Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Joan MORAY Death: Before Aug 1409


Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Richardson, Douglas, First wife of Murdoch, Duke of Albany. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/1/2018. Subject: First wife of Murdoch, Duke of Albany. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/_UTxa31LocI/m/3-jm6a10BAAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023].
  4. Ravilious, John, Helen of Strathearn, wife of Sir David Graham. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 1/1/2006. Subject: Helen of Strathearn, daughter of Joanna de Menteith (revisited). Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/EdhQRQODrgE/m/XqhW5ehZSr8J. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721].
  5. Ravilious, John, Joan Moray wife of Archibald Earl of Douglas. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/4/2018. Subject: First wife of Murdoch, Duke of Albany. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/_UTxa31LocI/m/9m5D9HtQBQAJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 3/4/2018-081821].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  7. Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP II p[0-9]*].
  8. Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP III p[0-9]*].
  9. Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP VI p[0-9]*].
  10. Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP VIII p[0-9]*].
  11. Theiner, Augustin, Vetera monumenta Hibernorum et Scotorum historiam illustrantia, quae ex Vaticani, Neapolis ac Florentiae tabulariis deprompsit et ordine chronologico disposuit Augustinus Theiner, Rome: Vatican, 1864. Available at https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_20XwMW0Y7PcC. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Theiner VeteraMonumenta p[0-9]*].
  12. Thompson, Neil D, and Hansen, Charles M, Medieval Heritage: The Ancestry of Charles II, King of England, The Genealogist, 2:157-68, 3:25-44, 3:175-94, 4:144-58, 5:64-72, 5:226-39, 6:100-3, 6:148-65, 7-8:137-43, 9:40-4, 10:73-85, 11:63-72, 11:184-93, 12:83-90, 12:250-6, 13:92-9, 13:252-6, 14:81-4, 14:207-10, 15:99-103, 15:220-4, 16:93-8, 16:227-31, 17:61-4, 17:250-5, 18:123-7, 18:228-31, 19:62-8, 19:251-5, 20:85-8, 20:184-90, 21:71-5, 21:250-4, 22:101-6, 22:186-91, 23:73-9, 23:203-8, 24:110-27, 24:239-54, 25:56-73, 25:214-32, 26:77-101, 26:202-26, 27:189, 28:90, 33:300. NYPL APA 82-1000. Available at https://www.americanancestors.org/databases/genealogist-the/image/. Reprinted, with further corrections, as Thompson, Neil D, and Hansen, Charles M, The Ancestry of Charles II, King of England: A Medieval Heritage. Saline, Michigan: McNaughton & Gunn, 2012. NYPL ARF 13-5787. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v[0-9]*-[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: CP IV p433, CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV p557), Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, SP II p130, SP VI p133, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell
date:
first marriage of Joan [Ref: CP IV p433],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, SP II p130, SP VI p133],
child:
[Ref: CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV p557), John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
date:
disp 23 Jul 1362 [Ref: CP IV p433],
names:
Archibald Douglas (#149078) & Joan MORAY [Ref: CP IV p433, SP VI p133, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)],
child:
Archibald DOUGLAS (#147469) [Ref: CP IV p433]
Research Notes:
Lady of Drumsergard [Ref: SP VIII p257]

heiress of her father [Ref: SP II p130]

only child and heir of Morice (Moray) Earl of Stratherne [Ref: CP IV p433]

it is not clear how she was able to carry to her second husband the barony of Bothwell, with the family possessions in Moray and elsewhere [Ref: SP II p130]

1362: while still a widow, styling herself Lady of Drumsargard, granted to her uncle, Walter Moray, certain lands in her barony of Cortachie, co Forfas, and this grant was confirmed by her mother, Joanna of Menteith, as chief lady of the barony. [Ref: SP III p162]

said to have married second to Sir Archibald Douglas, third Earl of Douglas [Ref: CP IV p433, SP VI p133, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]

23 Jul 1362: dispensation for marriage to Archibald DOUGLAS:
DCXLVII. Cura Archibalde de Douglas et Ionsua de Moravia surper matrimonale dispensatur. Reg. An. X. Tom. XXI. cod. chart. 5el 586.
Innucentius Episcopus etc.
Delecto filio mobili viro Archibaldo de Douglas militi, et cilecte in Christo filie nobili mulieri Iobsnne de Moravia, relicte quondam Tbome de Moravia militis vidne, S. Andree at Glasgnensis diocesum, salnt, etc. Sedis apostolice prudentia circumspecta etc. Exbitita aiquidam nobia pro parte vestra petitio continebat, quod vos desideratis insimul mstrimonialiter copulari: sed quia quarto consanguinitatie et affinitatis gradn invicem attinetis, buiusmodi vestrum desiderium adimplere non potestis, dispensatione super boc apostolica non obtenta. Quare pro parte vestra fuit nobis bumiliter supplicatum, ut vobis super boe de oportunae dispensationis gratia providere de benignitate apostolica dignsremur. Nos itaque ex certis causis nobis pro parte vestra expositis buiusmodi supplicetionibus inclinsti, vobiecum, nt impedimento, quod ex dictis eonsanguinitate et affinitate perveniunt, nequaquam obstantibns, mstrimonium invicem libere contrabere, et en eo, postqusm contractum fuerit, remsnere licite valeatis, auetoritate apostolica de speciali gratis dispensamns, prolem euscipiendam ex bninsmodi matrimonio legitimam nuncisntes. Nulli ergo etc. nostre dispensationis infringere etc. Datum Avinione x. Kal. Augusti, Pontificatus nostri anno decimo. [Ref: Theiner VeteraMonumenta p318]

undoubtedly one of those instances where the evidence provided by a dispensation has led to a logical, but erroneous, determination that Joan Murray, daughter of the Earl of Strathearn and widow of Thomas Murray of Bothwell, was the wife of Archibald 'the Grim', 3rd Earl of Douglas.
The late Andrew MacEwen noted the 1371 charter of King Robert II to Archibald concerning the destination of the Murray lands in the event his wife Joan died without issue - " in casu quo Johannam de Moravia, uxorem suam contigerit, absque haerede de corporibus eorundem procreato " (RMS I (1814 ed.), pp.87-88, no. 305). Andrew's interpretation was that there was as yet no issue of the marriage; this was part (not all) of his argument that Archibald's wife was Joan, daughter and heiress of Thomas Murray of Bothwell by his wife Joan Murray (heiress of Drumsargard). A discussion of the elder Joan Murray's lack of issue in 1371 (she likely being aged about 35, perhaps more, at the time) may have taken place before this hypothesis was put forward.
Also the article published by Dr. Bruce McAndrew on the matter in 2010 should be consulted by those interested (Heraldic investigations anent early Murray genealogy, PSAS 140 (2010), pp. 145-164). McAndrew makes a good case from the evidence, especially the heraldic representations created in the chapel erected at Bothwell by Archibald the Grim, that support the position that Douglas' wife was Joan, daughter (not widow) of Thomas Murray of Bothwell (cf. pp. 154-159).
There were many instances ... of dispensations not matching the actual marriages that took place - in particular John Stewart of Darnley and his wife Margaret Montgomery (1460, vs. dispensation for her aunt in 1438) for one, and Colin 'Iongantach' Campbell and his wife Mary or Mariota Campbell for another (1372, following death of his son John who was dispensed to marry Mary first) for another. There is certainly no reason to take the 1362 dispensation as solid evidence of Joan Murray's identity. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 3/4/2018-081821]

Burnett, Exchequer Rolls of Scotland 4 (1880): lv discusses this very issue. Mr. Burnett states that Archibald de Douglas's wife, Joan, was the widow of Thomas de Moray, and cites the dispensation record for their marriage published in Vetera Monumenta. He adds: "By whatever means that lady became inheritrix of Bothwell, genealogists are in error in making her daughter of Sir Thomas Moray."
However, one caveat. Dispensed marriages did not always take place and they could contain inaccurate information. If the projected marriage between Archibald de Douglas and widow Joan of Moray did not take place, it is always possible that he turned around and married her daughter. If such a daughter existed, I assume she would be the heiress of the barony of Bothwell. Otherwise it is odd that Thomas de Moray's land holding at Bothwell should have transferred to his widow's new husband. Under normal circumstances, if Thomas de Moray had no issue, Bothwell should have fallen to his nearest heirs. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023]



Pedigree of Joan MORAY
                   /-----Sir William MORAY
          /-----Sir John MORAY
 /-----Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern
Joan MORAY
|                                                               /-----Fleald Fitz Alan
|                                                      /-----Alan FITZ FLEALD
|                                             /-----Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
|                                            |        |         /-----Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
|                                            |         \-----Avelina De HESDIN
|                                            |                  \-----Emmeline
|                                    /-----Alan High Steward Of Scotland
|                                   |        |         /-----Thomas Of London
|                                   |         \-----Sechym De MOILE
|                           /-----Walter Stewart, High Steward Of Scotland
|                          |        |         /-----Swan
|                          |         \-----Eva
|                  /-----Walter STEWART, Earl Of Menteith
|                 |        |                  /-----Gilbride Earl Of Angus
|                 |        |         /-----Gilchrist Earl Of Angus
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Maldred Lord Of Carlisle
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Ealdgyth
|                 |        |        |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Dunbar
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Ethelred II The Redeless King Of England
|                 |        |        |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Alfflaed
|                 |         \-----Beatrix Of Angus
|         /-----Sir John De MONTEITH
|        |        |                  /-----(Unk) Of Menteith
|        |        |         /-----Maurice The Younger Earl Of Menteith
|        |         \-----Mary Of Menteith, Countess Of Menteith
 \-----Joan De MONTEITH



Descendants of Joan MORAY
1. Joan MORAY m1. Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell m2.
m. Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell father: Sir Andrew MORAY mother: Christian BRUCE

2nd generation

2. Joan MORAY m. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas
m. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas father: James DOUGLAS mother: Euphemia De MORHAM

3rd generation

3. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m1. Christian De RAMSAY m2. Margaret STEWART
m. Christian De RAMSAY
m. Margaret STEWART father: Robert III King Of Scots mother: Annabella DRUMMOND
4. James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m1. Beatrice STEWART m2. Beatrice SINCLAIR
m. Beatrice STEWART father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Margaret GRAHAM, Countess Of Menteith
m. Beatrice SINCLAIR father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jean HALYBURTON
5. Mary DOUGLAS m1. David STEWART, Duke Of Rothesay m2. Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun
m. David STEWART, Duke Of Rothesay father: Robert III King Of Scots mother: Annabella DRUMMOND
m. Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun father: Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun
6. Joan DOUGLAS m. Murdoch STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany
m. Murdoch STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Margaret GRAHAM, Countess Of Menteith

4th generation

7. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m. Eupheme GRAHAM
m. Eupheme GRAHAM father: Sir Patrick GRAHAM, Earl Of Strathern mother: Eupheme STEWART, Countess Palatine Of Strathern
9. Elizabeth DOUGLAS m1. John STEWART, Earl Of Buchan m2. Sir Thomas STEWART m3. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness
m. John STEWART, Earl Of Buchan father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Muriel KEITH
m. Sir Thomas STEWART father: Sir Alexander STEWART, Earl Of Mar
m. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jill DOUGLAS
10. Mary DOUGLAS m. Sir Simon GLENDINNING
m. Sir Simon GLENDINNING father: Sir Adam GLENDINNING mother: Margaret De WAUCHOPE
14. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Moray m. Elizabeth DUNBAR
m. Elizabeth DUNBAR father: James DUNBAR, Earl Of Moray mother: Margaret SETON
15. Hugh DOUGLAS, Earl Of Ormond m.
19. Beatrice DOUGLAS m1. Sir William HAY, Earl Of Erroll m2. Arthur FORBES
m. Sir William HAY, Earl Of Erroll father: Gilbert HAY mother: Alice HAY
m. Arthur FORBES father: Sir William FORBES mother: Agnes FRASER
20. Janet DOUGLAS m. Robert FLEMING, Lord Fleming
m. Robert FLEMING, Lord Fleming father: Sir Malcolm FLEMING mother: Elizabeth STEWART
21. Margaret DOUGLAS m. Sir Henry DOUGLAS
m. Sir Henry DOUGLAS father: Sir James DOUGLAS, Lord Dalkeith mother: Elizabeth STEWART
23. John HALYBURTON, Lord Dirletoun m. Janet SETON
m. Janet SETON father: Sir William SETON mother: Janet DUNBAR
27. Robert STEWART m.

5th generation

31. Margaret DOUGLAS, Countess Of Douglas m1. William DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m2. James DOUGLAS, K.G., Earl Of Douglas m3. Sir John STEWART, Earl Of Atholl
m. William DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas father: James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas mother: Beatrice SINCLAIR
m. James DOUGLAS, K.G., Earl Of Douglas father: James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas mother: Beatrice SINCLAIR
m. Sir John STEWART, Earl Of Atholl father: Sir James STEWART, Black Knight Of Lorn mother: Joan De BEAUFORT
32. Margaret STEWART m. George SETON, Lord Seton
m. George SETON, Lord Seton father: Sir William SETON mother: Janet DUNBAR
33. Elizabeth SINCLAIR m1. Sir Andrew LESLIE, Master Of Rothes m2. Sir John HOUSTOUN Of That Ilk
m. Sir Andrew LESLIE, Master Of Rothes father: George LESLIE, Earl Of Rothes mother: Christian HALYBURTON
m. Sir John HOUSTOUN Of That Ilk father: Sir Patrick HOUSTOUN Of That Ilk mother: Mary COLQUHOUN
34. William SINCLAIR, Lord Sinclair m. Christian LESLIE
m. Christian LESLIE father: George LESLIE, Earl Of Rothes mother: Christian HALYBURTON
35. Janet GLENDINNING m. Gilbert GRIERSON
m. Gilbert GRIERSON father: Malcolm MacGREGOR
45. William HAY, Earl Of Erroll m1. Isabel GORDON m2. Elizabeth LESLIE m3.
m. Isabel GORDON father: Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntley mother: Annabella STEWART
m. Elizabeth LESLIE father: George LESLIE, Earl Of Rothes mother: Christian HALYBURTON
47. Isabel HAY m. Laurence OLIPHANT, Lord Oliphant
m. Laurence OLIPHANT, Lord Oliphant father: Sir John OLIPHANT mother: Margaret OGILVY
48. Elizabeth HAY m1. Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntley m2. Andrew GREY, Lord Grey
m. Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntley father: Alexander SETON, Lord Gordon, Earl Of Huntley mother: Elizabeth CRICHTON
m. Andrew GREY, Lord Grey father: Patrick GRAY, Master Of Gray mother: Annabel FORBES
49. Margaret HAY m1. Alexander FRASER m2. Sir Gilbert KEITH m3. Sir Robert DOUGLAS
m. Alexander FRASER father: Sir Alexander FRASER mother: Marjorie MENZIES
m. Sir Gilbert KEITH
m. Sir Robert DOUGLAS father: Sir Robert DOUGLAS mother: Elizabeth BOSWELL
50. Maria HAY m. Alexander FORBES
m. Alexander FORBES father: Sir William FORBES mother: Agnes FRASER
51. Elizabeth FLEMING m. James LIVINGSTON, Lord Livingston
m. James LIVINGSTON, Lord Livingston father: Alexander LIVINGSTON
53. Malcolm FLEMING m. Eupheme LIVINGSTON
m. Eupheme LIVINGSTON father: James LIVINGSTON, Lord Livingston mother: Marian
59. George HALYBURTON, Lord Dirletoun m. Mariot
m. Mariot