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• Name: Margaret
• Sex: F
• Death: Abt 13 Dec 1338 ^d


Parents:
Mother:

• (Unk Dau) BELET

Family:
Marriage:

• John NEVILLE on 1 .^m1
  
• John NEVILLE Death: Abt 20 May 1282

Children:

1. Joan NEVILLE Death: 21 Jun 1345
2. Hugh De NEVILLE, Lord Neville Birth: 23 Aug 1276 in Little Hallingbury, Essex Death: Before 27 May 1335

Marriage:

• Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield on 1286 .^m2
  
• Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield Birth: Abt 1232 Death: 29 May 1299 in Boyton, Wiltshire

Children:

1. John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield Birth: 24 Jun 1287 Death: Abt May 1322 in Gloucester
2. Edmund GIFFORD

Bibliography

Sources for birth and parent Information

mother:

a daughter of a half-sibling of Walter and Godfrey Giffard [Ref: CP++(proposed) Giffard 12/31/2006 (CP V p643), CP++(proposed) Neville 12/31/2006 (CP IX p483)],

maternal-grandparents:

Ralph BELET and Sibyl de CORMEILLES [Ref: CP++(proposed) Giffard 12/31/2006 (CP V p643), CP++(proposed) Neville 12/31/2006 (CP IX p483)]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

parents:

Maurice de BERKELEY (#10538) & Isabel Fitz ROY (#10539) [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/7/1999],

grandfather:

Hugh GIFFORD of Boyton, Wilts (#153741) [Ref: CP IX p483(j)]

Sources for death Information

date:

in or before Dec 1338 [Ref: CP IX p484]

probably living 10 Feb 1337/8 [Ref: NevillER NEVILL-1907 p271]

shortly before 13 Dec 1338 [Ref: CP V p644, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p614]

Sources with Information about marriage to John NEVILLE

date:

first marriage of Margaret [Ref: CP V p643 (with corr in XIV p337), Davis LUNT p204, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p614],

names:

___ NEVILLE & Margaret [Ref: Davis LUNT p204],

child:

[Ref: CP IX p484, CP V p643 (with corr in XIV p337), CP XII/2 p647, Farnham Pedigrees p16, John Ravilious SGM 5/30/2003-142055, Massingberd NEVILL-1911 p7, NevillER NEVILL-1907 p145, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p654]

Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John GIFFORD, Lord Gifford Of Brimsfield

date:

[Ref: CP XII/2 p648(a), Richardson RoyalAnc v3p614]

1286, as second marriage of both [Ref: CP V p643]

second marriage of John [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p322]

second marriage of Margaret [Ref: CP IX p484]

second marriage of both [Ref: Davis LUNT p204],

child:

[Ref: CP V p644, Davis LUNT p204, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p322, Richardson RoyalAnc v3p614]

Research Notes:
at first sign it would appear that one of her parents was probably a son or a daughter of Hugh Giffard of Boyton, Wilts (yr son of Elis Giffard III (CP V p639(c))) by his wife Sibyl, daughter and coheir of Walter de Cormeilles. Walter Giffard, Archbishop of York, Keeper of the Tower of London, gave order 10 Mar 1271/2 that the Tower should be delivered to his nephew (by marriage) John de Neville. Godfred Giffard, Bishop of Worcester, the Archbishop's brother, and one of the executors of John de Neville of Essex, in his will mentions his neice Lady Margaret de Neville, widow of the late John Giffard (of Brimpsfield, the testator's first cousin). This relations of John de Neville's widow to the Archbishop and the Bishop of Worcester would produce the consanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree between herself and her second husband referred to in their applicaiton for a dispensation (CP V p643(a)), but since the Bishop on inquiry found judicially that they were each related in the 6th degree, the terms nephew and niece must apparently be used to denote a more distant relationship. [Ref: CP IX p483(j), CP V p639(c), CP V p643(a)]

But the evidence remains that, as stated above, Margaret's first husband John Neville is referred to as archbishop Walter Giffard's nepos in 1271/2, and that Margaret appears in bishop Godfrey Giffard's will as his neptis. In addition, in the bishop of Hereford's register, immediately before the record of the enquiry into the consanguinity of John Giffard and Margaret, is a letter from bishop Giffard requesting that the enquiry into the marriage of his (unnamed) neptis be carried out as soon as possible [Canterbury and York Society, vol. 6, p. 113 (1909)]. It seems clear that John Neville was not a nephew of Walter and Godfrey Giffard, so the natural interpretation is that - as suggested above - John was Walter's nephew by marriage, and Margaret was their niece.
The obvious solution is that Margaret was the daughter of a half-sibling of Walter and Godfrey Giffard on their mother's side. It appears that their mother Sibyl de Cormeilles had previously been married to Ralph Belet, but that her heir was a son of her marriage to Hugh Giffard (whom she survived). Therefore it seems likely that Margaret's mother was a daughter of Ralph Belet and Sibyl de Cormeilles. If this solution is correct, the allegation that John Giffard and Margaret were close cousins was perhaps the result of the mistaken belief in some quarters that Margaret's mother was a daughter of Hugh Giffard, rather than his step daughter. [Ref: CP++(proposed) Giffard 12/31/2006 (CP V p643), CP++(proposed) Neville 12/31/2006 (CP IX p483)]

identified as Margaret de la Warde [Ref: NevillER NEVILL-1907 p145]



Pedigree of Margaret
Margaret
|         /-----Ralph BELET
 \-----(Unk Dau) BELET
         |                                    /-----Ansfrid De CORMEILLES, Baron Of Tarrington
         |                           /-----Walter De CORMEILLES, Baron Of Tarrington
         |                          |        |                  /-----Hugh De LACY
         |                          |        |         /-----(Unk) De LACY
         |                          |         \-----(Unk) De LACY
         |                  /-----Richard De CORMEILLES, Baron Of Tarrington
         |                 |        |                           /-----Caradoc De La BOUSSAC
         |                 |        |                  /-----Baderon Baron Of Monmouth
         |                 |        |         /-----William Fitz BADERON, Baron Of Monmouth
         |                 |         \-----Margaret De MONMOUTH
         |                 |                  \-----Hawise
         |         /-----Walter De CORMEILLES, Baron Of Tarrington
         |        |        |                  /-----Odo CAMERARIUS, Chamberlain Of The Earl Of R
         |        |        |         /-----Robert CAMERARIUS, Chamberlain Of The Earl Of R
         |        |         \-----Beatrice
          \-----Sibyl De CORMEILLES



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