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Name: Robert De QUINCEY
Sex: M
Birth: 1 ^b
Death: 1217 ^d
Burial: Brackley ^u

Parents:

Father:
Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret Birth: 1155 Death: 3 Nov 1219 in Damietta

Mother:

Margaret BEAUMONT Death: 12 Jan 1234/5

Family:
Marriage:

Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln on Abt 1197 .^m1
Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln Birth: 1180 Death: Abt 19 Feb 1242/3

Children:

Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln Birth: Before 1217 Death: Before 30 Mar 1266 in Hampstead, Middlesex

Bibliography

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Sources for birth and parent Information

date:: first son [Ref: CP XII/2 p751, ES III.4 #708, Roth RobertDeQuincy p221, Sanders Baronies p18(5), Weis AR7 #236],
parents:: [Ref: CP XII/2 p751, CP++ Winchester 12/31/2006 (CP XII/2 p748(g)), ES III.4 #708, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p438, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis AR7 #54, Weis MC #107],
father:: [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), Roth RobertDeQuincy p221, Sanders Baronies p18(5), Weis AR7 #236]

Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information

parents:: Robert de QUINCY (#10498) & Orabelle (#10499) [Ref: CP XII/2 p748(g)]

Sources for death Information

date:: [Ref: CP XII/2 p751, ES III.4 #708, Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site), Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441, Sanders Baronies p18, Sanders Baronies p33, Weis AR7 #236, Weis MC #107]; before 1232 [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), CP XII/2 p748(g)]; d.v.p, 1217 [Ref: Watney WALLOP #230, Watney WALLOP #821]

Sources with Inaccurate death Information

place:: London (CP XII/2 p751) but identical text was removed in CP VII p676 by corr in XIV p436 [Ref: CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), CP XII/2 p751]; London [Ref: ES III.4 #708, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441, Weis MC #107]

Sources for burial Information

place:: [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(d)]

Sources with Inaccurate burial Information

place:: church of the Hospitallers at Clerkenwell [Ref: CP VII p680, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p46]

Sources with Information about marriage to Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln

date:: abt 1197-1200 (date of charter) [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441]; before 1221 [Ref: CP III p169(a)],
names:: [Ref: CP IV AppH p661, CP VII p675, CP VII p676 (with corr in XIV p436), Keats-Rohan DD p228, Redlich CharlemagneDesc p129, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p154, Sanders Baronies p33, Watney WALLOP #230, Weis AR7 #125],
child:: [Ref: CP III p169(a), CP IV AppH p669, CP VII p677, CP VII p679, CP X p375, CP XII/2 p748(g), Farnham Pedigrees p11, Foss Judges p391, Keats-Rohan DD p652 (with corr on proposon web site), Richardson RoyalAnc v3p467, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p45, Sanders Baronies p111(2), Sanders Baronies p138(4), Sanders Baronies p18, Wagner PedigreeProgress #48, Watney WALLOP #588, Watney WALLOP #821, Weis AR7 #54, Weis MC #107]

Research Notes:
heir apparent of his father [Ref: CP V p700 (with corr in XIV p340), CP VII p676, CP XII/2 p751, CP++ Winchester 12/31/2006 (CP XII/2 p748(g)), Richardson RoyalAnc v4p441, Sanders Baronies p18(5)]

original CP text stating "Earl of Winchester" deleted by corrections in XIV [Ref: CP V p700 (with corr in XIV p340)]

mis-identified in Complete Peerage as a brother (apparently non-existent) rather than a son of Saher [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 9/29/2001-052505]

(regarding the parentage of Robert de Quincy, husband of Hawise de Chester): As far as I know what happened was that Hawise's husband was originally understood to be a son of Earl Saher (as reflected by vol. 7 of Complete Peerage), but that Sidney Painter proposed instead that her husband was a brother of Earl Saher. This convinced the author of the article on Winchester which appeared in CP vol. 12, part 2.
However, the question was reexamined by Doris Grace Roth, in an article entitled "Robert de Quincy, eldest son of the first Earl of Winchester" [The Genealogist, vol.5, pp.221-225 (1984)], who produced evidence that Hawise's husband was the son of Earl Saher after all. (The evidence had been in print since the 17th century.) http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/winchester.shtml
If I remember correctly, there is no evidence that Earl Saher even had a brother named Robert.
This version is accepted in the article by Richard D. Coram on Earl Saher in the new edition of the Dictionary of National Biography - just as it was in the original edition. Coram places Saher's marriage at about 1190. [Ref: Chris Phillips SGM 10/1/2005-082953]

Sidney Painter's thesis "Now there is no doubt that Saher IV had an eldest son named Robert who died in 1217, but it is absolutely impossible that he was the husband of Hawise. If he had been, his daughter Margaret would have been countess of Winchester and overlord of the Quency lands. But the Close Roll of 120 definitely calls Roger de Quency son and heir of Saher and after his mother's death he took the title earl of Winchester..." And it follows that the Robert de Quincy who married Hawise had to be the younger brother of Earl Saher and not his son of the same name. [WTM: the remainder of Roth's article shows that the son and heir of Saher was named Robert and married Hawise, sister of the Earl of Chester] [Ref: Roth RobertDeQuincy p222]

1213: probably "Reginald" (sic) who was a hostage for the King of Scotland [Ref: CP XII/2 p751]

1214: may be the Earl's son who was in Poitou [Ref: CP XII/2 p751]

Dec 1215: excommunicated by the Pope, at the same time as his father [Ref: CP XII/2 p751]

undated conveyance relating to Buckby, Grantesset, Bradeham, and Herdwick in the honour of Bolingbroke clearly identifies Hawise, sister of the Earl of Chester, as the wife of his [Earl Saher's] son and heir Robert [Ref: Roth RobertDeQuincy p223]

one of the rebels against King John; but for that reason would have interhited the paternal lands [Ref: Roth RobertDeQuincy p223]

circumstances of his death are fully described by Giraldus. He was accidentally poisoned through medicine prepared by a Cistercian monk [Ref: CP XII/2 p751(d)]

(apparently incorrectly) d.s.p [Ref: CP XII/2 p748(g), CP XII/2 p751, Weis AR7 #236]

Pedigree of Robert De QUINCEY
                   /-----Saher De QUINCEY, Lord Of Buckby In Northampto
          /-----Robert De QUINCEY
         |        |                  /-----Ranulph Le Rich
         |        |         /-----Simon De St. LIZ, Earl Of Huntingdon
         |         \-----Maud De ST LIZ
         |                 |                                    /-----Ulsius
         |                 |                           /-----Beorn
         |                 |                  /-----Sigurd Digera Earl Of Northumbria
         |                 |         /-----Waltheof II Earl Of Huntingdon
         |                 |        |        |                  /-----Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
         |                 |        |        |         /-----Ealdred Of Bernicia
         |                 |        |        |        |         \-----Ecfrida
         |                 |        |         \-----Aelflaed
         |                  \-----Maud Of Huntingdon
         |                          |                           /-----Baldwin Count Of Boulogne
         |                          |                  /-----Eustace I Count Of Boulogne
         |                          |                 |         \-----Adela Of Holland
         |                          |         /-----Lambert Of Boulogne, Count Of Lens
         |                          |        |        |         /-----Lambert I The Bearded Count Of Louvain
         |                          |        |         \-----Maud Of Louvain
         |                          |        |                  \-----Gerberga Of Lorraine
         |                           \-----Judith Of Lens
         |                                   |                  /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
         |                                   |         /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
         |                                   |        |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
         |                                    \-----Adelaide Of Normandy
         |                                            |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
         |                                             \-----Herleve Of Falaise
         |                                                      \-----Duxia
/-----Saire De QUINCEY, Earl Of Winchester, MC Suret
|        |                  /-----William Lord Of Leuchars
|        |         /-----Ness Of Leuchars
|         \-----Orabella
Robert De QUINCEY
|                                                               /-----Torf The Rich
|                                                      /-----Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
|                                                     |         \-----Etemberga De Briquebec
|                                             /-----Humphrey De Vieilles
|                                            |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
|                                            |         \-----Aveline
|                                    /-----Roger De Beaumont
|                                   |         \-----Aubreye De La Haie
|                           /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|                          |        |                           /-----Galeran II Count Of Meulen
|                          |        |                  /-----Hugo I Count Of Meulen
|                          |        |         /-----Waleran Count Of Meulan
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
|                          |        |        |         \-----Oda Of Valois
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Adele
|                          |         \-----Adelise Of Meulan
|                          |                  \-----Ode
|                  /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
|                 |        |                                    /-----Hugh Capet King Of France
|                 |        |                           /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
|                 |        |                          |         \-----Adelaide Of Poitou
|                 |        |                  /-----Henry I King Of France
|                 |        |                 |        |         /-----William I Count Of Aries And Provence
|                 |        |                 |         \-----Constance Of Provence
|                 |        |                 |                  \-----Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
|                 |        |         /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
|                 |        |        |        |                  /-----Saint Vladimir Grand Prince Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |        |         /-----Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |        |        |         \-----Rogneide Of Polotzk
|                 |        |        |         \-----Anne Of Kiev
|                 |        |        |                 |         /-----Olaf III SKOTKONUNG, King Of Sweden
|                 |        |        |                  \-----Ingegard
|                 |        |        |                           \-----Astrid
|                 |         \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
|                 |                 |                           /-----Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |                 |         \-----Ermengarde Of Bar
|                 |                 |         /-----Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
|                 |                 |        |         \-----Parvie
|                 |                  \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
|                 |                          |                  /-----Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
|                 |                          |         /-----Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
|                 |                          |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Bretemil
|                 |                           \-----Adela De Valois
|                 |                                   |         /-----Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
|                 |                                    \-----Adela
|         /-----Sir Robert De BEAUMONT, Earl Of Leicester
|        |        |                           /-----Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
|        |        |                  /-----Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
|        |        |                 |         \-----Getha
|        |        |         /-----Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
|        |        |        |        |                           /-----Herfast
|        |        |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
|        |        |        |        |         /-----William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
|        |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Ralph Count Of Ivry
|        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
|        |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Albereda
|        |        |        |         \-----Emma Fitz Osbern
|        |        |        |                 |                  /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
|        |        |        |                 |         /-----Roger I De TOENI
|        |        |        |                  \-----Adelise De TONI
|        |        |        |                           \-----Godehildie
|        |         \-----Amicia De Gael
\-----Margaret BEAUMONT
         |                                    /-----Robert De Grentmesnil
         |                           /-----Hugh De Grantmesnil, Baron Of Leicester
         |                          |        |         /-----Girole De Echafour
         |                          |         \-----Hawise De Echafour
         |                          |                 |         /-----Thursten De Bastenburgh
         |                          |                  \-----Gisela De Bastenburgh
         |                  /-----Robert De GRANTMESNIL
         |                 |        |                           /-----Ivo Count Of Belemontensis
         |                 |        |                  /-----Ivo I Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |         /-----Ivo II Count Of Beaumont
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Emma
         |                 |         \-----Adeliza Of Beaumont
         |                 |                  \-----Judith
         |         /-----William De GRANTMESNIL
         |        |        |                  /-----(Unk) De Estouteville
         |        |        |         /-----Robert De Estouteville
         |        |         \-----Emma De Estouteville
         |        |                  \-----Beatrix
          \-----Petronilla De GRANTMESNIL

Descendants of Robert De QUINCEY

1. Robert De QUINCEY m. Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln

m. Hawise Of Chester, Countess Of Lincoln father: Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester mother: Bertrade De MONTFORT

2+ Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln m1. John De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, MC Surety m2. Sir Walter MARSHALL, Earl Of Pembroke m3. Richard De WILTSHIRE

2nd generation

2. Margaret De QUINCY, Heiress Of Lincoln m1. John De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, MC Surety m2. Sir Walter MARSHALL, Earl Of Pembroke m3. Richard De WILTSHIRE

m. John De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, MC Surety father: Roger De LACY, Baron Of Pontefract mother: Maud De CLERE

3+ Maud De LACY m. Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Gloucester And Hertfor

4 (Unk Dau) De LACY

5 (Unk Dau) De LACY

6 Margaret De LACY

7+ Edmund De LACY, Earl Of Lincoln, Constable Of C m. Alice De SALUZZO

m. Sir Walter MARSHALL, Earl Of Pembroke father: Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke mother: Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke