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  • Name: Hawise MUSCEGROS
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 21 Dec 1276 b
  • Death: After 1348 d
  • Burial: Church of English Bicknor, Gloucestershire u


  • Parents:
  • Father:
  • Sir Robert De MUSCEGROS Birth: Abt 1252 Death: 27 Dec 1280

Family:
Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. John De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley Birth: 1 Death: Before 23 Jul 1324
  2. Sir Robert De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley Birth: 25 Mar 1309 Death: 28 Aug 1350
  3. Petronelle De FERRERS Death: After 20 Apr 1331
  4. Alianore FERRERS

Marriage: Children:
  1. Lucy De BURES
  2. Catherine De BURES Birth: Before 1315 Death: After Oct 1355

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  4. Phillips, Chris, Parents of Agnes de Ferrers. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 12/2/2001. Subject: CP Error: Ferrers (was: Royal Genealogy Question Agnes de Ferres/Charlemagne). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Jf722f71Lj0/m/MzlNwmutNBcJ. Author address: cgp100 at cgp100 dot dabsol dot co dot uk. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 12/2/2001-091015].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Mother of Hawise Muscegros. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/13/1999. Subject: Lygon to Henry I. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/rTrSYGkMS-w/m/fP4P1XjSDhwJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 11/13/1999].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Muscegros, wife of John de Ferrers. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/2/2016. Subject: C.P. Addition: Hawise de Muscegros (living 1348), wife of William de Mortimer, John de Ferrers, Knt., and John de Bures, Knt.. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/ZZeVcO2Gx0I/m/SSMEWt2BBgAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 8/2/2016-210232].
  7. Watson, John, Richard de Muscegros. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/13/2015. Subject: Parentage of Robert Muscegros. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/cSvfBR8PX1o/m/UEhkjM2Ig_wJ. Author address: watsonjohnm at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Watson SGM 1/13/2015-104930].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  10. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  11. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
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  13. Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr, David Faris, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America before 1700, 7th Edition, Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co, 1992. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Weis AR7 #[0-9][0-9]*[A-Z]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
[Ref: CP V p309, CP V p335f, Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568, Watney WALLOP #383, Watney WALLOP #719, Weis AR7 #189, Weis AR7 #57],
parents:
Robert de MUSCEGROS & unk first wife [Ref: CP++ Ferrers 12/31/2006 (CP V p308), Chris Phillips SGM 12/2/2001-091015, Douglas Richardson SGM 11/13/1999, John Watson SGM 1/13/2015-104930, Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p201],
father:
[Ref: CP V p308, CP V p335f, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p413, Watney WALLOP #383, Watney WALLOP #719, Weis AR7 #189],
grandmother:
Cecily de Muscegros [Ref: CP V p308]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
mother:
Agnes de FERRERS (#13601) [Ref: CP V p308, CP V p335f, Watney WALLOP #719, Weis AR7 #189],
note:
mother NOT Agnes de FERRERS [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 11/13/1999]
Sources for death Information
date:
after Jun 1340 [Ref: Weis AR7 #189]
alluded to as living in an inq.p.m taken 17 Nov 1347, but such statements are often incorrect [Ref: CP V p310(a)]
between 24 Jun 1340 and 21 Dec 1350 [Ref: CP V p309]
between Easter 1348 and 22 Dec 1350 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 8/2/2016-210232]
between Jun 1340 and Dec 1350 [Ref: Weis AR7 #57]
living 23 Jun 1340, but d before husband [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p569]
living 23 Jun 1340, d before 1353 [Ref: Richardson PA p308]
living 24 Jun 1340 [Ref: CP V p335f, Watney WALLOP #383, Watney WALLOP #719]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p569]
possibly in church of English Bicknor, Gloucester [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 8/2/2016-210232]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir William MORTIMER
date:
first marriage of Hawise [Ref: CP IX p281(c), CP V p308, CP V p335f, Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p202]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley
date:
abt 1300 [Ref: CP IX p281(c) (with corr in XIV p488)]
after 2 Feb 1297/8 [Ref: Richardson PA p307]
before 1300 [Ref: Weis AR7 #57]
between 2 Feb 1297/8 and 13 Sep 1300 [Ref: CP V p308, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568]
between 2 Feb 1297/98 and 13 Sep 1300 [Ref: Weis AR7 #189]
second marriage of Hawise [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p202],
names:
[Ref: Watney WALLOP #719],
child:
[Ref: CP V p309(d), CP V p310, CP V p335f, Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568, Richardson RoyalAnc v5p24, Watney WALLOP #383, Weis AR7 #57, Weis AR7 #61]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John De BURES
date:
before 1315 [Ref: Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p569]
third marriage of Hawise [Ref: CP V p309, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p202, Weis AR7 #189],
child:
[Ref: CP V p309(d), CP V p335f, Richardson PA p308, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p569, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p413, Weis AR7 #189]
Research Notes:
Lady of Charlton, Norton, Bicknor, etc [Ref: CP V p335f]

heiress of her father [Ref: CP V p308, Douglas Richardson SGM 11/13/1999, John Watson SGM 1/13/2015-104930, Richardson PA p307, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p568, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p413]

when Hawise married Agnes' nephew, John de Ferrers, they had to obtain a dispensation to marry. In this instance, the dispensation makes no mention that Hawise and John were related by kindred, so we must assume that they were not. Rather, the dispensation was obtained for other reasons. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 11/13/1999]

1300: when the couple sought a dispensation to marry, it was because they were related in a tenuous way - Hawise had previously been espoused to William de Mortimer, without having consummated the marriage, and William had been related to John in the third degree [Ref: CP++ Ferrers 12/31/2006 (CP V p308)]



Pedigree of Hawise MUSCEGROS
                            /-----Richard De MUSCEGROS
                   /-----Sir Robert De MUSCEGROS
          /-----Sir John De MUSCEGROS
         |        |                                             /-----Robert MALET
         |        |                                    /-----Robert MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet
         |        |                                   |         \-----Emily Of Montfort
         |        |                           /-----William MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet
         |        |                  /-----Gilbert MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Ralph PICOT
         |        |                 |         \-----Eugenia PICOT
         |        |         /-----Sir William MALET, Baron Of Curry Malet, MC Surety
         |        |        |        |         /-----Ralph PICOT
         |        |        |         \-----Alice PICOT
         |         \-----Hawise MALET
 /-----Sir Robert De MUSCEGROS
|        |         /-----Sir William AVENAL
|         \-----Cecily Of Avenal
|                  \-----Aline
Hawise MUSCEGROS



Descendants of Hawise MUSCEGROS
1. Hawise MUSCEGROS m1. Sir William MORTIMER m2. Sir John De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley m3. Sir John De BURES
m. Sir William MORTIMER father: Sir Roger MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore mother: Maud De BRAOISE
m. Sir John De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley father: Robert De FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Alianore De BOHUN
m. Sir John De BURES

2nd generation

3. Sir Robert De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley m1. Margaret m2. Joan De La MOTE
m. Margaret
m. Joan De La MOTE
5. Alianore FERRERS m. Sir Thomas LATHOM
m. Sir Thomas LATHOM father: Sir Robert LATHOM mother: Katherine De KNOWSLEY
7. Catherine De BURES m. Sir Giles De BEAUCHAMP
m. Sir Giles De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Walter De BEAUCHAMP mother: Alice De TONI

3rd generation

8. Sir John De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley m. Elizabeth De STAFFORD
m. Elizabeth De STAFFORD father: Sir Ralph De STAFFORD, K.G., Earl Of Stafford mother: Margaret De AUDLEY, Baroness Audley
9. Sir Robert De FERRERS, Lord Le Botiller m. Elizabeth Le BOTILLER
m. Elizabeth Le BOTILLER father: William Le BOTILLER, Lord Of Wem And Oversley mother: Elizabeth De HANDESACRE
10. Sir Thomas De LATHOM m. Joan VENABLES
m. Joan VENABLES father: Sir Hugh VENABLES mother: Katherine HOUGHTON
14. Sir John De BEAUCHAMP m1. Joan CHERLETON m2. Elizabeth St. JOHN
m. Joan CHERLETON father: John CHERLETON, Lord Cherleton mother: Maud De MORTIMER
m. Elizabeth St. JOHN father: Sir John St. JOHN

4th generation

15. Sir Robert De FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley m1. Elizabeth m2. Margaret Le DESPENSER
m. Elizabeth
m. Margaret Le DESPENSER father: Sir Edward DESPENSER, K.G., Lord Of Glamorgan mother: Elizabeth De BURGHERSH, Baroness Burghersh
16. Sir Robert De FERRERS m. Joan De BEAUFORT
m. Joan De BEAUFORT father: John Of Gaunt K.G., Duke of Lancaster mother: Katharine Of Hainault
17. Thomas De LATHOM m. Isabel De PILKINGTON
m. Isabel De PILKINGTON father: Roger De PILKINGTON
19. Isabel De LATHOM m1. Sir Geoffrey De WORSLEY m2. Sir John STANLEY, K.G.
m. Sir Geoffrey De WORSLEY
m. Sir John STANLEY, K.G. father: Sir William STANLEY mother: Alice MASSEY
20. Margaret LATHOM m. Nicholas HARRINGTON
m. Nicholas HARRINGTON father: Sir Nicholas HARRINGTON mother: Isabella ENGLISH
23. Sir William De BEAUCHAMP m. Catharine De USFLETE
m. Catharine De USFLETE father: Sir Gerard De USFLETE mother: Margaret De THORNHILL
24. Alice De BEAUCHAMP m1. Sir Thomas De BOTILLER, Lord Sudeley m2. Sir John DALYNGRYGG
m. Sir Thomas De BOTILLER, Lord Sudeley father: William Le BOTILLER, Lord Botiller, Lord Of Wem mother: Joan De SUDELEY
m. Sir John DALYNGRYGG father: Sir Edward DALYNGRIGGE mother: Elizabeth WARDEUX
26. Sir Walter BEAUCHAMP m. Elizabeth ROCHES
m. Elizabeth ROCHES father: Sir John ROCHES mother: Willelma De La MERE

5th generation

27. Sir Edmund FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley m. Alienor De La ROCHE
m. Alienor De La ROCHE father: Thomas De La ROCHE mother: Elizabeth BERMINGHAM
30. Philippa De FERRERS m. Sir Thomas GREENE
m. Sir Thomas GREENE father: Sir Thomas GREENE mother: Mary TALBOT
31. Elizabeth De FERRERS m. John De GREYSTOKE, Lord Greystoke
m. John De GREYSTOKE, Lord Greystoke father: Ralph De GREYSTOKE, Lord Greystoke mother: Katherine CLIFFORD
32. Mary De FERRERS m. Sir Ralph NEVILL
m. Sir Ralph NEVILL father: Sir Ralph De NEVILLE, K.G., Earl Of Westmoreland mother: Margaret STAFFORD
35. Sir John STANLEY m. Elizabeth HARRINGTON
m. Elizabeth HARRINGTON father: Sir Nicholas HARRINGTON mother: Isabella ENGLISH
37. Thomas STANLEY m1. Maud ARDERNE m2. Elizabeth LANGTON
m. Maud ARDERNE father: Sir John De ARDERNE mother: Margaret PILKINGTON
m. Elizabeth LANGTON father: Sir Ralph LANGTON mother: Alice
41. (Unk) HARRINGTON m. Nicholas ELTONHEAD
m. Nicholas ELTONHEAD
44. Sir John De BEAUCHAMP, K.G., Lord Beauchamp m. Margaret FERRERS
m. Margaret FERRERS father: Sir Edmund FERRERS, Lord Ferrers Of Chartley mother: Alienor De La ROCHE
45. Elizabeth BEAUCHAMP m1. Sir Thomas SWYNFORD m2. Thomas BOTHWELL
m. Sir Thomas SWYNFORD father: Sir Thomas SWYNFORD mother: Joan CROPHILL
m. Thomas BOTHWELL
49. Ralph De BOTILLER, K.G., Lord Sudeley m1. Elizabeth NORBURY m2. Alice DEINCOURT, Baroness Deincourt
m. Elizabeth NORBURY father: John NORBURY mother: Petronilla
m. Alice DEINCOURT, Baroness Deincourt father: Sir John DEINCOURT, Lord Deincourt mother: Joan GREY, Baroness Grey
50. Elizabeth De BOTILLER m1. Sir William HERON, Lord Heron m2. John NORBURY m3. Sir John MONTGOMERY
m. Sir William HERON, Lord Heron father: Sir John HERON
m. John NORBURY father: Thomas NORBURY mother: (Unk) PEMBRIDGE
m. Sir John MONTGOMERY
51. Joan De BOTILLER m1. Hamon BELKNAP m2. Sir John DEDHAM
m. Hamon BELKNAP father: Sir Robert BELKNAP mother: Juliane DARSET
m. Sir John DEDHAM
54. Elizabeth BEAUCHAMP m. Sir Richard DUDLEY
m. Sir Richard DUDLEY
56. William BEAUCHAMP, Lord St Amand m. Elizabeth BRAYBROKE, Baroness St Amand
m. Elizabeth BRAYBROKE, Baroness St Amand father: Gerard BRAYBROKE, Lord St Amand mother: Pernelle De GREY