                  |        |                           \-----Ingeltrud Of Friuli
                  |        |                                    \-----Gisele
                   \-----Gerberga
                           |                                    /-----Louis I The Fair Emperor Of The West
                           |                           /-----Charles II The Bald King Of Franks, Emperor
                           |                          |         \-----Judith Of Bavaria
                           |                  /-----Louis II The Stammerer King Of France
                           |                 |        |         /-----Eudes Count Of Orleans
                           |                 |         \-----Ermentrude Of Orleans
                           |                 |                  \-----Engeltrude
                           |         /-----Charles III The Simple King Of Franks
                           |        |        |                  /-----Wulfhard
                           |        |        |         /-----Adalhard Count Of Paris
                           |        |        |        |         \-----Susanna
                           |        |         \-----Adelaide
                            \-----Ermentrude Of France
                                    |                           /-----Walbert Count In The Therwitugas
                                    |                  /-----(Unk)
                                    |                 |         \-----Altberg
                                    |         /-----Dietrich Count in Westfalen
                                    |        |        |         /-----Eckbert The Loyal Count In Dreini And Ittergaus
                                    |        |         \-----Matilda
                                    |        |                  \-----Ida
                                     \-----Frederuna
                                              \-----Ragenhilda



Descendants of Ogive Of Luxembourg
1. Ogive Of Luxembourg m. Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
m. Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders father: Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders mother: Rosela Of Italy

2nd generation

2. (Unk Dau) m. Henry I Count Of Louvain
m. Henry I Count Of Louvain father: Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain mother: Gerberga Of Lorraine
3. Baldwin V Count Of Flanders m. Adelaide Of France
m. Adelaide Of France father: Robert II The Pious King Of France mother: Constance Of Provence

3rd generation

8. Baldwin VI De MONS, Count Of Flanders m. Richilde Countess Of Hainault
m. Richilde Countess Of Hainault father: Gerhard II Count Of Egisheim mother: Berta
9. Maud Of Flanders m. William The Conqueror King Of England
m. William The Conqueror King Of England father: Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy mother: Herleve Of Falaise
10. Robert Le FRISON, Count Of Flanders m. Gertrude Of Saxony
m. Gertrude Of Saxony father: Bernard II Duke Of Saxony mother: Eilika Of Schweinfurt

4th generation

11. Baldwin II Count Of Hainault m. Ida Of Louvain
m. Ida Of Louvain father: Henry II Of Brabant, Count Of Lorraine mother: Adelaide Of Betuew
12. Robert Curthose Duke Of Normandy m1. m2. Sybilla Of Conversaria
m. Sybilla Of Conversaria father: Geoffrey Count Of Conversano
15. Henry I Beauclerc King Of England m1. Matilda Of Scotland m2. Adeliza Of Louvain, Queen Dowager Of England m3. m4. Nest Of Wales, Princess Of Deheubarth m5. Ansfrid m6. Elizabeth De BEAUMONT m7. Edith SIGULFSSON m8. Sibyl CORBET m9. Edith
m. Matilda Of Scotland father: Mael Coluim Ceann Moir (Malcolm III) Canmore Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots mother: Saint Margaret Of Scotland
m. Adeliza Of Louvain, Queen Dowager Of England father: Godfrey I The Bearded Duke Of Brabant mother: Ida Of Chiny
m. Nest Of Wales, Princess Of Deheubarth father: Rhys Ap Tudor Mawr Prince Of South Wales mother: Gladys Of Powys
m. Ansfrid
m. Elizabeth De BEAUMONT father: Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester mother: Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
m. Edith SIGULFSSON father: Forne SIGULFSON, Lord Of Greystoke
m. Sibyl CORBET father: Robert CORBET, Lord of Alcester
m. Edith
20. Adela m. Stephen Count Of Blois, Leader Of First Crusade
m. Stephen Count Of Blois, Leader Of First Crusade father: Theobald III Count Of Blois And Champagne mother: Garsend Of Maine
22. Robert II Count Of Flanders m. Clemence Of Burgundy
m. Clemence Of Burgundy father: William I The Great Count Of Burgundy mother: Stephanie Of Barcelona
23. Philip Count Of Loo m.
24. Adele Of Flanders m1. Knut IV King Of Denmark m2. Roger Borsa Duke Of Apulia
m. Knut IV King Of Denmark father: Sven II Astridson King Of Denmark
m. Roger Borsa Duke Of Apulia father: Robert Guiscard Count Of Apulia And Of Calabr mother: Sikelgaita Of Salerno
25. Gertrude Of Flanders m1. Henry III Count Of Louvain m2. Thierry II Duke Of Lorraine
m. Henry III Count Of Louvain father: Henry II Of Brabant, Count Of Lorraine mother: Adelaide Of Betuew
m. Thierry II Duke Of Lorraine father: Gerhard IV Count Of Alsatia, Duke Of Lorraine Mosel mother: Hedwig

5th generation

27. Aelidis Of Hainault m. Nicolas II Of Rumigny
m. Nicolas II Of Rumigny father: Nicolas I Of Rumigny
28. Arnold Of Hainault m. Beatrix Of Ath
m. Beatrix Of Ath father: Walter Lord Of Ath mother: Ada De Roucy
29. Ida Of Lorraine m. Thomas De COUCY, Count Of Anvers
m. Thomas De COUCY, Count Of Anvers father: Enguerrand I De COUCY, Count Of Amiens mother: Ade De ROUCY, Dame De Marle
31. Baldwin III Count Of Hainault m. Yolande Of Guelders
m. Yolande Of Guelders father: Gerald I Count Of Guelders And Wassenberg
38. Matilda m1. Henry V King Of Germany, Holy Roman Emperor m2. Geoffrey Plantagenet Count Of Anjou, Duke Of Normandy
m. Henry V King Of Germany, Holy Roman Emperor father: Henry IV King Of Germany mother: Burtha Of Maurienne
m. Geoffrey Plantagenet Count Of Anjou, Duke Of Normandy father: Fulk V The Young Count Of Anjou, King Of Jerusalem mother: Erembourg Of Maine
40. Constance m. Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine
m. Roscelin De BEAUMONT, Viscount Of Maine father: Raoul VII Vicount Of Fresnay, Beaumont, And St Suz mother: Adenor Of Laval
42. Richilde/Eustacie m. William III GOET, Lord Of Montminrael
m. William III GOET, Lord Of Montminrael
44. Aline m. Matthew I Sire De Montmorency
m. Matthew I Sire De Montmorency father: Bouchard IV Seigneur De Montmorency mother: Agnes
45. Mabel m. William III GOUET, Lord Of Montmirail
m. William III GOUET, Lord Of Montmirail father: William II GOUET, Lord Of Montmirail mother: Eustache
46. Emma m. Guy IV Lord Of Laval, Vicount Of Rennes
m. Guy IV Lord Of Laval, Vicount Of Rennes father: Guy III Of Laval mother: Cecilia
47. Maud m. Conan III Le Gros Duke Of Brittany
m. Conan III Le Gros Duke Of Brittany father: Alan IV Fergent Duke Of Brittany mother: Ermengard Of Anjou
48. William De TRACY, Baron Of Badninch m.
49. Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester m1. m2. Maud FITZ HAMOND
m. Maud FITZ HAMOND father: Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury mother: Sybil De Montgomery
50. Henry FITZ HENRY m.
52. Juliane m. Eustace I De PACY, Lord Of Breteuil And Pacy
m. Eustace I De PACY, Lord Of Breteuil And Pacy father: William Fitz Osbern, Seigneur De Breteuil
55. Robert Baron Of Okehampton m. Maud D'AVRANCHES, Lady Du Sap In Normandy
m. Maud D'AVRANCHES, Lady Du Sap In Normandy father: Robert D'AVRANCHES, Lord Of Oakhampton mother: Hawise Of Dol
58. Rohese m. Henry De La POMERAI, Baron Of Berry Pomeroy
m. Henry De La POMERAI, Baron Of Berry Pomeroy father: Joscelin De POMEROY, Baron Of Berry Pomeroy mother: Emma
59. Sibyl/Elizabeth m1. Fergus Lord Of Galloway m2. Alexander Mac MAEL COLUIM, King Of Scots
m. Fergus Lord Of Galloway
m. Alexander Mac MAEL COLUIM, King Of Scots father: Mael Coluim Ceann Moir (Malcolm III) Canmore Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots mother: Saint Margaret Of Scotland
60. Reginald De DUNSTANVILLE, Earl Of Cornwall m1. Mabel m2. m3. Beatrice De VALLE
m. Mabel father: William Fitz Richard, Baron Of Cardinham mother: Aanor
m. Beatrice De VALLE father: Hubert De VAUX, Baron Of Irthington mother: Grecia
61. Matilda m. Routrou II Count Of Perche
m. Routrou II Count Of Perche father: Geoffrey II De Perche, Count Of Perche mother: Beatrix De Montdidier
62. Guillaume De CHAMPAGNE, Sire De Sully m. Agnes De SULLY
m. Agnes De SULLY father: Gilon De SULLY, Sire De Sully-Sur-Loire mother: Eldeburg Of Bourges
63. Theobald IV Count Of Blois m1. m2. Matilda Of Carinthia
m. Matilda Of Carinthia father: Engelbert II Duke Of Corinthia, Margrave Of Istria mother: Uta Of Passau
65. Stephen Of Blois, King Of England m1. m2. Dameta m3. Matilda Of Boulogne
m. Dameta
m. Matilda Of Boulogne father: Eustace III Count Of Boulogne mother: Mary Of Scotland
72. Agnes m. Hugh III Seigneur De Puiset, Vicount Chartres
m. Hugh III Seigneur De Puiset, Vicount Chartres father: Ebrard III Seigneur De Puiset mother: Adelaide Of Corbeil
74. William De YPRA m.
77. Ingegard Of Denmark m. Folk Der Dicke
m. Folk Der Dicke
80. Adelheid Of Lowen m. Simon I Duke Of Lorraine Mosellana
m. Simon I Duke Of Lorraine Mosellana father: Thierry II Duke Of Lorraine mother: Hedwig Of Formbach
81. (Unk Dau) Of Louvain m. Lambert Count Of Montaigu
m. Lambert Count Of Montaigu father: Kuno Count Of Montaigu mother: Ida Of Feuron
83. Petronella m. Florence II Le Gros Count Of Holland
m. Florence II Le Gros Count Of Holland father: Thierri V Count Of West Friesland mother: Othilde Of Saxony
84. Gisela m1. m2. Frederick Count Of Saarbrucken
m. Frederick Count Of Saarbrucken father: Siegbert II Count In The Saargau
85. Thierry Of Lorraine, Count Of Flanders m1. Swanhilde m2. Sybil Of Anjou
m. Swanhilde
m. Sybil Of Anjou father: Fulk V The Young Count Of Anjou, King Of Jerusalem mother: Erembourg Of Maine