Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. William De SAY Birth: Before 1140 Death: Abt 1 Aug 1177
  2. Geoffrey De SAY Birth: Abt 1140 Death: Abt 19 May 1214

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  5. Phillips, Chris, Proposed Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++(proposed) .*].
  6. Fowler, G Herbert, Mandeville, Fitz Geoffrey, and Beauchamp of Eaton, in The Genealogist, New Series, v29 (Oct 1912). NYPL *ZAN-G233 Reels 18-32. LDS Film#086970. Journal available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/14199. Article available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/008649244 images 259-262. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Fowler Mandeville p[0-9]*].
  7. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  9. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
  10. Watney, Vernon James, The Wallop Family and their Ancestry, Oxford:John Johnson, 1928. LDS Film#1696491 items 6-9. NYPL ARZ+ (Wallop) (Watney, V. J. Wallop family). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/213421. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Watney WALLOP #[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681],
grandfather:
William de SAYE [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790]
Sources for death Information
date:
1144 [Ref: Fowler Mandeville p85, Keats-Rohan DD p568 (with corr on proposon web site), Sanders Baronies p71]
Aug 1144 [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Watney WALLOP #647, Watney WALLOP #883]
after Sep 1144 [Ref: CP++(proposed) Essex 2/11/2003 (CP V p116f)]
survived the Earl (who d.1144) [Ref: CP XI p464],
place:
[Ref: CP V p120, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Watney WALLOP #647, Watney WALLOP #883]
Sources with Inaccurate death Information
date:
abt 1155 (discrepancy noted in corrigenda on prosopon web site, but without correction) [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]
Sources with Information about marriage to Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
date:
second marriage of Beatrice [Ref: CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP XI p464, Keats-Rohan DD p568 (with corr on proposon web site), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561],
names:
[Ref: Watney WALLOP #647],
child:
[Ref: CP IV AppH p669, CP V p116f, CP V p120, CP V p121, CP XI p465, Fowler Mandeville p85, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Sanders Baronies p71(6), Sanders Baronies p71, Watney WALLOP #883]
Research Notes:
given a special grant of his father's lands in a charter of Empress Maud, issued between Christmas 1141 and the end of June 1142 [Ref: CP XI p464]

chiefly known as an associate of Geoffrey de Mandeville, 1st Earl of Essex, in his last revolt (with Hugh Bigod) against Stephen in 1144 [Ref: CP XI p464]

died at siege of Burnwell Castle [Ref: Watney WALLOP #883]

According to Henry of Huntingdon, he was killed with the Earl of Essex in Aug 1144 when, after occupying Ramsey Abbey, they were attacking Stephen's fort at Burwell, Cambs, but there is evidence that William survived the Earl [Ref: CP XI p464]

Henry of Huntingdon says he and Geoffrey de Mandeville, earl of Essex, were killed in August 1144, but CP XI p464(f) summarises evidence that William survived Geoffrey (who did not die until Sep 1144) [Ref: CP++(proposed) Essex 2/11/2003 (CP V p116f)]

The Ramsey Chronicle alleged that he died with his brother-in-law Geoffrey de mandeville in 1144, but a charter for St Neots shows that he survived him by a few years [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]



Pedigree of William De SAY
          /-----William De SAY
 /-----Jordan De SAY
|        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
|        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
|        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
|        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
|        |        |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
|        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
|         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
|                 |                                             /-----Ivo
|                 |                                    /-----Ivo
|                 |                                   |         \-----Geila
|                 |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
|                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
|                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
|                 |        |         \-----Emma
|                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
|                           \-----Judith
William De SAY
|                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
|         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
 \-----Lucy De RUMILLY



Descendants of William De SAY
1. William De SAY m. Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
m. Beatrice De MANDEVILLE father: William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy mother: Margaret RIE

2nd generation

2. William De SAY m. Aufrica
m. Aufrica father: William The Lion King Of Scots
3. Geoffrey De SAY m1. Alice De CHESNEY m2. Alice De VERE
m. Alice De CHESNEY father: John De CHESNEY mother: Sibil
m. Alice De VERE father: Aubrey III De VERE, Earl Of Oxford mother: Agnes Lucia Of Essex

3rd generation

4. William De SAY m.
5. Beatrice De SAY m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
m. Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex father: Piers De LUTEGARESHALE mother: Maud
6. Maud De Say m. Sir William De BOCLANDE
m. Sir William De BOCLANDE father: Hugh De BOCLANDE mother: Maud
8. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Hawise De CLARE
m. Hawise De CLARE father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety mother: Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
9. Geoffrey De SAY m1. m2. Margaret De BRIWERE m3. Aline
m. Margaret De BRIWERE father: Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley mother: Beatrice De VALLE
m. Aline

4th generation

10. Aufrica De SAY m.
14. Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE m1. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety m2. Roger De DAUNTSEY
m. Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety father: Humphrey IV De BOHUN, Baron Of Trowbridge mother: Margaret Of Huntingdon
m. Roger De DAUNTSEY
16. Maud De BOCLANDE m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
m. William D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone father: Simon D'AVRANCHES, Baron Of Folkestone
18. Joan De BOCLANDE m1. William MUSARD m2. Robert De FERRERS m3. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES
m. William MUSARD father: Richard MUSARD, Baron Of Staveley
m. Robert De FERRERS father: William FERRERS, Earl Of Derby mother: Sibyl De BRAOISE
m. Geoffrey D'AVRANCHES
19. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

5th generation

25. Agatha m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
m. (Unk) De MANDEVILLE
27. Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex m1. Maud D'EU m2. Maud De AVENBURY
m. Maud D'EU father: Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu mother: Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
m. Maud De AVENBURY father: (Unk) De AVENBURY
28. Maud D'AVRANCHES m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham
m. Hamon De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham father: Robert De CREVEQUER, Baron Of Chatham
31. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
32. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
33. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
34. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
35. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
36. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth