Family:
Marriage:
Children:
- Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas Birth: Abt 1370
Death: 17 Aug 1424 in Verneuil, Normandy
- James DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas Birth: 2
Death: Abt 24 Mar 1442/3
- Mary DOUGLAS Death: Before 11 May 1421
- Joan DOUGLAS
Bibliography
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 01 A-Basing. London: St Catherine Press, 1910. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 1 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo01coka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP I [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 04 Dacre-Dysart. London: St Catherine Press, 1916. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/271412 Vol 4 also available at http://archive.org/completepeerageo04byucoka Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP IV [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Cokayne, George Edward, Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, extant, extinct, or dormant, vol 11, Ridley-Sinclair. London: St Catherine Press, 1949. Reprinted (4 per page) Gloucester: A Sutton, 1982. Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/27141 Information from this source tagged as [Ref: CP XI [Ap][p0-9].*].
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Richardson, Douglas, First wife of Murdoch, Duke of Albany. Posting to soc.genealogy.medieval (email list GEN-MEDIEVAL) on 3/1/2018. Subject: First wife of Murdoch, Duke of Albany. Available at https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/_UTxa31LocI/m/3-jm6a10BAAJ. Author address: celticprince at gmail dot com. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023].
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Paul, Sir James Balfour, Scots Peerage: founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that Kingdom. Edinburgh: David Douglas, 1904. NYPL ARO (Scots Peerage) (too fragile to copy). Available at https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/216265. Information from this source tagged as [Ref: SP VI p[0-9]*].
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Sources for birth and parent Information
- parents:
- [Ref: CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV p557), John Ravilious SGM
1/1/2006-150721],
- father:
- [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p620, SP III p162],
- note:
- SGM posting updates RoyalAnc v1p649, without any acknowledgement that it
was in error [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023]
Sources with Inaccurate birth and parent Information
- parents:
- Maurice de MORAY (#23927) & Joan MONTEITH (#23924) [Ref: CP IV p433],
- father:
- Maurice de MORAY (#23927) [Ref: CP IV p383, Richardson RoyalAnc
v1p649]
Sources for death Information
- date:
- living Jan 1402/3, died before Aug 1409 [Ref: CP IV p433, SP III p163]
Sources with Information about marriage to Archibald DOUGLAS, Earl Of Douglas
- names:
- [Ref: SP III p161],
- child:
- [Ref: CP I p359, CP IV p383, CP IV p435, CP XI p208 (with corr in XIV
p557), Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023, John Ravilious SGM
1/1/2006-150721, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p620, Richardson RoyalAnc v1p649, SP
III p163]
Sources with Inaccurate marriage information
- names:
- Archibald Douglas & Joan MORAY (#149079) [Ref: CP IV p433, SP VI p133,
SP VIII p257, Thompson CharlesII v13-93(77)]
Research Notes:
Lady of Bothwell [Ref: SP III p162]
heiress of her father [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM 3/1/2018-131023, Richardson
RoyalAnc v1p620, SP III p162]
survived her husband, the Earl, and after his death granted portions of
the heritage of Bothwell in her own name. [Ref: SP III p163]
23 Jul 1362: dispensation was granted for marriage of Joan, relict of Sir
Thomas Moray, and Archibald. This statement has been ignored by all historians
of the Douglasas, including Sir William Fraser, who maintains that "it
conflicts with all evidence on the subject of Sir Thomas Moray's descent, and
with it the fact that Joanna of Moray calls herself, and is styled, Lady of
Bothwell." [Ref: SP III p161]
There are two pieces of evidence which prove Joan de Douglas' parentage:
1. Fraser, Douglas Book 1 (1885): 443, endnote 2 (James de Douglas, lord of
Balvany, styled "brother" [i.e., brother-in-law] by Murdach, Duke of Albany in
charters dated 1423 and 1424).
2. Fraser, Douglas Book 3 (1885): 54-56 (Archibald de Douglas, 4th Earl of
Douglas, lord of Galloway and Annandale, styled "brother" [i.e.,
brother-in-law] [fratris] by Murdach, Duke of Albany, Governor of Scotland in
confirmation charter dated 1421). [Ref: Douglas Richardson SGM
3/1/2018-131023]
Pedigree of Joan MORAY
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William De MORAVIA
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Sir Walter De MORAVIA
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Sir William De MORAVIA
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Sir Walter De MORAVIA
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Duncan MACDUFF
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Malcolm MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife
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Alice CORBET
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Llewellyn Fawr The Great AP IORWORTH, Prince Of North Wales
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(Unk Dau)
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Joan
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Sir Andrew De MORAVIA
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Walter OLIFARD
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Walter OLIFARD, Justiciar Of Lothian
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Christian Of Strathern
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David OLIFARD, Lord Of Bothwell
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Isabel
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Sir Laurence De ABERNETHY
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Patrick De ABERNETHY
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Devorguile Of Galloway
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Devergulla De ABERNETHY
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Sir Andrew De MORAVIA
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Richard COMYN
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William COMYN, Earl Of Buchan
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Hextilde of Tynedale
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Richard COMYN
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William De VESCY, Baron Of Alnwick
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(Unk)
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Burga De STUTEVILLE
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Sir John The Red COMYN
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(Unk Dau) COMYN
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Eve
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Sir Andrew MORAY
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Sir Thomas MORAY, Lord Of Bothwell
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Robert De BRUS, Baron Of Skelton
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Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale
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Agnes PAYNEL
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William De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale
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Ingelran Of Aumale
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Euphemia
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Robert De BRUS, Lord Of Annandale
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Alan FITZ FLEALD
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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Avelina De HESDIN
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Christina
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Thomas Of London
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Sechym De MOILE
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Sir Robert De BRUS, Baron Of Writtle
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David I The Saint King Of Scots
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Henry Of Huntingdon, Earl Of Huntingdon
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Maud Of Huntingdon
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David Earl Of Huntingdon
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William II De Warrene, Earl Of Surrey
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Ada De WARENNE
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Isabel De Vermandois, Countess Of Leicester
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Isabella Of Huntingdon
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Ranulf De GERNON, Earl Of Chester, Vicomte D'Avranches
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Hugh Of Kevelioc, Earl Of Chester
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Maud De CAEN
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Maud Of Chester
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Simon De MONTFORT, Count Of Evreux
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Bertrade De MONTFORT
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Maud
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Sir Robert De BRUS, Earl Of Carrick, Lord Of Annand
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Richard FITZ GILBERT De CLARE, Baron Of Clare
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Roger De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford
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Adeliza Le MESCHIN
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Richard De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford, MC Surety
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James De St HILARY, Baron Of Field Dalling
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Maud St. HILLARY
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Aveline
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Sir Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Hertford And Glouceste
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Robert The Consul De CAEN, Earl Of Gloucester
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William Meullant FITZ ROBERT, Earl Of Gloucester
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Maud FITZ HAMOND
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Amice MEULANT, Countess Of Gloucester
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Sir Robert II De Beaumont, Earl Of Leicester
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Hawise DeBEAUMONT
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Amicia De Gael
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Isabel De CLARE
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Gilbert GIFFARD, Marshal
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John Fitz GILBERT The Marshal
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(Unk dau) De VENOIZ
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Sir William MARSHALL, Protector, Earl Of Pembroke
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Walter De SALISBURY, Baron Of Chitterne
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Sibyl De SALISBURY
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Sibyl De CHAWORTH
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Isabel MARSHALL
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Gilbert De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Richard "Strongbow" De CLARE, Earl Of Pembroke
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Elizabeth De BEAUMONT
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Isabel De CLARE, Countess Of Pembroke
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Dairmait Mac MURCHAD, King Of Leinster
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Aoife Macmurchada Of Leinster
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Mor Ua TUATHAIL
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Christian BRUCE
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Fergus Lord Of Galloway
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Gilbert Of Galloway
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Sibyl/Elizabeth
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Duncan Earl Of Carrick
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Duncan MACDUFF, Earl Of Fife, Regent Of Scotlan
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Aufrica
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Nicol Of Carrick
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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Alan High Steward Of Scotland
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Sechym De MOILE
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Avelina Of Scotland
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Swan
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Eva
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Neil Earl Of Carrick, Regent Of Scotland
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Niall Ruadh O'NEILL
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(Unk) O'NEILL
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Margaret Of Carrick, Countess Of Carrick
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Isabella
Joan MORAY
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Sir William MORAY
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Sir John MORAY
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Sir Maurice MORAY, Earl Of Strathern
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Joan MORAY
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Alan FITZ FLEALD
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Walter FITZALAN, High Steward Of Scotland
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Avelina De HESDIN
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Alan High Steward Of Scotland
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Thomas Of London
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Sechym De MOILE
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Walter Stewart, High Steward Of Scotland
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Swan
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Eva
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Walter STEWART, Earl Of Menteith
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Gilbride Earl Of Angus
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Gilchrist Earl Of Angus
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Gospatric I Earl Of Northumberland
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(Unk Dau) Of Dunbar
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(Unk Dau)
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Beatrix Of Angus
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Sir John De MONTEITH
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(Unk) Of Menteith
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Maurice The Younger Earl Of Menteith
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Mary Of Menteith, Countess Of Menteith
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Joan De MONTEITH
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