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Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Elizabeth FIENNES
  2. Emeline FIENNES
  3. Jane FIENNES
  4. William FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele Birth: Abt 1428 Death: 14 Apr 1471 in Barnet

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 03 Canonteigh-Cutts. London: St Catherine Press, 1913. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 3 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo03coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP III [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Clutterbuck, Robert, History and Antiquities of the County of Hertford, London: Nichols, Son, and Bentley, 1815-27, v1-3. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/188626. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Clutterbuck Hertford v[1-3]p[0-9]*].
  5. Faris, David, Plantagenet ancestry of seventeenth century colonists: the descent from the later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III, of emigrants from England and Wales to the North American colonies before 1701, second edition. Boston: New England Historical Genealogical Society, 1999. NYPL APR (New England) 01-1513. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Faris PA2 p[0-9ivxc]*].
  6. Roskell, J S, History of Parliament: The House of Commons 1386-1421. Wolfboro Falls, NH: Alan Sutton, 1992. NYPL JFE 95-5018. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v[1-4]p[0-9]*].
  7. Richardson, Douglas, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families. Baltimore, MD: Genelogical Publishing Co, 2004. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson PA p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v3p[0-9]*].
  10. Roberts, Gary Boyd, The Royal Descents of 600 Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States: who were themselves notable or left descendants notable in American history, with a 2008 Addendum, Coda, and Final Additions. Baltimore, MD: Gen Pub Co, 2008. NYPL APK 08-4216. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Roberts RD600 p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 1395 [Ref: CP XI p479, Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
younger son [Ref: HoP 1386-1421 v3p70],
parents:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1791, CP III p320, CP XI p479, Clutterbuck Hertford v2p10, HoP 1386-1421 v3p70, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p580, Roberts RD600 p471]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP XI p481, Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348],
place:
[Ref: CP XI p481, Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: CP XI p481, Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sources with Information about marriage to Joan
date:
first marriage of James [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p580],
names:
James FIENNES & unk first wife [Ref: Richardson PA p245]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
child:
Elizabeth (#196172) [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
William (#152613) [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sources with Information about marriage to Emiline CROMER
date:
before 5 Aug 1441 [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
second marriage of James [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p580],
names:
[Ref: CP XI p481],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1791, CP XI p482, Clutterbuck Hertford v2p10, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348, Roberts RD600 p471]
Research Notes:
1st Lord Saye and Sele, of Barony cr 1447 [Ref: CP XI p479]
1st Lord Saye and Sele [Ref: Burke Peerage p1791, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p580, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p363, Roberts RD600 p471]
Lord Say and Scle [Ref: CP III p320, HoP 1386-1421 v3p71]

Knt, of Hever and Knole (in Sevenoke), Kent, Ascot (in Great Milton), Oxfordshire, seigneur of Court-le-Comte and Carentan in Normandy, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Knt, of Hever and Knole (in Sevenoke), Kent, Ascot (in Great Milton), Oxfordshire, etc [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

Baliff of Caux [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1419: Captain ar Arques [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Captain of Arques [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1421: Lieutenant of Caudebec [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1430: Captain of Evreux [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1436-7: Sheriff of Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sheriff of Kent [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

Esquire of the Body [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1438-9: Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1446-9: Sheriff of Worcestershire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1441-2, 1446: Knight of the Shire for Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Knight of the Shire for Kent [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1443: High Steward of the Archbishopric of Canterbury [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

Constable of Rochester Castle [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

Constable of Dover Castle [Ref: Richardson PA p245, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]

1447: Warden of the Cinque Ports [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Warden of the Cinque Ports [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1447: King's Serjeant [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
King's Serjeant [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1447: Lord Chamberlain of the Household [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
King's Chamberlain [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1447: Privy Councillor [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Privy Councillor [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1447: Constable of the Tower of London [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Constable of the Tower of London [Ref: Richardson PA p245]

1449-51: Lord High Treasurer [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p348]
Treasurer of England [Ref: Richardson PA p245]



Pedigree of Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele
                                                                /-----Ingleman De FIENNES
                                                       /-----William De FIENNES
                                                      |         \-----Sybilla De BOULOGNE
                                              /-----Sir Ingleman FIENNES, K.B., Lord Of Wendover
                                             |        |         /-----Alberic II De DAMMARTIN, Count Of Dammartin
                                             |         \-----Agnes De DAMMARTIN
                                             |                  \-----Maud Of Clermont
                                     /-----Sir Giles FIENNES
                                    |        |                  /-----Roger Lord Of Conde-En-Partie
                                    |        |         /-----Nicolas Lord Of Balliol
                                    |        |        |         \-----Alix Of Mons
                                    |         \-----Isabel Of Conde
                                    |                 |         /-----Arnoul IV Lord Of Morialme
                                    |                  \-----Elisabeth Of Morialme
                            /-----John FIENNES
                           |        |         /-----William FILLIOL
                           |         \-----Sibyl FILLIOL
                           |                 |         /-----Aimery CAUNCEUX
                           |                  \-----Cecily CAUNCEUX
                   /-----Sir John FIENNES
                  |        |         /-----Jordan Le FORESTER
                  |         \-----Joan Le FORESTER
                  |                  \-----Amice
          /-----Sir William FIENNES
         |        |         /-----Sir John De MONCEUX
         |         \-----Maud De MONCEUX
 /-----Sir William FIENNES
|        |                                                      /-----Geoffrey De SAY
|        |                                             /-----Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |                                            |         \-----Alice De CHESNEY
|        |                                    /-----Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |                                   |        |         /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
|        |                                   |         \-----Hawise De CLARE
|        |                                   |                  \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
|        |                           /-----William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |                          |         \-----Sibyl
|        |                  /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
|        |                 |         \-----Elizabeth
|        |         /-----Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say
|        |        |        |                                    /-----Robet De LEYBURN
|        |        |        |                           /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |        |        |                          |         \-----Margaret
|        |        |        |                  /-----Roger De LEYBURN
|        |        |        |                 |        |         /-----Stephen De TURNHAM
|        |        |        |                 |         \-----Eleanor De TURNHAM
|        |        |        |                 |                  \-----Edeline De BROC
|        |        |        |         /-----William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn
|        |        |        |        |         \-----(Unk)
|        |        |         \-----Idoine De LEYBURN
|        |        |                 |                  /-----Simon De SANDWICH
|        |        |                 |         /-----Sir Henry De SANDWICH
|        |        |                  \-----Juliane De SANDWICH
|        |        |                          |                  /-----Hugh De Auberville
|        |        |                          |         /-----William De AUBERVILLE
|        |        |                           \-----Joan De AUBERVILLE
|         \-----Joan De SAY
|                 |                                             /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Salwarpe
|                 |                                    /-----Walter De BEAUCHAMP
|                 |                                   |         \-----Joan De St VALERIE
|                 |                           /-----William BEAUCHAMP, Baron Of Elmsley Castle
|                 |                          |        |         /-----Roger De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
|                 |                          |         \-----Joan MORTIMER
|                 |                          |                  \-----Isabel De FERRIERS
|                 |                  /-----William De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |        |                  /-----Robert MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |                 |        |         /-----William IV MAUDIT, Baron Of Hanslope
|                 |                 |        |        |         \-----Isabel BASSET
|                 |                 |         \-----Isabel MAUDUIT
|                 |                 |                 |         /-----Waleran Beaumont De Newbourge, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |                 |                  \-----Alice De NEWBOURGE
|                 |                 |                           \-----Alice De Harcourt
|                 |         /-----Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick
|                 |        |        |                           /-----Piers De LUTEGARESHALE
|                 |        |        |                  /-----Geoffrey FITZ PIERS, Earl Of Essex
|                 |        |        |                 |         \-----Maud
|                 |        |        |         /-----Sir John FITZ GEOFFREY
|                 |        |        |        |        |         /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
|                 |        |        |        |         \-----Aveline De CLARE
|                 |        |        |        |                  \-----Maud St. HILLARY
|                 |        |         \-----Maud FITZJOHN
|                 |        |                 |                  /-----Roger BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|                 |        |                 |         /-----Hugh BIGOD, Earl Of Norfolk, MC Surety
|                 |        |                 |        |         \-----Ida Countess Of Norfolk
|                 |        |                  \-----Isabel BIGOD
|                 |        |                          |         /-----Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
|                 |        |                           \-----Maud MARSHALL
|                 |        |                                    \-----Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
|                  \-----Maud De BEAUCHAMP
|                          |                                    /-----Roger IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|                          |                           /-----Ralph VI De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|                          |                          |         \-----Constance De BEAUMONT
|                          |                  /-----Roger V De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|                          |                 |        |         /-----Walter De LACY, Baron Of Weobley
|                          |                 |         \-----Petronilla De LACY
|                          |                 |                  \-----Margaret De BRAOISE
|                          |         /-----Ralph VII De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
|                          |        |        |                  /-----Henry De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford, MC Surety
|                          |        |        |         /-----Humphrey V De BOHUN, Earl Of Hereford And Essex
|                          |        |        |        |         \-----Maud FITZ GEOFFREY De MANDEVILLE
|                          |        |         \-----Alice De BOHUN
|                          |        |                 |         /-----Raoul I De LUSIGNAN, Count D'Eu
|                          |        |                  \-----Maud D'EU
|                          |        |                           \-----Alice D'EU, Countess Of Eu, Lady Of Hastings
|                           \-----Alice De TOENI
|                                    \-----Mary
Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele
|         /-----William BATISFORD
 \-----Elizabeth BATISFORD
         |         /-----Simon PEPLESHAM
          \-----Margaret PEPLESHAM
                   \-----Joan ROWSE



Descendants of Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele
1. Sir James FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m1. Joan m2. Emiline CROMER
m. Joan
m. Emiline CROMER

2nd generation

2. Elizabeth FIENNES m1. William CROMER m2. Alexander IDEN m3. Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD
m. William CROMER father: Sir William CROMER mother: Margaret SQUERY
m. Alexander IDEN
m. Sir Laurence RAYNSFORD father: William RAYNSFORD mother: Alianor De BROXBOURNE
5. William FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m. Margaret WYKEHAM
m. Margaret WYKEHAM father: William WYKEHAM mother: Joan

3rd generation

6. Sir James CROMER m. Catherine CANTELOU
m. Catherine CANTELOU father: Sir William CANTELOU mother: Margaret BARRY
10. Sir John RAYNSFORD m1. Anne STARKEY m2. Margaret ILAM
m. Anne STARKEY father: Sir Humphrey STARKEY
m. Margaret ILAM father: Thomas ILAM
12. Henry FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m. Anne HARCOURT
m. Anne HARCOURT father: Sir Richard HARCOURT mother: Edith St. CLAIR

4th generation

13. Anne CROMER m. William WHETENHALL
m. William WHETENHALL father: William WHETENHALL mother: Margaret HEXSTALL
14. Sir William CROMER m. Alice HAWTE
m. Alice HAWTE father: Sir William HAWTE mother: Joan HORNE
18. Elizabeth CROMER m1. Sir Richard LOVELACE m2. Sir William FINCHE
m. Sir Richard LOVELACE
m. Sir William FINCHE father: Henry FINCH mother: Alice BELKNAP
21. Juliana RAYNSFORD m. Sir William WALDEGRAVE
m. Sir William WALDEGRAVE father: George WALDEGRAVE mother: Anne DRURY
22. Richard FIENNES, Lord Saye And Sele m. Elizabeth CROFT
m. Elizabeth CROFT father: Sir Richard CROFT mother: Anne FOX

5th generation

23. Rose WHETENHALL m. Thomas WILSFORD
m. Thomas WILSFORD father: James WILSFORD mother: Elizabeth BETTENHAM
24. Margaret WHETENHALL m. Thomas ROYDON
m. Thomas ROYDON father: Thomas ROYDON
25. Alice WHETENHALL m1. Thomas HODDE m2. Thomas DARRELL
m. Thomas HODDE
m. Thomas DARRELL father: Henry DARRELL mother: Elizabeth CHEYNE
31. James CROMER m. Anne WOTTON
m. Anne WOTTON father: Sir Edward WOTTON mother: Dorothy READE
37. Sir Thomas FINCH m. Katherine MOYLE
m. Katherine MOYLE father: Sir Thomas MOYLE mother: Katherine JORDAN
40. Dorothy WALDEGRAVE m. Arthur HARRIS
m. Arthur HARRIS father: William HARRIS mother: Joan COOKE
41. Edward FIENNES, Lord Saye and Sele m. Margaret DANVERS
m. Margaret DANVERS father: Sir John DANVERS mother: Anne STRADLING