Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. William De SAY Birth: 1 Death: Before 8 Mar 1197/8
  2. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich Birth: Abt 1180 Death: 19 Aug 1230 in Poitou

Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  4. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  5. Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  7. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p368],
father:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467), Keats-Rohan DD p1027 (with corr on proposon web site), Keats-Rohan DD p632, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
___ CHETNAY or CHEINNEI [Ref: CP XI p467(o)]
Sources for death Information
date:
living 1185 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]
Sources with Information about marriage to Hugh De PERERS
date:
first marriage of Alice [Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467), Keats-Rohan DD p368, Keats-Rohan DD p632, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
Sources with Information about marriage to Geoffrey De SAY
date:
after abt Dec 1175, before 1180, as second marriage of Alice [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]
before 1180 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
between 1175 and 1180 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p465)]
first marriage of Geoffrey and second of Alice [Ref: CP V p116f]
second marriage of Alice [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p368, Keats-Rohan DD p632],
child:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p468), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
names:
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de MAMINOT (#150021) (widow of Ralph de CAHAINES) [Ref: CP XI p467]
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de MAMINOT (#150021) [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98]
Geoffrey de SAY (#150354) & Alice dau of John de CHESNEY [Ref: CP XI p470]
Research Notes:
coheir of father [Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]

1182: heiress to her cousin, Walkelin de MARMINOT, of West Greenwich, Kent [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]

1185: with husband Geoffrey, made a gift to Brockley (later Bayham Abbey) with the assent of Gilbert, bishop of Rochester (who did not succeed until that year) [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p467)]



Pedigree of Alice De CHESNEY
                            /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
                   /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
          /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
         |         \-----Matilda
 /-----John De CHESNEY
|        |                           /-----Sir Robert De Courbepine
|        |                  /-----Gilbert De MAMINOT, Bishop Of Lisieux
|        |         /-----Hugh MAMINOT, Baron Of West Greenwich
|         \-----Alice MAMINOT
|                 |         /-----(Unk) PEVEREL
|                  \-----(Unk) PEVEREL
Alice De CHESNEY
 \-----Sibil



Descendants of Alice De CHESNEY
1. Alice De CHESNEY m1. Hugh De PERERS m2. Geoffrey De SAY
m. Hugh De PERERS father: (Unk) De PERERS
m. Geoffrey De SAY father: William De SAY mother: Beatrice De MANDEVILLE

2nd generation

3. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Hawise De CLARE
m. Hawise De CLARE father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety mother: Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester

3rd generation

4. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

4th generation

7. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
8. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
9. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
10. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
11. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
12. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth

5th generation

13. William De CHEYNE m. Margaret De SHURLAND
m. Margaret De SHURLAND father: Sir Robert De SHURLAND mother: Margery
14. Bartholomew De SUDELEY m. Maud De MONTFORT
m. Maud De MONTFORT father: John De MONTFORT, Lord Montfort mother: Alice De La PLAUNCHE
18. William MARSHALL, Lord Marshall m. Christian FITZ ROBERT
m. Christian FITZ ROBERT father: Sir Robert FITZ WALTER, Lord Fitz Walter mother: Devorguilla De BURGH
21. Mary De SAY m. John De NORTHWODE
m. John De NORTHWODE father: John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode mother: Joan De BADLESMERE
22. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH