Genealogy of the Marshall Family,
including Medieval and Ancient Lines

Updated: 01-20-2025.

Submitted and Maintained by Bill Marshall, bill.marshall@verizon.net.


Additions and corrections appreciated (especially with sources). My current list of sources is here. Homepage here.

Index of Medieval and Ancient Lines is here, notable people here, and Gedcom available to be downloaded.

Index of Modern Lines (immigrants to America and their descendants) is here, notable people here, and Gedcom here.


Individual Page

    Person Info
  • Name: Joan De MORTIMER
  • Sex: F
  • Birth: 24 Nov 1291 in Caerphilly Castle b
  • Baptism: 24 Nov 1291 in Caerphilly Castle c
  • Death: Before 12 Jan 1340/1 d


    • Parents:
  • Father:
  • Hugh De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer Birth: Abt 1275 Death: 20 Jul 1304
    • Mother:
  • Maud Death: Abt 15 Feb 1307/8

Family:
Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. John TALBOT Birth: 29 Sep Abt 1317 Death: 20 Sep 1355
  2. Richard TALBOT Birth: 2 Death: 25 Nov 1369
  3. Thomas TALBOT
  4. Richard TALBOT

Bibliography
  1. Banks, Thomas Christopher, Baronia anglica concentrata: or, A concentrated account of all the baronies commonly called baronies in fee; deriving their origin from writ of summons, and not from any specific limited creation. London: Simpkin, 1844. Available at https://archive.org/details/baroniaanglicaco01bankuoft. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Banks Baronies v[1-2]p[0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 09, Moels-Nugent. London: St Catherine Press, 1936. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IX [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 12-1, Skelmersdale-Towton. London: St Catherine Press, 1953. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XII/1 [Ap][p0-9].*].
  4. Richardson, Douglas, Talbot of Richards Castle. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/5/2003. Subject: Another CP Correction: Talbot of Richard's Castle. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/W2zBRcR7Rf4/m/4tYUlb6JqA0J. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/5/2003-030124].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  6. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p[0-9]*].
  7. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].
  8. Sheppard, Walter Lee, Connections of Archbiship William La Zouche, TAG v49 (1973) pp1-12. Available at http://americanancestors.org/databases/american-genealogist-the/image/. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sheppard ZOUCHE p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
[Ref: CP IX p266, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
1291 [Ref: Sheppard ZOUCHE p2],
place:
[Ref: CP IX p265, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472],
parents:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p338, CP IX p265, CP XII/1 p629, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p471, Sheppard ZOUCHE p2],
father:
[Ref: Sanders Baronies p75]
Sources for baptism Information
date:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472],
place:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
Sources for death Information
date:
1341 [Ref: Sanders Baronies p75]
before 12 Jan 1340/1 [Ref: CP XII/1 p629]
before 12 Jan, 14 Edward III (1341) [Ref: CP IX p266]
shortly before 12 Jan 1340/1 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Thomas De BYKENORE
date:
Mich term 1307 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
before 12 Aug 1305 [Ref: CP IX p266]
first marriage of Joan [Ref: CP XII/1 p629, Sanders Baronies p75],
names:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p338]
Sources with Information about marriage to Richard TALBOT
date:
abt 1317, before 7 Aug 1320 [Ref: CP XII/1 p629]
before 7 Aug 1320 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
second marriage of Joan [Ref: CP IX p266 (with corr in XIV p488), Sanders Baronies p75],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v5p115],
child:
[Ref: Banks Baronies v1p338, CP XII/1 p629, CP XII/1 p630, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]
Research Notes:
coheir of her father [Ref: CP XII/1 p629, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]

inherited 1/2 of Barony of Richard's Castle from father [Ref: Sanders Baronies p75]

1308: coheiress to her great-uncle, William Mortimer, of Ham (in Clifton upon Teme), Worcestershire [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p472]

The correct birth order of the Talbot children is established by an undated royal petition of Joan (de Mortimer) Talbot, then a widow, in which she requested permission to settle property on certain trustees for the term of her life, with successive reversions to her four sons, John, Richard the elder, Thomas, and Richard the younger. The actual petition reads as follows:
"Joan Talbot, Lady of Richard's Castle, to the King:
Joan Thalebot widow of Richard Talbot, wished to give the manor of Richard's Castle (cos. Hereford and Salop) with the advowson of the church and of a perpetual chapel in Blethelawe (Bleddfa), belonging to the manor, and the manor of Bletheuau (Bleddfa) which is in South Wales in the cantred of Mellennythe (Maelienydd), and these following manors, Coderig (co. Worc.), Woodham Mortimer (co. Essex), with the half of the manor of Home (co. Worc.), the half of the manor of Karketon (co. Worc.), and of #10 of annual rent in Denton (co. Lincs), together with a certain prebend and three specified advowsons, to John de Wotton, chaplain, and William Balle of Underluch, to hold for the term of her life, after which the lands advowsons and reversions are to remain to John, her eldest son, and Juliana, his wife, and failing their lawful heirs, to the lawful heirs of John; but if John dies without lawful heir of his body, the lands and tenements are to go to Richard Thalebot, his eldest brother, and the lawful heirs of his body, and failing that, to Thomas Thalebot, his brother and the lawful heirs of his body; failing that to Richard Thalebot the younger, and the lawful heirs of his body; failing that, the aforesaid lands and tenements are to return to the petitioner and her heirs and assigns for ever." [Reference: W. Rees, Calendar of Ancient Petitions Relating to Wales (Board of Celtic Studies, Hist. & Law Ser. 28) (1975): 326-327].
In the above petition, we see that Joan Talbot specifically refers to John as "her eldest son," so there can be no confusion that John is her first born son. [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/5/2003-030124]



Pedigree of Joan De MORTIMER
                                                                /-----Ralph De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                                                       /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                                                      |         \-----Milicent
                                              /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron Of Wigmore
                                     /-----Robert De MORTIMER
                                    |        |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
                                    |        |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
                                    |        |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
                                    |         \-----Maud De MESCHINES
                                    |                 |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
                                    |                  \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
                            /-----Robert De MORTIMER
                   /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Baron of Richard's Castle
                  |        |                                    /-----Osborn FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Richard's Castle
                  |        |                           /-----Hugh FITZ OSBERN, Baron Of Richard's Castle
                  |        |                          |         \-----Nesta
                  |        |                  /-----Hugh De SAY, Baron Of Richard's Castle
                  |        |                 |        |         /-----Elias De SAY
                  |        |                 |         \-----Eustache De SAY
                  |        |                 |                  \-----Egelina
                  |        |         /-----Hugh De SAY, Baron Of Richard's Castle
                  |        |        |        |                  /-----Richard Fitz PONS, Baron Of Clifford
                  |        |        |        |         /-----Walter De CLIFFORD, Baron Of Clifford
                  |        |        |        |        |         \-----Maud Of Gloucester
                  |        |        |         \-----Lucy De CLIFFORD
                  |        |        |                 |         /-----Ralph IV De TOENI, Baron Of Flamstead
                  |        |        |                  \-----Margaret De TOENI
                  |        |        |                           \-----Alice Of Northumberland
                  |         \-----Margaret De SAY
                  |                 |         /-----Robert MARMION
                  |                  \-----Mabel MARMION
          /-----Robert De MORTIMER, Baron of Richard's Castle
 /-----Hugh De MORTIMER, Lord Mortimer
|        |                                                      /-----Josselin Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
|        |                                             /-----Eudon I Vicount Of Porhoet And Rennes
|        |                                    /-----Geoffrey Vicomte De Porhoet
|        |                                   |         \-----Anne De Leon
|        |                           /-----Alan CEOCHE
|        |                          |        |                  /-----Hoel Count Of Cornouille
|        |                          |        |         /-----Alan IV Fergent Duke Of Brittany
|        |                          |        |        |         \-----Hawise Of Brittany
|        |                          |         \-----Hawise Of Brittany
|        |                          |                 |         /-----Fulk IV Rechin Count Of Anjou
|        |                          |                  \-----Ermengard Of Anjou
|        |                          |                           \-----Hildegarde De BAUGENCY
|        |                  /-----Roger La ZOUCHE
|        |                 |        |                           /-----(Unk) De BELMEIS
|        |                 |        |                  /-----Walter De BELMEIS
|        |                 |        |         /-----Philip De BELMEIS
|        |                 |         \-----Alice De Belmeis
|        |                 |                 |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
|        |                 |                 |         /-----William De MESCHINES, Baron Of Egremont
|        |                 |                 |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
|        |                 |                  \-----Maud De MESCHINES
|        |                 |                          |         /-----Robert De RUMILLY, Baron Of Skipton
|        |                 |                           \-----Cecily De ROMILLY
|        |         /-----William La ZOUCHE
|        |        |        |                                    /-----Henry BISA
|        |        |        |                           /-----William BISET
|        |        |        |                          |         \-----Bertha
|        |        |        |                  /-----Manasser BISET
|        |        |        |                 |         \-----Hawise
|        |        |        |         /-----Henry BISET
|        |        |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) De CANY
|        |        |        |        |         \-----Alice De Cany
|        |        |         \-----Margaret BISET
|        |        |                 |                           /-----John FITZRICHARD
|        |        |                 |                  /-----Eustace Fitz John De BURGO, Constable Of Chester
|        |        |                 |         /-----Richard FITZ EUSTACE, Constable Of Chester
|        |        |                 |        |        |         /-----William FITZ NIGEL, Constable Of Chester
|        |        |                 |        |         \-----Agnes De HALTON
|        |        |                 |        |                  \-----Adeliz Of Widness
|        |        |                  \-----Aubrey FITZ EUSTACE
|        |        |                          |                  /-----Fulk De LISOURS
|        |        |                          |         /-----Robert LIZOURS
|        |        |                          |        |         \-----Aubrey
|        |        |                           \-----Albreada LIZOURS, Baroness Of Pontfract
|        |        |                                   |         /-----Robert De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract
|        |        |                                    \-----Aubrey De LACY
|        |        |                                             \-----Maud
|         \-----Joyce La ZOUCHE
|                 |         /-----William De HOWBRIDGE
|                  \-----Maud De HOWBRIDGE
Joan De MORTIMER
 \-----Maud



Descendants of Joan De MORTIMER
1. Joan De MORTIMER m1. Sir Thomas De BYKENORE m2. Richard TALBOT
m. Sir Thomas De BYKENORE
m. Richard TALBOT father: Richard TALBOT mother: Sarah De BEAUCHAMP

2nd generation

2. John TALBOT m. Juliane De GREY
m. Juliane De GREY father: Roger De GREY, Lord Grey Of Ruthin mother: Elizabeth De HASTINGS

3rd generation

6. Katherine TALBOT m. Ralph PARLES
m. Ralph PARLES father: Walter PARLES
7. Sir John TALBOT m. Catherine
m. Catherine
8. Sir Gilbert TALBOT m1. Margaret De BEAUCHAMP m2. Joan m3. Margaret HOWARD
m. Margaret De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Roger De BEAUCHAMP, Lord Beauchamp Of Bletsoe mother: Sybill PATSHULL
m. Joan
m. Margaret HOWARD father: Sir Robert HOWARD mother: Margaret De SCALES

4th generation

9. Margery PARLES m1. John HERVEY m2. Sir William De ARGENTINE
m. John HERVEY father: John HERVY mother: Joan DENGAYNE
m. Sir William De ARGENTINE father: Sir John De ARGENTINE
11. Elizabeth TALBOT m. Sir Warin L'ARCEDEKENE
m. Sir Warin L'ARCEDEKENE father: Sir John L'ARCEDEKENE mother: Cecily HACCOMBE

5th generation

16. John HERVEY m. Joan NEYRNUIT
m. Joan NEYRNUIT father: Sir John NEYRNUIT
21. Alienor L'ARCEDEKENE m. Sir Walter LUCY
m. Sir Walter LUCY father: Sir Reynold LUCY mother: Margaret De MOWBRAY
22. Philippa L'ARCEDEKENE m. Sir Hugh COURTENAY
m. Sir Hugh COURTENAY father: Sir Edward COURTENAY mother: Emmeline DAUNEY
23. Margery L'ARCEDEKENE m. Sir Thomas ARUNDEL
m. Sir Thomas ARUNDEL father: Sir John ARUNDEL mother: Annora LAMBOURNE