Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. William De SAY Birth: 1 Death: Before 8 Mar 1197/8
  2. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich Birth: Abt 1180 Death: 19 Aug 1230 in Poitou

Marriage: Children:
  1. Geoffrey De SAY Death: Abt 1265

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  6. Fowler, G Herbert, Mandeville, Fitz Geoffrey, and Beauchamp of Eaton, in The Genealogist, New Series, v29 (Oct 1912). NYPL *ZAN-G233 Reels 18-32. LDS Film#086970. Journal available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/14199. Article available at https://familysearch.org/search/film/008649244 images 259-262. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Fowler Mandeville p[0-9]*].
  7. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  8. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  9. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  10. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
second son [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p681]
second son, much later than 1135 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p465)]
younger son [Ref: Sanders Baronies p71],
parents:
[Ref: CP IV AppH p669, CP V p116f, CP V p121, CP XI p465, Fowler Mandeville p85, Keats-Rohan DD p681, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p561, Sanders Baronies p71]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
date:
prob not later than 1135 [Ref: CP XI p465]
Sources for death Information
date:
1214 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98]
between 1212 and 1214 [Ref: CP XI p468]
in or before 1214 [Ref: CP XI p466]
shortly before 19 May 1214 [Ref: CP V p116f, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
Sources with Information about marriage to Alice De CHESNEY
date:
after abt Dec 1175, before 1180, as second marriage of Alice [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]
before 1180 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
between 1175 and 1180 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p465)]
first marriage of Geoffrey and second of Alice [Ref: CP V p116f]
second marriage of Alice [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p368, Keats-Rohan DD p632],
child:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p468), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
names:
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de MAMINOT (#150021) (widow of Ralph de CAHAINES) [Ref: CP XI p467]
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de MAMINOT (#150021) [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98]
Geoffrey de SAY (#150354) & Alice dau of John de CHESNEY [Ref: CP XI p470]
Sources with Information about marriage to Alice De VERE
date:
second marriage of Geoffrey [Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p467, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98(1)],
names:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p235],
child:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p467(o), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
Research Notes:
of Edmonton, Middlesex, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Denham, Suffolk, Saddlescombe, Sussex, Bellencombre, Eterville, Fontaine-Etoupefour, Fresnay-le-Long, Les Moulineaux, Quesnai, and Till ad Thieville in Normandy, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
of Edmonton, Middlesex, Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Denham, Suffolk, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555]

heir-male of his brother William [Ref: CP XI p465]

inherited Barony of Pleshy from mother, as younger son [Ref: Sanders Baronies p71]

possibly a third marriage to Alice, daughter of Henry of Essex of Rayleigh [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98(1)]

1196-98: appears with his son in two charters concerning the manor of Rickling (Essex), with Geoffrey the father describing himself as Geoffrey the son of William de Say [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]

1 Jan 1198: with his son Geoffrey, made a grant to the hospital of Drincourt providing for prayers for the soul of Alice "de Kaisneio", the mother of the younger Geoffrey [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]

1198: Bailiff of Arques [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]

a series of Bermondsey charters shows an original grant by Walkelin Maminot, successively confirmed by Geoffrey de Say, later by his son Geoffrey de Say (describing himself as the son of Geoffrey de Say and of Alice "de Chemunei") and eventually by William de Say (mentioning his wife Sibyl and referring to the gifts of his father Geoffrey and his grandfather Geoffrey) [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]

possibly a third marriage, to Alice, dau of Henry of Essex [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98(1)]



Pedigree of Geoffrey De SAY
                   /-----William De SAY
          /-----Jordan De SAY
         |        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
         |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
         |        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
         |        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
         |        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
         |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
         |                 |                                    /-----Ivo
         |                 |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
         |                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |         \-----Emma
         |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
         |                           \-----Judith
 /-----William De SAY
|        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
|        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
|         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
Geoffrey De SAY
|                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |         \-----Athelaise
 \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
         |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
         |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
          \-----Margaret RIE
                  |                                             /-----William Longspee Duke Of Normandy
                  |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
                  |                                   |         \-----Espriota
                  |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
                  |                          |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                  |                          |         \-----Gunnora
                  |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
                  |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                   \-----Rohais
                           |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
                           |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
                           |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                           |        |         \-----Wevie
                            \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                                    |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
                                     \-----Ermengarde FLATEL



Descendants of Geoffrey De SAY
1. Geoffrey De SAY m1. Alice De CHESNEY m2. Alice De VERE
m. Alice De CHESNEY father: John De CHESNEY mother: Sibil
m. Alice De VERE father: Aubrey III De VERE, Earl Of Oxford mother: Agnes Lucia Of Essex

2nd generation

3. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Hawise De CLARE
m. Hawise De CLARE father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety mother: Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
4. Geoffrey De SAY m1. m2. Margaret De BRIWERE m3. Aline
m. Margaret De BRIWERE father: Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley mother: Beatrice De VALLE
m. Aline

3rd generation

5. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

4th generation

11. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
12. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
13. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
14. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
15. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
16. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth

5th generation

17. William De CHEYNE m. Margaret De SHURLAND
m. Margaret De SHURLAND father: Sir Robert De SHURLAND mother: Margery
18. Bartholomew De SUDELEY m. Maud De MONTFORT
m. Maud De MONTFORT father: John De MONTFORT, Lord Montfort mother: Alice De La PLAUNCHE
22. William MARSHALL, Lord Marshall m. Christian FITZ ROBERT
m. Christian FITZ ROBERT father: Sir Robert FITZ WALTER, Lord Fitz Walter mother: Devorguilla De BURGH
25. Mary De SAY m. John De NORTHWODE
m. John De NORTHWODE father: John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode mother: Joan De BADLESMERE
26. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH