Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of March Or Dunbar Death: 11 Nov 1368
- Sir John DUNBAR Birth: 1
Death: Before Jul 1368
Bibliography
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Ravilious, John, Patrick, Earl of Dunbar and Agnes Randolph: Conjectures. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/28/2005. Subject: Patrick, Earl of Dunbar and Agnes Randolph: Conjectures. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/5-If8RnE6wI/m/U_kSv1OXfxwJ. Author address: therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/28/2005-232136].
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Ravilious, John, George Dunbar, earl of March. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/7/2007. Subject: George Dunbar, earl of March. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/0T5fp9DryyA/m/f4XlydVoTkgJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 3/7/2007-080037].
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Ravilious, John, birthdate of Patrick Earl of Dunbar. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 5/6/2006. Subject: CP Correction: Patrick, Earl of Dunbar - "b. about 1285". Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/rHyNhN8q1kc/m/rzqM4Qa7zvAJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 5/6/2006-221036].
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Ravilious, John, Dunbar dilemmas. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 8/3/2005. Subject: Dunbar dilemmas: Patrick, [8th] Earl of Dunbar. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/82yl0dCyvKU/m/BndQcKiM8EoJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 8/3/2005-080217].
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Ravilious, John, Earls of March 1308-1368, in The Scottish Genealogist, vol LXV no 3 (Sep 2018), pp92-99. Available at https://independent.academia.edu/JohnRavilious. This article at https://www.academia.edu/43672940/The_Earls_of_March_1308_1368_TSG_LXV_3_. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Ravilious EarlsMarch p[0-9]*].
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Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
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Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP III p[0-9]*].
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Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
- date:
- abt 1285 [Ref: CP IV p507]
- age 21 or more in 1297 [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 5/6/2006-221036]
- before 13 Jun 1271 [Ref: Ravilious EarlsMarch p93, Ravilious EarlsMarch
p94],
- parents:
- [Ref: CP IV p507, John Ravilious SGM 3/7/2007-080037, Ravilious
EarlsMarch p94, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p221]
- Sir Patrick DUNBAR & ___ COMYN [Ref: SP III p264]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- abt 1324 [Ref: Ravilious EarlsMarch p94]
- before 16 Jan 1323/4, when his son Patrick was identified as Earl of
March in a post-nuptial marriage dispensation [Ref: John Ravilious SGM
11/28/2005-232136]
Sources with Information about marriage to Ermengarde De SOULIS
- date:
- abt 1303 [Ref: SP III p268]
- in or shortly before 1303 [Ref: CP IV p507],
- child:
- [Ref: CP IV p508(b), Ravilious EarlsMarch p94, SP III p269]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Agnes DUNBAR (#153420) wife of Sir James DOUGLAS [Ref: CP IV p39]
Research Notes:
8th Earl of March or Dunbar, of Earldom cr 1115? [Ref: CP IV p507]
9th Earl of Dunbar [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p221]
Earl of Dunbar [Ref: CP IV p39]
1st Earl of Moray, of Earldom cr 1346 [Ref: CP IX p171]
inherited Barony of Beanley from father [Ref: Sanders Baronies p106]
before 22 Jul 1298: knight [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 5/6/2006-221036]
shown as age 24 in IPM of his father on 8 Mar 1308/9, but that is clearly
inaccurate [Ref: Ravilious EarlsMarch p92]
18 Aug 1320: received a dispensation to marry, which states he and Agnes
RANDOLPH were related in the fourth degree; but on 16 Jan 1323/4 they
received a second dispensation narrating that they were really within the
third and fourth degrees of consanguinity [Ref: SP III p268]
on the death of his brother-in-law, he assumed the title of Earl of Moray
[Ref: CP IV p508 (with corr in XIV p283)]
1335: withdrew his allegiance from Edward III, who granted Barony of
Beanley to Henry de Percy d.1352 of Annwick [Ref: Sanders Baronies p106]
There are a number of problems with the Dunbar pedigree in SP, and as noted,
the conflict with the account in CP highlights the need for care and
correction. One particular problem (or group of problems) is the account in CP
for the "8th Earl", Patrick [1].
A. The account states that Patrick was "b. about 1285", and makes
statements later in the same and next sentences based on this; unfortunately,
no documentation is cited for this, which appears to be surmised from the
statement under the previous account for Patrick's father that "He m., in or
shortly before 1282, Marjory, da. of Alexander (COMYN), Earl of Buchan...."
[2]. The date given in that account also unfortunately is provided with no
documentation, or justificiation.
Besides the siege of Caerlaverock in 1300, Patrick was present with his
father at the Battle of Falkirk in the English (or Anglo-Scottish) army, 22
July 1298. He is recorded as Sir Patrick de Dunbar at that time [3]: if the
account in CP is to be taken literally, we are then to believe he was aged
"about 13", and a knight at that, when in arms at Falkirk. Perhaps someone
else among the list would care to comment on the possibility (or plausibility)
of a young noble, aged say 12 to 14 and not a member of the royal family,
being knighted in 1298 or before. It seems more likely that he was aged 18, or
more, at the time of Falkirk, and therefore born say 1280 or before.
This is an important issue, in that given the death of Earl Patrick of
Dunbar following his resignation of the Earldom to his kinsman George Dunbar
on 25 July 1368 we are to believe that he was then aged say 88, or more [if he
was in fact born in 1280 or before].
B. The account for this Earl Patrick further states that "He m., 1stly, in
or shortly before 1303, Ermengarde" and that she was pregnant in 1304; he
subsequently married Agnes Randolph sometime after Sept. 1320. There is no
documentation cited for the 1303 date for the marriage to Ermengarde: this
unfortunately also appears to be a forced date, between the alleged birthdate
for Patrick of "about 1285" and the birthdate of a son Patrick given as 1304
[4].
This matter deserves further study, but I am of the opinion that there has
been a conflation of the careers of two Earls of Dunbar into this account:
1. Patrick "the 8th Earl", b. say 1270-1280, married to Ermengarde; and
2. Patrick ["Earl 8.5"], their son, born say 1304 or before, who married
Agnes Randolph, fathered sons Patrick and John (both d.s.p.), resigned the
Earldom to his cousin (1st cousin once removed) George Dunbar and d. on 11
Nov. 1368. [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 8/3/2005-080217]
Pedigree of Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of March Or Dunbar
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Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
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Gospatric II Earl Of Dunbar, Baron Of Beanley
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(Unk Dau)
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Gospatric Earl Of Dunbar
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Arkil Morel
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Sybil
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Waltheof Earl Of Dunbar
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Derdere
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Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of Dunbar
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Aline
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Sir Parick DUNBAR, Earl Of Dunbar
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Mael Coluim Ceann Moir (Malcolm III) Canmore Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots
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David I The Saint King Of Scots
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Saint Margaret Of Scotland
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Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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Judith Of Lens
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William The Lion King Of Scots
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William De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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Gundred
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Ada De WARENNE
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
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Ada
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Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of Dunbar
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Sir Robert De BRUS
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Adam De BRUS
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Robert De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
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Sir William RAMSAY
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Emma
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Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale
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William PAYNEL
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Fulk PAYNEL
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Agnes PAYNEL
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William FITZ ANSCULF, Baron Of Dudley
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Beatrix
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William De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale
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Eudes Count Of Champagne, Lord Of Holderness
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Stephen Of Aumale, Lord Of Holderness
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Adelaide Of Normandy
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Ingelran Of Aumale
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Ralph De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
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Hawise De MORTIMER
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Milicent
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Euphemia
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Euphemia
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Alan Fitz Flaald
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Fleald Fitz Alan
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Alan FITZ FLEALD
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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(Unk) De HESDIN
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Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
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Avelina De HESDIN
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Emmeline
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Christina
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Thomas Of London
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Sechym De MOILE
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Sir Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of March Or Dunbar
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(Unk) De CANTELOWE
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Richard
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Roger FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Warkworth
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Robert Le BIGOT
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Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
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Jane BIGOD
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Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir
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Alice De TOENI
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Adelais
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Robert FITZ ROGER, Baron Of Whalton
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Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Beatrix
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Alice De VERE
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
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Rohese GIFFARD
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Adeliza De CLARE
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Hugh Count Of Clermont
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Adeliza De CLERMONT
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Margaret De Roucy
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John FITZ ROBERT, MC Surety
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Alberic De Cadomo
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Walter De CAEN
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Robert FITZWALTER
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William De CHESNEY
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Ralph De CHESNEY
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Ralph De CHESNEY
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Sibyl Of Rudham
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Matilda
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Margery De CHESNEY, Lady Of Horsford
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Guy ANGEVIN
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Baldwin Fitz GUY
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Gilla
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Cecilia
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Hugh De BALLIOL
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Bernard I De BALLIOL, Baron Of Bywell
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Bernard II De BALLIOL, Baron Of Bywell
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Matilda
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Eustace De BALLIOL, Baron Of Bywell
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Agnes De PICQUIGNY
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Hugh De BALIOL, Baron Of Bywell
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Petronell
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Ada De BALIOL
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Enguerrand De FONTAINES
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Aleaume De FONTAINES, Lord Of Fontaines
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Cicely De FONTAINES
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Walter De St VALERY
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Bernard De St VALERY
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Elizabeth De MONTHERY
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Reginald De St VALERY, Baron Of Beckley
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Matilda
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Laure De St VALERY
Patrick DUNBAR, Earl Of March Or Dunbar
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(Unk) De COMYN
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(Unk) De COMYN
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Richard COMYN
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William COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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Waltheof Of Tynedale
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Uchtred Of Tynedale
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Hextilde of Tynedale
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Crinan The Thane Abbot Of Dunkeld
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Donnchad (Duncan I) Mac CRINAN, King Of Scots
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Bethoc
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Domnall Bane (Donald) Mac DONNCHAD, King Of Scots
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Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
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Sibylia Of Northumbria
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Aelflaed
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Bethoc Of Scotland
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Alexander COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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Colban Earl Of Buchan
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Roger Earl Of Buchan
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Cainneach (Kenneth)
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Gartnach Mormaer Of Buchan
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Eve Countess Of Buchan
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Gillemichel MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife
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Ete
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Fergus Earl Of Buchan
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Margaret Countess Of Buchan
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Marjory COMYN
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Saher De QUINCEY, Lord Of Buckby In Northampto
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Robert De QUINCEY
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Ranulph Le Rich
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Simon De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud De ST LIZ
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Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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Judith Of Lens
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Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret
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William Lord Of Leuchars
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Ness Of Leuchars
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Orabella
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Roger De QUINCY, Earl Of Winchester
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Roger De Beaumont
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Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Adelise Of Meulan
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
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Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester
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Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
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Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
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Emma Fitz Osbern
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Amicia De Gael
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Margaret BEAUMONT
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Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
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Robert De GRANTMESNIL
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Adeliza Of Beaumont
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William De GRANTMESNIL
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Robert De Estouteville
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Emma De Estouteville
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Beatrix
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Petronilla De GRANTMESNIL
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Elizabeth De QUINCY
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Fergus Lord Of Galloway
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Uchtred Of Galloway
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Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
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Sibyl/Elizabeth
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Sibyl CORBET
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Roland Lord Of Galloway, Constable Of Scotland
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Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
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Waltheof Baron Of Allendale
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(Unk Dau)
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Gunnild Of Dunbar
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Sigrid
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Alan Lord Of Galloway, Constable Of Scotland
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(Unk) De MORVILLE
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Hugh De MORVILLE, Constable Of Scotland
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Richard De MORVILLE, Constable Of Scotland
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Robert BEAUCHAMP
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Beatrice BEAUCHAMP
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Elena De MORVILLE
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Gilbert De LANCASTER, Baron Of Kendal
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William I De LANCASTER, Baron Of Kendal
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Goditha
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Avice De LANCASTER
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Helen Of Galloway
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Eustace Fitz John De BURGO, Constable Of Chester
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Richard FITZ EUSTACE, Constable Of Chester
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Agnes De HALTON
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John Fitz Richard, Constable Of Chester
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Robert LIZOURS
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Albreada LIZOURS, Baroness Of Pontfract
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Aubrey De LACY
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Roger De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
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Richard
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Roger FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Warkworth
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Jane BIGOD
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Alice Fitz Roger
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Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
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Alice De VERE
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Adeliza De CLARE
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(Unk Dau) De LACY
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Ebrard III Seigneur De Puiset
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Hugh III Seigneur De Puiset, Vicount Chartres
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Adelaide Of Corbeil
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Ebrard IV Seigneur De Puiset, Vicount Chartres
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Stephen Count Of Blois, Leader Of First Crusade
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Agnes
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Adela
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Maud De CLERE
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Heloise De ROUCY
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