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Marriage: Children:
  1. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich Birth: Before 1209 Death: Before 12 Feb 1271/2
  2. Geoffrey De SAY
  3. Sir John De SAY

Bibliography
  1. Burke, Sir John Bernard, Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage Baronetage and Knightage. 99th edition. London: Burke's Peerage, 1949. Available at http://archive.org/details/burkesgenealogic1949unse. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Burke Peerage [cx0-9]*].
  2. Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
  3. Richardson, Douglas, Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 10/31/2007. Subject: Complete Peerage Addition: Hawise de Clare, wife of Geoffrey de Say, Magna Carta Baron. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/oJ7DigECN4s/m/bdD2WpTv6noJ. Author address: royalancestry at msn dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919].
  4. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p[0-9]*].
  5. Richardson, Douglas, Royal Ancestry. Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013. NYPL JFF 16-1184 v1-5 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p[0-9]*].
  6. Sanders, I. J., English Baronies, A Study of Their Origin and Descent 1086-1327. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Sanders Baronies p[0-9]*].

Sources for birth and parent Information
parents:
[Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v2p180, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562]
Sources for death Information
date:
living c1235 [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p563]
Sources with Information about marriage to Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
date:
before 1215 [Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562],
names:
[Ref: Richardson RoyalAnc v2p183],
child:
[Ref: Burke Peerage p1790, CP XI p470, Douglas Richardson SGM 10/31/2007-200919, Richardson RoyalAnc v4p562, Sanders Baronies p98]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
names:
Geoffrey de SAY & Alice de CHESNEY (#150350) [Ref: CP XI p470]
Geoffrey de SAY (2nd marriage) & Margery de BRIWERRE (#14123) [Ref: CP XI p470, Sanders Baronies p98]
Research Notes:



Pedigree of Hawise De CLARE
                                                                /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
                                                       /-----Godfrey Count Of Brionne
                                                      |         \-----Gunnora
                                              /-----Gilbert Count Of Brionne
                                     /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                            /-----Gilbert FITZ RICHARD, Baron Of Clare
                           |        |                  /-----Osbern De Bolbec, Seigneur Of Longueville
                           |        |         /-----Walter Giffard Lord Of Longueville
                           |        |        |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
                           |        |        |         \-----Wevie
                           |         \-----Rohese GIFFARD
                           |                 |         /-----Gerard De FLEITELL
                           |                  \-----Ermengarde FLATEL
                   /-----Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
                  |        |                                    /-----Renaud
                  |        |                           /-----Hugh Butler Of France
                  |        |                  /-----Renaud Count Of Clermont
                  |        |         /-----Hugh Count Of Clermont
                  |        |        |         \-----Ermengardis
                  |         \-----Adeliza De CLERMONT
                  |                 |                           /-----Hildouin I Seigneur De Rameru
                  |                 |                  /-----Hildouin II De Rameru
                  |                 |         /-----Hildouin III De Rameru, Count Of Montdidier And Roucy
                  |                 |        |         \-----Anonima
                  |                  \-----Margaret De Roucy
                  |                          |                  /-----Giselbert Count Of Roucy
                  |                          |         /-----Ebles I Count Of Rheims And Roucy
                  |                          |        |         \-----(Unk Dau)
                  |                           \-----Adele De Roucy
                  |                                   |         /-----Regnier IV Count Of Hainault
                  |                                    \-----Beatrix Of Hainault
                  |                                             \-----Hedwig Of France
          /-----Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
         |        |                                    /-----Anschitil Vicomte Of The Bessin
         |        |                           /-----Ranulph I De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
         |        |                  /-----Ranulph II De MESCHINES, Vicomte De Bayeux
         |        |                 |        |                  /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
         |        |                 |        |         /-----Richard III Duke Of Normandy
         |        |                 |        |        |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
         |        |                 |         \-----Alice Of Normandy
         |        |         /-----Ranulph III De MESCHINES, Earl Of Chester
         |        |        |        |                           /-----Ansfred Le Goz, Vicomte De Hiesmer
         |        |        |        |                  /-----Turstain De Goz, Vicount Of Hiemois
         |        |        |        |         /-----Richard Le Goz, Vicomte D'Avranches
         |        |        |         \-----Margaret Le Goz
         |        |        |                  \-----Emma
         |         \-----Adeliza Le MESCHIN
         |                 |                  /-----(Unk)
         |                 |         /-----Thorold Of Buckingham, Sheriff Of Lincoln
         |                  \-----Lucia Of East Angies
         |                          |         /-----William MALET
         |                           \-----(Unk Dau)
         |                                   |                  /-----Crispin De BEC
         |                                   |         /-----Gilbert Crespin, Lord Of Tillieres
         |                                   |        |         \-----Heloise De GUINES
         |                                    \-----Esilia CRISPIN
         |                                            |         /-----Baudry
         |                                             \-----Gunnor De ANJOU
         |                                                      \-----(Unk Dau) Of Brionne
 /-----Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
|        |                                    /-----(Unk) De St James
|        |                           /-----Eudo De St James
|        |                  /-----Hasculf De St JAMES, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |         /-----James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
|        |        |         \-----Matilda
|         \-----Maud St. HILLARY
|                  \-----Aveline
Hawise De CLARE
|                                                               /-----Richard I The Fearless Duke Of Normandy
|                                                      /-----Richard II The Good Duke Of Normandy
|                                                     |         \-----Gunnora
|                                             /-----Robert I The Devil Duke Of Normandy
|                                            |        |         /-----Conan I Duke Of Brittany
|                                            |         \-----Judith Of Brittany
|                                            |                  \-----Ermengarde Of Anjou
|                                    /-----William The Conqueror King Of England
|                                   |        |         /-----Fulbert Of Falaise
|                                   |         \-----Herleve Of Falaise
|                                   |                  \-----Duxia
|                           /-----Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
|                          |        |                           /-----Arnold II The Young Count Of Flanders
|                          |        |                  /-----Baldwin IV The Bearded Count Of Flanders
|                          |        |                 |         \-----Rosela Of Italy
|                          |        |         /-----Baldwin V Count Of Flanders
|                          |        |        |        |         /-----Frederick I Count Of Luxemburg
|                          |        |        |         \-----Ogive Of Luxembourg
|                          |        |        |                  \-----Ermentrude Of Kinziggau
|                          |         \-----Maud Of Flanders
|                          |                 |                  /-----Hugh Capet King Of France
|                          |                 |         /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
|                          |                 |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Poitou
|                          |                  \-----Adelaide Of France
|                          |                          |         /-----William I Count Of Aries And Provence
|                          |                           \-----Constance Of Provence
|                          |                                    \-----Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
|                  /-----Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
|         /-----William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
|        |        |                           /-----Hamon-Aux-Dents Lord Of Torigny
|        |        |                  /-----Hamon Sheriff Of Kent
|        |        |         /-----Robert FITZ HAMOND, Lord Of Tewkesbury
|        |         \-----Maud FITZ HAMOND
|        |                 |                           /-----Hugh De Montgomery
|        |                 |                  /-----Roger De Montgomery, Seigneur Of Montgomery
|        |                 |                 |         \-----Josceline
|        |                 |                 |                  \-----Senfrie
|        |                 |         /-----Roger De Montgomery, Earl Of Shrewsbury
|        |                 |        |         \-----Emma
|        |                  \-----Sybil De Montgomery
|        |                          |                           /-----Guilleume Lord of Belleme
|        |                          |                  /-----William I Count Of Alencon And Bellasme
|        |                          |                 |         \-----Mathilda Dame De Conde-Sur-Noireau
|        |                          |         /-----William II TALVAS
|        |                          |        |         \-----Mathilde
|        |                           \-----Mabel De Belesme
|        |                                   |         /-----Arnulf
|        |                                    \-----Hildeburg
 \-----Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
         |                                                      /-----Torf The Rich
         |                                             /-----Thorold Seigeur Of Pont-Audemer
         |                                            |         \-----Etemberga De Briquebec
         |                                    /-----Humphrey De Vieilles
         |                                   |        |         /-----(Unk) Forquelar Of Cirques
         |                                   |         \-----Aveline
         |                           /-----Roger De Beaumont
         |                          |         \-----Aubreye De La Haie
         |                  /-----Sir Robert De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |                 |        |                           /-----Galeran II Count Of Meulen
         |                 |        |                  /-----Hugo I Count Of Meulen
         |                 |        |         /-----Waleran Count Of Meulan
         |                 |        |        |        |         /-----Walter II Count Of Amiens, Valois, And The Vexin
         |                 |        |        |         \-----Oda Of Valois
         |                 |        |        |                  \-----Adele
         |                 |         \-----Adelise Of Meulan
         |                 |                  \-----Ode
         |         /-----Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
         |        |        |                                    /-----Hugh Capet King Of France
         |        |        |                           /-----Robert II The Pious King Of France
         |        |        |                          |         \-----Adelaide Of Poitou
         |        |        |                  /-----Henry I King Of France
         |        |        |                 |        |         /-----William I Count Of Aries And Provence
         |        |        |                 |         \-----Constance Of Provence
         |        |        |                 |                  \-----Adelaide (Blanch) Of Anjou
         |        |        |         /-----Hugh Magnus Duke Of France
         |        |        |        |        |                  /-----Saint Vladimir Grand Prince Of Kiev
         |        |        |        |        |         /-----Jaroslav I Grand Prince Of Kiev
         |        |        |        |        |        |         \-----Rogneide Of Polotzk
         |        |        |        |         \-----Anne Of Kiev
         |        |        |        |                 |         /-----Olaf III SKOTKONUNG, King Of Sweden
         |        |        |        |                  \-----Ingegard
         |        |        |        |                           \-----Astrid
         |        |         \-----Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
         |        |                 |                           /-----Herbert III Count Of Vermandois
         |        |                 |                  /-----Eudes Count Of Vermandois
         |        |                 |                 |         \-----Ermengarde Of Bar
         |        |                 |         /-----Herbert IV Count Of Vermandois
         |        |                 |        |         \-----Parvie
         |        |                  \-----Adelaide De Vermandois, Countess Of Vermandois
         |        |                          |                  /-----Raoul II Seigneur Of Crepy And Valois
         |        |                          |         /-----Raoul III The Great Count Of Valois And Vexin
         |        |                          |        |         \-----Adelaide Of Bretemil
         |        |                           \-----Adela De Valois
         |        |                                   |         /-----Nocher III Count Of Bar-Sur-Aube
         |        |                                    \-----Adela
          \-----Hawise DeBEAUMONT
                  |                           /-----Ralph De Gael, Earl Of Norfolk
                  |                  /-----Ralph De Gael De Montfort, Earl Of Norfolk
                  |                 |         \-----Getha
                  |         /-----Ralph De MONTFORT, Seigneur Of Montfort-Gael
                  |        |        |                           /-----Herfast
                  |        |        |                  /-----Osbern De Crepon, Steward Of Normandy
                  |        |        |         /-----William Fitz Osbern, Earl Of Hereford
                  |        |        |        |        |         /-----Ralph Count Of Ivry
                  |        |        |        |         \-----Emma Abbess Of St. Amand
                  |        |        |        |                  \-----Albereda
                  |        |         \-----Emma Fitz Osbern
                  |        |                 |                  /-----Ralph II De TOENI, Seigneur Of Tonsi And Conches
                  |        |                 |         /-----Roger I De TOENI
                  |        |                  \-----Adelise De TONI
                  |        |                           \-----Godehildie
                   \-----Amicia De Gael



Descendants of Hawise De CLARE
1. Hawise De CLARE m. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich
m. Sir Geoffrey De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich father: Geoffrey De SAY mother: Alice De CHESNEY

2nd generation

2. Sir William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m1. Sibyl m2. Mary
m. Sibyl
m. Mary

3rd generation

5. Agnes De SAY m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE
m. Sir Alexander De CHEYNE father: Alexander De CHEYNE
6. (Unk) De SAY m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley
m. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley father: Sir Bartholomew De SUDELEY, Baron Of Sudeley mother: Joan De BEAUCHAMP
7. Hawise De SAY m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering
m. John MARSHALL, Baron Of Hockering father: Sir William MARSHAL mother: Pernel Del ORTIAY
8. John De SAY m. Mary
m. Mary
9. Alice De SAY m. William De La FORDE
m. William De La FORDE father: Laurence De La FORDE
10. William De SAY, Baron Of West Greenwich m. Elizabeth
m. Elizabeth

4th generation

11. William De CHEYNE m. Margaret De SHURLAND
m. Margaret De SHURLAND father: Sir Robert De SHURLAND mother: Margery
12. Bartholomew De SUDELEY m. Maud De MONTFORT
m. Maud De MONTFORT father: John De MONTFORT, Lord Montfort mother: Alice De La PLAUNCHE
16. William MARSHALL, Lord Marshall m. Christian FITZ ROBERT
m. Christian FITZ ROBERT father: Sir Robert FITZ WALTER, Lord Fitz Walter mother: Devorguilla De BURGH
19. Mary De SAY m. John De NORTHWODE
m. John De NORTHWODE father: John De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode mother: Joan De BADLESMERE
20. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Idoine De LEYBURN
m. Idoine De LEYBURN father: William De LEYBURN, Lord Leyburn mother: Juliane De SANDWICH

5th generation

22. Sir Robert De CHEYNE m.
24. John De SUDELEY, Lord Sudeley m. Eleanor SCALES
m. Eleanor SCALES father: Sir Robert De SCALES, Lord Scales mother: Egeline De COURTENAY
27. Hawise MARSHALL, Baroness Marshall m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley
m. Robert De MORLEY, Lord Morley father: William De MORLEY, Lord Morley mother: Cecily De MOHAUT
29. Joan De NORTHWODE m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill
m. Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill father: Bewes De KNOVILL, Lord Knovill mother: Joan De La HYDE
30. Juliane De SAY m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode
m. Roger De NORTHWODE, Lord Northwode father: John De NORTHWODE mother: Agnes De GRANDISON
31. Katherine De SAY m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham
m. John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham father: John De St JOHN, Lord St John Of Lageham mother: Margery
35. Geoffrey De SAY, Lord Say m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP
m. Maud De BEAUCHAMP father: Sir Guy De BEAUCHAMP, Earl Of Warwick mother: Alice De TOENI