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Marriage:
Marriage: Children:
  1. Joan MORAY

Marriage: Children:
  1. Robert SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland Birth: Abt 1348 Death: After Oct 1408
  2. Kenneth SUTHERLAND Birth: 3 Death: After 1408

Bibliography
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Sources for birth and parent Information
date:
abt 1310 [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v13-93],
father:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, Burke Peerage p72, CP I p310, CP IV p433, CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p388, Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, Paget HRHCharles p211, Ravilious Murdoch p21, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VI p132, Thompson CharlesII v24-116]
Sources for death Information
date:
after 20 Mar 1366/7 [Ref: CP XII/1 p389]
after 20 Mar 1367 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p211, Paget HRHCharles p212]
after Mar 1366/7 [Ref: SP VIII p328]
living 1367 [Ref: CP I p310, Thompson CharlesII v13-93]
living 20 Mar 1366/7 [Ref: CP XII/1 p385]
nach 21.III 1367 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
Sources with Information about marriage to Malise Earl Of Strathearn
date:
abt 1323 [Ref: CP XII/1 p385, Paget HRHCharles p211, SP VIII p251]
first marriage of Joan [Ref: Burke Peerage p72, CP I p310, CP XII/1 p388, CP XII/1 p544, John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607]
first marriage of Joanna [Ref: SP I p435, SP VI p132, SP VIII p327, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]
um 1323 [Ref: ES III.1 #158],
names:
[Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
child:
Helen (#250169) [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721, John Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611, John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John CAMPBELL, Earl Of Atholl
date:
second marriage of Joan [Ref: CP I p310, CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p388, CP XII/1 p544, ES III.1 #158, Paget HRHCharles p211, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607]
second marriage of Joanna [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, SP I p435, SP VI p132, SP VIII p251, SP VIII p327, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)],
names:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p72, Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 10/25/2007-225435]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern
date:
abt Jul 1339 [Ref: SP VI p133]
disp 10 Jul 1339 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, SP VIII p257]
disp 11 Jul 1339 [Ref: CP I p310, CP XII/1 p385, Paget HRHCharles p211, SP I p435]
disp dated 11.VII 1339 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
third marriage of Joanna [Ref: CP XII/1 p544, John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VIII p251, SP VIII p327, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)],
names:
[Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 10/25/2007-225435],
child:
[Ref: CP IV p433, CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV p557), Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, SP II p130, SP VI p133, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
child:
Joan MORAY (#250171) [Ref: CP IV p383, CP IV p433, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p649]
Sources with Information about marriage to William SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland
date:
9.XI 1347 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
before Nov 1347 [Ref: SP VIII p252, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93]
disp 5 Id Nov 1347 [Ref: SP I p435 (with corr in IX p27)]
disp 9 Nov 1347 [Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, SP VIII p327]
disp 9 Nov 1347 to remain married [Ref: CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p389, CP XII/1 p544, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(76)]
fourth marriage of Joanna [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, SP VI p133]
post nuptial disp 9 Nov 1347 [Ref: CP I p310 (with corr in XIV p46), Paget HRHCharles p211]
second marriage of William [Ref: MacEwen Sutherland of Dunbeath p134],
names:
[Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 10/25/2007-225435],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, CP XII/1 p545, MacEwen Sutherland of Dunbeath p134, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VIII p328, Thompson CharlesII v13-92]
Research Notes:
only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty [Ref: SP VI p132]

dispensation for fourth marriage issued 9 Nov 1347; they had petitioned that after their marriage they had discovered that they were related double in the fourth degree of affinity, because William was related to two of her former husbands in the fourth degree on consanguinity [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v13-92(76)]

as William's wife, styled herself in her writs Countess of Strathearn, but in English safe-conducts she was called Countess of Sutherland [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v13-93]



Pedigree of Joan De MONTEITH
                                                                /-----Alan Fitz Flaald
                                                       /-----Fleald Fitz Alan
                                              /-----Alan FITZ FLEALD
                                     /-----Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
                                    |        |                  /-----(Unk) De HESDIN
                                    |        |         /-----Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
                                    |         \-----Avelina De HESDIN
                                    |                  \-----Emmeline
                            /-----Alan High Steward Of Scotland
                           |        |         /-----Thomas Of London
                           |         \-----Sechym De MOILE
                   /-----Walter Stewart, High Steward Of Scotland
                  |        |         /-----Swan
                  |         \-----Eva
          /-----Walter STEWART, Earl Of Menteith
         |        |                  /-----Gilbride Earl Of Angus
         |        |         /-----Gilchrist Earl Of Angus
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Crinan The Thane Abbot Of Dunkeld
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Maldred Lord Of Carlisle
         |        |        |        |                 |         \-----Bethoc
         |        |        |        |         /-----Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
         |        |        |        |        |        |         /-----Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
         |        |        |        |        |         \-----Ealdgyth
         |        |        |        |        |                  \-----Alfgifu
         |        |        |         \-----(Unk Dau) Of Dunbar
         |        |        |                 |                  /-----Edgar The Peaceful King Of England
         |        |        |                 |         /-----Ethelred II The Redeless King Of England
         |        |        |                 |        |         \-----Aelfthryth
         |        |        |                  \-----(Unk Dau)
         |        |        |                          |         /-----Thored Ealdorman Of Northumbria
         |        |        |                           \-----Alfflaed
         |         \-----Beatrix Of Angus
 /-----Sir John De MONTEITH
|        |                  /-----(Unk) Of Menteith
|        |         /-----Maurice The Younger Earl Of Menteith
|         \-----Mary Of Menteith, Countess Of Menteith
Joan De MONTEITH



Descendants of Joan De MONTEITH
1. Joan De MONTEITH m1. Malise Earl Of Strathearn m2. Sir John CAMPBELL, Earl Of Atholl m3. Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern m4. William SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland
m. Malise Earl Of Strathearn father: Malise Earl Of Strathern mother: Agnes COMYN
m. Sir John CAMPBELL, Earl Of Atholl father: Sir Neil CAMPBELL mother: Mary De BRUS
m. Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern father: Sir John MORAY
m. William SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland father: Kenneth SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland mother: Margaret Of Mar

2nd generation

2. Joan MORAY m1. Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell m2.
m. Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell father: Sir Andrew MORAY mother: Christian BRUCE
3. Robert SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland m. Margaret STEWART
m. Margaret STEWART father: Alexander STEWART, Earl Of Buchan mother: Mariot ATHYN

3rd generation

5. Joan MORAY m. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas
m. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas father: James DOUGLAS mother: Euphemia De MORHAM
6. John SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland m1. Helen SINCLAIR m2. Margaret BAILLIE
m. Helen SINCLAIR father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jill DOUGLAS
m. Margaret BAILLIE father: Sir William BAILLIE mother: Marion SETON
7. Alexander SUTHERLAND m1. Mariota Of Ila m2. Margaret MacLEOD m3. Catherine CHALMER
m. Mariota Of Ila father: Sir Donald Lord Of The Isles mother: Mary LESLIE, Countess Of Ross
m. Margaret MacLEOD
m. Catherine CHALMER

4th generation

8. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m1. Christian De RAMSAY m2. Margaret STEWART
m. Christian De RAMSAY
m. Margaret STEWART father: Robert III King Of Scots mother: Annabella DRUMMOND
9. James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m1. Beatrice STEWART m2. Beatrice SINCLAIR
m. Beatrice STEWART father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Margaret GRAHAM, Countess Of Menteith
m. Beatrice SINCLAIR father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jean HALYBURTON
10. Mary DOUGLAS m1. David STEWART, Duke Of Rothesay m2. Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun
m. David STEWART, Duke Of Rothesay father: Robert III King Of Scots mother: Annabella DRUMMOND
m. Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun father: Walter HALYBURTON, Lord Of Dirletoun
11. Joan DOUGLAS m. Murdoch STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany
m. Murdoch STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Margaret GRAHAM, Countess Of Menteith
13. John SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland m1. m2. Fingole CALDER m3. Catherine
m. Fingole CALDER father: Sir William CALDER
m. Catherine
16. Janet SUTHERLAND m. Alexander DUNBAR
m. Alexander DUNBAR father: Sir Alexander DUNBAR mother: Isobella SUTHERLAND
25. Marjorie SUTHERLAND m. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness
m. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jill DOUGLAS

5th generation

27. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas m. Eupheme GRAHAM
m. Eupheme GRAHAM father: Sir Patrick GRAHAM, Earl Of Strathern mother: Eupheme STEWART, Countess Palatine Of Strathern
29. Elizabeth DOUGLAS m1. John STEWART, Earl Of Buchan m2. Sir Thomas STEWART m3. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness
m. John STEWART, Earl Of Buchan father: Robert STEWART, Earl Of Fife, Duke Of Albany mother: Muriel KEITH
m. Sir Thomas STEWART father: Sir Alexander STEWART, Earl Of Mar
m. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney And Caithness father: Henry SINCLAIR, Earl Of Orkney mother: Jill DOUGLAS
30. Mary DOUGLAS m. Sir Simon GLENDINNING
m. Sir Simon GLENDINNING father: Sir Adam GLENDINNING mother: Margaret De WAUCHOPE
34. Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Moray m. Elizabeth DUNBAR
m. Elizabeth DUNBAR father: James DUNBAR, Earl Of Moray mother: Margaret SETON
35. Hugh DOUGLAS, Earl Of Ormond m.
39. Beatrice DOUGLAS m1. Sir William HAY, Earl Of Erroll m2. Arthur FORBES
m. Sir William HAY, Earl Of Erroll father: Gilbert HAY mother: Alice HAY
m. Arthur FORBES father: Sir William FORBES mother: Agnes FRASER
40. Janet DOUGLAS m. Robert FLEMING, Lord Fleming
m. Robert FLEMING, Lord Fleming father: Sir Malcolm FLEMING mother: Elizabeth STEWART
41. Margaret DOUGLAS m. Sir Henry DOUGLAS
m. Sir Henry DOUGLAS father: Sir James DOUGLAS, Lord Dalkeith mother: Elizabeth STEWART
43. John HALYBURTON, Lord Dirletoun m. Janet SETON
m. Janet SETON father: Sir William SETON mother: Janet DUNBAR
47. Robert STEWART m.
49. Elizabeth SUTHERLAND, Countess Of Sutherland m. Adam GORDON, Earl Of Sutherland
m. Adam GORDON, Earl Of Sutherland father: Sir George GORDON, Earl Of Huntley mother: Elizabeth HAY
54. William SINCLAIR, Earl Of Caithness m1. Margaret KEITH m2.
m. Margaret KEITH father: Sir Gilbert KEITH mother: Janet GRAHAM
59. Catherine SINCLAIR m. Alexander STEWART, Duke Of Albany
m. Alexander STEWART, Duke Of Albany father: James II King Of Scots mother: Marie Of Gueldres
60. Eleanor SINCLAIR m. Sir John STEWART, Earl Of Atholl
m. Sir John STEWART, Earl Of Atholl father: Sir James STEWART, Black Knight Of Lorn mother: Joan De BEAUFORT