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Family:
Children:
  1. Maud De SAY
  2. Geoffrey De SAY
  3. Robert De SAY

Marriage:
Marriage:
Bibliography
  1. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 05 E-Goojerat. London: St Catherine Press, 1926. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP V [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Phillips, Chris, Corrections and Additions to the Complete Peerage, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/index.shtml Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP++ .*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1[pc][0-9]*].
  7. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  8. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: CP V p116f, CP XI p467(o), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
Sources for death Information
date:
1265/71 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
abt 1265-71, before 1271 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919]
living 21 Feb 1215/6 [Ref: CP V p116f]
Sources with Information about marriage to unknown
date:
first marriage of Geoffrey [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)],
names:
Geoffrey de SAY & unk first wife [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)],
child:
[Ref: CP XI p467(o), Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
Sources with Information about marriage to Margaret De BRIWERE
date:
before Mich 1225 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
by Nov 1225 [Ref: CP++ Say 2/11/2003 (CP XI p470)]
second marriage of Geoffrey [Ref: Sanders Baronies p98(1)]
second marriage of Geoffrey and third of Margaret [Ref: CP XI p470]
third marriage of Margaret [Ref: Sanders Baronies p123],
divorced:
before Hillary term 1230 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
names:
Geoffrey de SAY (#150354) & Margery de BRIWERRE, but divored [Ref: CP XI p470, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources with Information about marriage to Aline
date:
before 1239-40 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]
second marriage of Aline [Ref: CP IX p397]
Research Notes:
(second son named Geoffrey) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]

Knt, of Rickling, Essex, and Denham, Suffolk [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p555, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]

ancestor of the Says of Rickling, Essex [Ref: CP XI p467(o)]

described as son of Geoffrey de Say and Alice de Ver, made a grant to Walden Abbey as "dominus de Rikelyng" between 1216 and 1226 [Ref: CP XI p467(o)]

heir in 1273 was John de Say, of Denham, Suffolk, and Rickling, Essex [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563(25)]



Pedigree of Geoffrey De SAY
                            /-----William De SAY
                   /-----Jordan De SAY
                  |        |                  /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
                  |        |         /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
                  |        |        |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
                  |        |        |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
                  |         \-----Agnes De GRANDMESNIL
                  |                 |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
                  |                 |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
                  |                 |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
                  |                 |        |         \-----Emma
                  |                  \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
                  |                           \-----Judith
          /-----William De SAY
         |        |                  /-----Rainfred De RUMILLY
         |        |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
         |         \-----Lucy De RUMILLY
 /-----Geoffrey De SAY
|        |                  /-----Geoffrey De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |         /-----William De MANDEVILLE, Baron Of Pleshy
|        |        |         \-----Athelaise
|         \-----Beatrice De MANDEVILLE
|                 |                  /-----Hubert De Ryes
|                 |         /-----Eudo De RIE, Dapifer
|                  \-----Margaret RIE
|                          |                                    /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|                          |                           /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
|                          |                          |         \-----Gunnora
|                          |                  /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
|                          |         /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|                           \-----Rohais
|                                   |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
|                                   |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
|                                   |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|                                   |        |         \-----Wevie
|                                    \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|                                            |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
|                                             \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
Geoffrey De SAY
|                           /-----Alberic De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|                  /-----Alberic II De VERE, Baron Of Hedingham
|                 |         \-----Beatrix
|         /-----Aubrey III De VERE, Earl Of Oxford
|        |        |                                             /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|        |        |                                    /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
|        |        |                                   |         \-----Gunnora
|        |        |                           /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
|        |        |                  /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |         /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
|        |        |        |        |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Wevie
|        |        |        |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
|        |        |        |                 |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
|        |        |        |                  \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
|        |         \-----Adeliza De CLARE
|        |                 |                                    /-----Renaud
|        |                 |                           /-----Hugh Butler Of France
|        |                 |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
|        |                 |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
|        |                 |        |         \-----Ermengardis
|        |                  \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
|        |                          |                           /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
|        |                          |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
|        |                          |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
|        |                          |        |         \-----Anonima
|        |                           \-----Margaret De Roucy
|        |                                   |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
|        |                                   |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
|        |                                   |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
|        |                                    \-----Adele De Roucy
|        |                                            |         /-----Regnier IV Count Of Hainault
|        |                                             \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
|        |                                                      \-----Hedwig Of France
 \-----Alice De VERE
         |                                    /-----Robert Fitz WINMARK
         |                           /-----Swain Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
         |                          |         \-----Beatrix
         |                  /-----Robert FITZ SURIN Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
         |                 |        |                           /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
         |                 |        |                  /-----Hugh With The Beard De Montfort
         |                 |        |         /-----Hugh De Montfort, Baron Of Haughley
         |                 |         \-----(Unk Dau) De Montfort
         |         /-----Henry Of Essex, Baron Of Rayleigh
         |        |        |                  /-----Robert Le BIGOT
         |        |        |         /-----Roger BIGOD, Baron Of Framlingham
         |        |         \-----Gunnor BIGOD
         |        |                 |                           /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
         |        |                 |                  /-----Roger I De TOENI
         |        |                 |         /-----Robert De TOENI, Lord Of Belvoir
         |        |                 |        |        |         /-----Raimond Borrel Count Of Barcelona
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Stephanie Of Barcelona
         |        |                 |        |                  \-----Ermisende
         |        |                  \-----Alice De TOENI
         |        |                           \-----Adelais
          \-----Agnes Lucia Of Essex
                  |                           /-----(Unk) De VALOINES
                  |                  /-----Piers De VALOINES, Baron Of Bennington
                  |         /-----Roger De VALOINES, Baron Of Bennington
                  |        |        |         /-----Nigel I
                  |        |         \-----Aubrey De St SAUVEUR
                   \-----Cicely De VALOGNES
                           |                           /-----Ranulf The Moneyer
                           |                  /-----Richard FITZRANULF
                           |         /-----John FITZRICHARD
                            \-----Agnes FITZJOHN De VESCY



Descendants of Geoffrey De SAY
1. Geoffrey De SAY m1. m2. Margaret De BRIWERE m3. Aline
m. Margaret De BRIWERE father: Sir William De BRIWERE, Baron Of Horsley mother: Beatrice De VALLE
m. Aline