Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 09-30-2024.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page


Family:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich Birth: Before 1209 Death: Before 12 Feb 1271/2
  2. Geoffrey De SAY
  3. Sir John De SAY

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  7. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  8. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
prob abt 1180 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p468), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562],
parents:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p468), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562],
father:
[Ref: CP XI p468, Sanders Baronies p98],
grandfather:
William de SAYE [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
date:
prob abt 1155 [Ref: CP XI p468],
mother:
Alice MAMINOT (#150021) [Ref: CP XI p468, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources for death Information
date:
[Ref: CP V p116f, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563]
1230 [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, Sanders Baronies p123, Sanders Baronies p98]
1230, shortly before 26 Aug (19? Aug) [Ref: CP XI p470 (with corr in XIV p571)],
place:
[Ref: CP XI p470, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563]
Sources for burial Information
place:
[Ref: CP XI p470, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563]
Sources with Information about marriage to Hawise De CLARE
date:
before 1215 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p183],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP XI p470, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
names:
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de CHESNEY (#150350) [Ref: CP XI p470]
Geoffrey de SAY (2nd marriage) & Margery de BRIWERRE (#14123) [Ref: CP XI p470, Sanders Baronies p98]
Research Notes:
Knt, of Edmonton, Middlesex, West Greenwich, Birling, Cudham, and Keston, Kent, Leckhampstead, Buckinghamshire, Kimpton and Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Hartwell, Northamptonshire, Allington and Hamsey, Streat, etc, Sussex, etc [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
Knt, of Edmonton, Middlesex [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p183]
of West Greenwich, Birling, Cudham, Keston, etc, Kent, Leckhampstead, Buckinghamshire, Kimpton and Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, Edmonton, Middlesex, Hartwell, Northamptonshire, Allington, Hamsey, Saddlecombe, Streat, etc, Sussex, etc [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

second but eldest surviving son and heir [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]

heir of his father [Ref: CP XI p468, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

inherited Barony of West Greenwich from mother [Ref: Sanders Baronies p97]

paid 400m for his lands of the Barony of West Greenwich [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98(1)]

incorrectly identified in CP XI p468 as the Geoffrey de Say mentioned in several records of 1180 and probably also the one from 1198 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p468)]

1197-98: confirmed his father's grant of the manor of Rickling, Essex, to his half-brother Geoffrey de Say [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

1202: Ralph Tesson, Seneschal of Normandy, was ordered to see that Geoffrey de Say had a hundred librates (of the money of Anjou) for the land of Juhel de Mayenne to replace the land which he had lost through the war [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

1208: Sheriff of Kent was directed to put Geoffrey de Say the younger into possession that that moiety of the manor of Burn, Sussex, which Ralph Tesson held [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

1214: made fine in 400 marks to have his father's lands; in the same year the sheriffs of Kent, Herts, Bucks, Sussex, Middlesex, and Northampton had orders to give him seisin of the lands which had been his father's [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]

one of the Barons opposed to King John, and one of the 25 Barons of Magna Charta [Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]



Pedigree of Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
                            /-----William De SAY
                   /-----Jordan De SAY
                  |        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
                  |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
                  |        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
                  |        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
                  |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
                  |                 |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
                  |                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
                  |                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
                  |                 |        |         \-----Emma
                  |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
                  |                           \-----Judith
          /-----William De SAY
         |        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
         |        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
         |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
 /-----Geoffrey De SAY
|        |                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |        |         \-----Athelaise
|         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
|                 |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
|                 |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
|                  \-----Margaret RIE
|                          |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|                          |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
|                          |                          |         \-----Gunnora
|                          |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
|                          |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|                           \-----Rohais
|                                   |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
|                                   |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
|                                   |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|                                   |        |         \-----Wevie
|                                    \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|                                            |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
|                                             \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
|                                    /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|                           /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|                  /-----Ralph De CHESNEY
|                 |         \-----Matilda
|         /-----John De CHESNEY
|        |        |                           /-----Sir Robert De Courbepine
|        |        |                  /-----Gilbert De MAMINOT, Bishop Of Lisieux
|        |        |         /-----Hugh MAMINOT, Baron Of West Greenwich
|        |         \-----Alice MAMINOT
|        |                 |         /-----(Unk) PEVEREL
|        |                  \-----(Unk) PEVEREL
 \-----Alice De CHESNEY
          \-----Sibil



Descendants of Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
1. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Hawise De CLARE
m. Hawise De CLARE father: Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety mother: Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester

2nd generation

2. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

3rd generation

5. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
6. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
7. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
8. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
9. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
10. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth

4th generation

11. William De CHEYNE m. Margaret De SHURLAND
m. Margaret De SHURLAND father: Sir Robert De SHURLAND mother: Margery
12. Bartholomew De SUDELEY m. Maud De MONTFORT
m. Maud De MONTFORT father: John De MONTFORT, Lord Montfort mother: Alice De La PLAUNCHE
16. William MARSHALL, Lord Marshall m. Christian FITZ ROBERT
m. Christian FITZ ROBERT father: Sir Robert FITZ WALTER, Lord Fitz Walter mother: Devorguilla De BURGH
19. Mary De SAY m. John De NORTHWODE
m. John De NORTHWODE father: John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode mother: Joan De BADLESMERE
20. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH

5th generation

22. Sir Robert De CHEYNE m.
24. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley m. Eleanor SCALES
m. Eleanor SCALES father: Sir Robert De SCALES, Lord Scales mother: Egeline De COURTENAY
27. Hawise MARSHALL, Baroness Marshall m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley
m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley father: William De MORLEY, Lord Morley mother: Cecily De MOHAUT
29. Joan De NORTHWODE m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill
m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill father: Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill mother: Joan De La HYDE
30. Juliane De SAY m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode
m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode father: John De NORTHWODE mother: Agnes De GRANDISON
31. Katherine De SAY m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham
m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham father: John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham mother: Margery
35. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP
m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick mother: Alice De TOENI