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• Name: Josceline
• Sex: F
• Death: After 1068 ^d


Parents:
Mother:

• Senfrie Birth: 1

Family:
Marriage:

• Hugh De Montgomery on Abt 985 .^m1
  
• Hugh De Montgomery Death: Before 1050

Children:

1. Hugh De Montgomery
2. Gilbert De Montgomery
3. Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery Birth: Abt 1000 Death: 7 Feb Before 1050

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

mother:

[Ref: Farmerie Gunnor, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Thompson Montgomerys p259, Wagner PedigreeProgress #46, White Gunnor p60],

aunt:

Gunnor Duchess of Normandy [Ref: CP XI p682]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

parents:

Osbern de Bolbec (#90153) & Wevie (#10700) [Ref: ES III.4 #695]

Sources for death Information

date:

occ 1068 [Ref: ES III.4 #637]

Sources with Information about marriage to Hugh De Montgomery

date:

probably in the 980s [Ref: Thompson Montgomerys p254],

names:

[Ref: ES III.4 #637, ES III.4 #695, Keats-Rohan RobertTorigny p24],

child:

[Ref: CP++(proposed) Shrewsbury 12/31/2006 (CP XI p682), Farmerie Gunnor, Thompson Montgomerys p259]

Sources with Inaccurate marriage information

names:

Roger de Montgomery & Joscelin [Ref: CP XI p682, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Wagner PedigreeProgress #46, White Gunnor p64],

child:

Roger II Sire de Montgomery 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (#10891) [Ref: CP XI p682, ES III.4 #637, Moriarty Plantagenet p44, Wagner PedigreeProgress #46, White Gunnor p64]

Research Notes:
a neice of the duchess Gunnor [Ref: CP XI p682]

called a daughter of Wevie by Robert of Torigny, and mother of Roger first Earl of Shrewsbury [Ref: White Gunnor p60]

Torigny makes Joscelina daughter of Wevia, but a contemporary of Torigny, in demonstrating the genealogical impediment to a marriage of a bastard of Henry I to a Montgomery descendant specifically calls Joscelina's mother Senfria, and the inheritance by the Montgomerys of large holdings suggests that Joscelina was a significant coheiress to her parents, which does not match Wevia's family where the two sons would be expected to acquire most of the family land. [Ref: Farmerie Gunnor]

Robert de Torigny in his continuation of William de Jumieges makes the mother of Roger II de Montgomery to be Josceline, da of Wevie, a sister of Gunnor; in c.37 he states Wevie's husband to have been Osbern de Bolbec. He calls Josceline's husband Hugh de Montgomery, but the father of Roger II was undoubtedly named Roger. The mistakes in these genealogical chapters, 35-37, as to which see G.H.White's article on "The sisters and nieces of Gunnor" in Genealogist, are too numerous to make it possible to trust them in default of corroboration, but the statement as to Josceline is in part corroborated by Ives, bishop of Chartres. In a letter of the year 1114 to Henry I he points out that a projected marriage between a natural daughter of the King and Hugh, son of Gervase de Chateauneuf, would be invalid on the grounmd of consanguinity. He traces Hugh's pedigree as follows: Senfrie, sister of Gunnor, had a daughter Josceline, the mother of Roger de Montgomery, who had a daughter Mabel married to Gervase de Chateaueneuf, by whom she was the mother of Hugh. It will be observed that this account makes Josceline the daughter of Senfrie or Sainfrie, who according to Robert de Torigny was Gunnor's sister; the name of Josceline's husband is not given. The bishop seems to be writing with due sense of responsibility, for the letter contains this remarkable passage: "Quod enim dicimus, non ex conjecturis facimus, quia prae manibus habemus scriptam genealogiam, quam scribi fecerunt nobiles viri de eadem tribu progeniti, et parati sunt ante judices ecclesiasticos eandem genalogiam in tuto loco computare et secundum legum instituta probare." Moreover the protest was successful since Hugh did not marry the King's daughter but a daughter of Waleran, Count of Meulan. If however another of these genealogies of Robert de Torigny be accepted, Hugh nevertheless married within the prohibited degrees, since his bride descended from another of Gunnor's sisters. Taken as a whole the evidence seems to show that Roger I's wife was Josceline, a niece of Gunnor. [Ref: CP XI p683(c)]



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Josceline
|         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
 \-----Senfrie



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