Family:
Marriage:
Marriage:
Marriage:
Children:
- Joan MORAY
Marriage:
Children:
- Robert SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland Birth: Abt 1348
Death: After Oct 1408
- Kenneth SUTHERLAND Birth: 3
Death: After 1408
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Ravilious, John, Helen de Menteith, wife of Sir Colin Campbell. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 11/11/2004. Subject: SP Addition: Helen de Menteith, wife of Sir Colin Campbell. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/e27YQvNUb5Q/m/_mYCVkGh4KIJ. Author address: Therav3 at aol dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- date:
- abt 1310 [Ref: Thompson CharlesII v13-93],
- father:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, Burke Peerage p72, CP I p310, CP IV p433,
CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p388, Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM
11/11/2004-073958, Paget HRHCharles p211, Ravilious Murdoch p21, Richardson
RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VI p132, Thompson CharlesII
v24-116]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- after 20 Mar 1366/7 [Ref: CP XII/1 p389]
- after 20 Mar 1367 [Ref: Paget HRHCharles p211, Paget HRHCharles p212]
- after Mar 1366/7 [Ref: SP VIII p328]
- living 1367 [Ref: CP I p310, Thompson CharlesII v13-93]
- living 20 Mar 1366/7 [Ref: CP XII/1 p385]
- nach 21.III 1367 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
Sources with Information about marriage to Malise Earl Of Strathearn
- date:
- abt 1323 [Ref: CP XII/1 p385, Paget HRHCharles p211, SP VIII p251]
- first marriage of Joan [Ref: Burke Peerage p72, CP I p310, CP XII/1
p388, CP XII/1 p544, John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607]
- first marriage of Joanna [Ref: SP I p435, SP VI p132, SP VIII p327,
Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]
- um 1323 [Ref: ES III.1 #158],
- names:
- [Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Helen (#250169) [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 1/1/2006-150721, John
Ravilious SGM 11/20/2008-171611, John Ravilious SGM 11/9/2005-161723]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir John CAMPBELL, Earl Of Atholl
- date:
- second marriage of Joan [Ref: CP I p310, CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p388,
CP XII/1 p544, ES III.1 #158, Paget HRHCharles p211, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607]
- second marriage of Joanna [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, SP
I p435, SP VI p132, SP VIII p251, SP VIII p327, Thompson CharlesII
v13-93(77)],
- names:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p72, Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM
10/25/2007-225435]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern
- date:
- abt Jul 1339 [Ref: SP VI p133]
- disp 10 Jul 1339 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, SP VIII p257]
- disp 11 Jul 1339 [Ref: CP I p310, CP XII/1 p385, Paget HRHCharles p211,
SP I p435]
- disp dated 11.VII 1339 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
- third marriage of Joanna [Ref: CP XII/1 p544, John Ravilious SGM
11/11/2004-073958, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VIII p251, SP VIII p327,
Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)],
- names:
- [Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 10/25/2007-225435],
- child:
- [Ref: CP IV p433, CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV p557), Richardson
RoyalAnc v1p604, SP II p130, SP VI p133, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII
v13-93(77)]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- child:
- Joan MORAY (#250171) [Ref: CP IV p383, CP IV p433, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p649]
Sources with Information about marriage to William SUTHERLAND, Earl Of Sutherland
- date:
- 9.XI 1347 [Ref: ES III.1 #158]
- before Nov 1347 [Ref: SP VIII p252, SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII
v13-93]
- disp 5 Id Nov 1347 [Ref: SP I p435 (with corr in IX p27)]
- disp 9 Nov 1347 [Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, SP VIII p327]
- disp 9 Nov 1347 to remain married [Ref: CP XII/1 p385, CP XII/1 p389, CP
XII/1 p544, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, Thompson
CharlesII v13-93(76)]
- fourth marriage of Joanna [Ref: John Ravilious SGM 11/11/2004-073958, SP
VI p133]
- post nuptial disp 9 Nov 1347 [Ref: CP I p310 (with corr in XIV p46),
Paget HRHCharles p211]
- second marriage of William [Ref: MacEwen Sutherland of Dunbeath p134],
- names:
- [Ref: Fraser MENTEITH p460, John Ravilious SGM 10/25/2007-225435],
- child:
- [Ref: Burke Peerage p1940, CP XII/1 p545, MacEwen Sutherland of
Dunbeath p134, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p604, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p607, SP VIII
p328, Thompson CharlesII v13-92]
Research Notes:
only one of Sir John's alleged three daughters who can be traced with
certainty [Ref: SP VI p132]
dispensation for fourth marriage issued 9 Nov 1347; they had petitioned that
after their marriage they had discovered that they were related double in the
fourth degree of affinity, because William was related to two of her former
husbands in the fourth degree on consanguinity [Ref: Thompson CharlesII
v13-92(76)]
as William's wife, styled herself in her writs Countess of Strathearn,
but in English safe-conducts she was called Countess of Sutherland [Ref:
Thompson CharlesII v13-93]
Pedigree of Joan De MONTEITH
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Alan Fitz Flaald
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Fleald Fitz Alan
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Alan FITZ FLEALD
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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(Unk) De HESDIN
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Ernulph De HESDIN, Baron Of Keevil
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Avelina De HESDIN
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Emmeline
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Alan High Steward Of Scotland
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Thomas Of London
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Sechym De MOILE
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Walter Stewart, High Steward Of Scotland
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Swan
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Eva
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Walter STEWART, Earl Of Menteith
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Gilbride Earl Of Angus
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Gilchrist Earl Of Angus
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Crinan The Thane Abbot Of Dunkeld
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Maldred Lord Of Carlisle
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Bethoc
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Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
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Uchtred Earl Of Northumberland
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Ealdgyth
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Alfgifu
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(Unk Dau) Of Dunbar
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Edgar The Peaceful King Of England
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Ethelred II The Redeless King Of England
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Aelfthryth
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(Unk Dau)
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Thored Ealdorman Of Northumbria
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Alfflaed
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Beatrix Of Angus
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Sir John De MONTEITH
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(Unk) Of Menteith
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Maurice The Younger Earl Of Menteith
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Mary Of Menteith, Countess Of Menteith
Joan De MONTEITH
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