Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Geoffrey MARMION Death: Before 1166
- Ingelran MARMION
- Robert MARMION, Baron Of Tamworth Birth: Before 1133
Death: Abt Oct 1181
Marriage:
Children:
- Richard De Camville
- Millicent De Camville Death: After 1207/8
Bibliography
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Wilson, Alan, MARMIONS in the ancestry of Thomas Bradbury. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 4/14/1997. Subject: MARMIONS in the ancestry of Thomas Bradbury. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Lri1TWl8y0s/m/q4Q1WUDd6z4J or https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/Lri1TWl8y0s/m/P4tToVyIth8J. Author address: abwilson at UCLINK2 dot BERKELEY dot EDU. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Alan Wilson SGM 4/14/1997].
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Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 08, Lindley-Moate. London: St Catherine Press, 1932. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP VIII [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Foss, Edward, Biographia Juridica, Biographical Dictionary of the Judges of England, London: John Murray, 1870. Available at https://books.google.com/books?id=O0oBAAAAQAAJ Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Foss Judges p[0-9]*].
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Keats-Rohan, K.S.B., Domesday Descendants, A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166. Vol II: Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum. Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk: Boydell Press, 2002. NYPL ARF 03-4178 vol 2. Corrections at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~prosop/domesday-descendants-corrigenda.pdf Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p[0-9]*].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: Moriarty Marmion p256, Moriarty Marmion-Rethel p426, Roberts
RD600 p557, Roberts RD600 p560, Weis AR7 #246A]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- father:
- Hugh Count of Rethel (#17731) [Ref: CP VIII p506 (with corr in XIV
p467)]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- names:
- Richard de CAMVILLE (#14081) & Millicent [Ref: Watney WALLOP #200]
Sources with Information about marriage to Robert MARMION, Baron Of Tamworth
- date:
- first marriage of Milesent [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p1032, Keats-Rohan DD
p378]
- first marriage of Milicent [Ref: CP VIII p506, CP VIII p507, Cristopher
Nash SGM 11/11/1998, Moriarty Marmion-Rethel p426, Weis AR7 #246A],
- names:
- [Ref: Moriarty Marmion p256],
- child:
- [Ref: CP VIII p507, CP VIII p508, Foss Judges p436, Keats-Rohan DD
p1032, Keats-Rohan DD p927, Richard Borthwick SGM 4/27/1999, Roberts RD600
p560, Weis AR7 #246A]
Sources with Information about marriage to Richard De Camville
- date:
- second marriage of Milicent [Ref: CP VIII p507, CP VIII p508, Cristopher
Nash SGM 11/11/1998, Keats-Rohan DD p1032, Moriarty Marmion p256, Moriarty
Marmion-Rethel p426, Roberts RD600 p557, Weis AR7 #246A]
- second marriage of both [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p378],
- names:
- [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p379],
- child:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p938, John Ravilious SGM 4/15/2009-233112,
Keats-Rohan DD p378, Richard Borthwick SGM 4/27/1999, Watney WALLOP #200,
Watney WALLOP #499]
Research Notes:
kinswoman of Queen Adelicia de Louvain [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p378]
Queen Adelicia gave her the manor of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, on
her marriage of Richard de Camville [Ref: Keats-Rohan DD p378]
received part of her manor of Stanton (Stanton Harcourt, co Oxon) from
Queen Adeliza, who identified her as "Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion,
cognata mea" The daughter of Count Gervase who married Robert Marmion was
a second cousin of Queen Adeliza [Ref: Moriarty Marmion-Rethel p426]
Chronicles of Alberic, Canon of St Augustine at Huyon-sur-Meuse, who, under
the year 1117, states that Gervase Archbishop of Rheims resigned his
Archbishopric after the death of King Philip (d.1108) and, returning to the
world, succeeded his father as Count of Rethel about 1118 and died in 1124. He
married Elizabeth, daughter of Count Godfrey of namur Gervase left an only
daughter and on his death his widow remarried Clarembald de Rosoy. This
Clarembald then married his stepdaughter out of the land and gave her in
marriage ot a certain noble of Normandy, Robert Marmion, in order to
disinherit her. Mr. Watson points out that Alberic de Trois Fontaines was as
trustworthy as most chroniclers and that his chronicle ends in 1241. .. he
should have been well informed as to the affairs of the local families in his
neighborhood such as the Rethels and that the very unusualness of this
marriage tends to confirm it.
The evidence is, therefore, very strong that _a_ Robert Marmion married
_a_ daughter of Gervase Count of Rethel, who was a brother of King Baldwin II
of Jerusalem. The daughter was born between 1108 and 1124. It should be noted
that Alberic does not give the name of the daughter nor does he designate
which Robert Marmion she married. [Ref: Moriarty Marmion-Rethel p425]
Moriarty in TAG xx (Jan, 1944), 255-256, points out that Alberic, Canon of
Huyon-sur-Meuse states that Clarembald de Rosoy, who m. Elizabeth de Namur
after the death of Gervase in 1124, in order to disinherit her, married the
only daughter of Gervase out of the country to a certain noble of Normandy
named Robert Marmion. But Alberic does not give the name of the daughter or
specify which Robert Marmion was her husband. The daughter of Count Gervase
was married about 1132/3, so chronologically it would more likely be to Robert
I than to Robert II. The mother of Count Gervase of Rethel was Milicent of
Montlhery. Thus Milicent, the wife of Robert I could have been named for her
paternal grandmother. Queen Adeliza of Louvain, wife of Henry I, gave part of
Stanton, Co. Oxon, to Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion, "cognata mea." Stanton
passed with Isabel, dau. of Milicent and Richard de Camville to her husband,
Robert de Harcourt as her maritagium, and Stanton Harcourt has subsequently
remained in that family. Queen Adeliza was a second cousin of the daughter of
Gervase, both being descended from Albert III de Namur, d. 1102, & Ida of
Saxony.
Moriarty concludes, in view of these arguments, that it was Robert I who
married the daughter of the Count of Rethel, and that her name was Milicent.
This corrects Palmer, "History of the Baronial Family of Marmion," 1875,
Watson (The Genealogist, n.s., xiv, 70), Clay in "Complete Peerage" (vii,
509), and, of course, although not then published, ES, iii, 625. [Ref: Alan
Wilson SGM 4/14/1997]
Pedigree of Milicent Of Rethel
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Manasses I Count Of Rethel
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Manasses II Count Of Rethel
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Manasses III Count Of Rethel
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Rogenvald
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Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
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Giselbert Count Of Roucy
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Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
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Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
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Alberade Of Mons
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Alberade Of Lorraine
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Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Mechtilde Of Westfalen
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Judith Of Roucy
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Aubri Vicount Of Narbonne
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Lutaud Count Of Macon
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Attela Of Macon
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Aubri Count Of Macon
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Manasses I Count Of Vergy, Duxin, And Chalons
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Ermengarde Of Chalon
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Ermengarde
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(Unk Dau)
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Rogenvald
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Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
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Ermentrude Of Roucy
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Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
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Alberade Of Lorraine
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Hugh I Count Of Rethel
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Rogenvald
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Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
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Giselbert Count Of Roucy
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Giselbert Count Of Darnau
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Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
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Ermengarde Of Lorraine
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Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
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Alberade Of Mons
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Alberade Of Lorraine
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Otto The Illustrious Duke Of Saxony
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Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
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Hedwige/Hadui/Haduich
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Dietrich Count in Westfalen
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Mechtilde Of Westfalen
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Ragenhilda
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Yevette
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Mayceul Vicount Of Narbonne
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Aubri Vicount Of Narbonne
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Raimodis
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Lutaud Count Of Macon
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Ranulph Vicount Of Macon
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Attela Of Macon
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Aubri Count Of Macon
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Thierry II Count In The Chamois
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Manasses I Count Of Vergy, Duxin, And Chalons
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(Unk Dau)
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Ermengarde Of Chalon
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Boso Of Vienne, King Of Provence
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Ermengarde
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(Unk Dau)
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Rogenvald
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Renaud Count Of Rheims And Roucy
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Ermentrude Of Roucy
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Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
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Giselbert Duke Of Lorraine
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Alberade Of Mons
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Alberade Of Lorraine
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Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Mechtilde Of Westfalen
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Gervais Count Of Rethel
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Milon I Seigneur De La Ferte
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Guy Seigneur De Montchery And Bray
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Lisiard Seigneur De Scrauge
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Ansoud I Le Riche Vicomte De Auxerer
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Ansoud Le Riche Of Paris
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Raingarde
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Thibaud Seigneur Of Montchery And Cheverouse
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Reitrude
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(Unk Dau)
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Malisinde
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William Lord Of Burea
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Hodierna De La Ferte
Milicent Of Rethel
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Berenger Count Of Namur
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Robert I Count Of Namur
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Regnier I Count Of Hainaut
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Symphonia
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Alberade Of Mons
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Albert I Count Of Namur
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Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
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Otto Duke Of Lorraine
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Adelheid Of Ardennes
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Ermengarde Of Lorraine
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Albert II Count Of Namur
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Charles III The Simple King Of Franks
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Louis IV D'OUTRE-MER, King Of Franks
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Edgiva
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Charles Duke Of Lower Lorraine
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Henry I The Fowler King Of The Saxons
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Gerberga Of Saxony
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Mechtilde Of Westfalen
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Adelheid Of Lorraine
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Adelheid Of Ardennes
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Albert III Count Of Namur
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Wigeric Count in Bidgau
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Gonzelon Count In Bidgau
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Cunegunde
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Godfrey Count Of Verdun
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Gerhard Count In Metzgau
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Oda Of Metz
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Udo Of Saxony
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Gothelo I Duke Of Upper And Lower Lorraine
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Billung Count In Saxony
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Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
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Fraderuna
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Matilda Of Saxony
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Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
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Regilinde Of Lorraine
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Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Conrad I Duke Of Swabia
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Cunegundis Of Vermandois
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Conrad III Of Swabia, Count Of Ortenau
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Adalbert Count Of Marchtal
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Judith Of Marchtal
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(Unk Dau)
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Ita
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Godfrey Count Of Verdun
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Frederick Count Of Verdon
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Matilda Of Saxony
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Beatrix
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Godfrey Count Of Namur
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Billung Count In Saxony
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Hermann Billung Duke Of Saxony
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Fraderuna
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Bernard I Duke Of Saxony
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Hildegarde Of Westerbourg
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Bernard II Duke Of Saxony
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Lothar I Count Of Stade
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Liuthar Count Of Stade
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Oda Of Saxony
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Henry Count Of Stade
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Swanhilde
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Hildegard Of Stade
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Hildegard
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Ida Of Saxony
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Liutpold Margrave Of The Carinthian Mark
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Arnulf I The Bad Duke Of Bavaria
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Kuningunde
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Berthold I Margrave Of The Bavarian Nordgaus
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Eberhard Count In The Salichgau
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Judith
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Henrich Margrave Of Schweinfurt
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Lothar I Count Von Walbeck
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Lothar II Count Of Walbeck
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Eiliswintha Countess Of Walbeck
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Bruno Count Of Arnesburg
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Mathilda Of Arnsburg
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Frederuna
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Eilika Of Schweinfurt
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Gebhard Duke Of Lorraine
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Udo Count In The Wetterau
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Ita
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Herbert I Count In The Kinziggau
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Herbert I Count Of Vermandois
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Cunegundis Of Vermandois
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Beatrice Of Morvois
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Gerberga Of Gleiberg
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Eberhard II Count In Bonngau
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Megingoz Count Of The Avalgau
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Gisela
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Irmentrude
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Godfrey Duke Of Lorraine, Count Palatine
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Gerberga
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Ermentrude Of France
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Elizabeth Of Namur
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Roger Count Of Chateau Porcien
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Sibylle Of Chateau Porcien
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Ermengarde
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