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From: Stewart Baldwin < >
Subject: Re: King Cole
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:49:46 GMT
(Tony Ashdon) wrote:
>I am horabily stuck on 3 different King Coles. 2 around 100 AD and one
>around 200+ AD.
>Can any one please supply about 2 generations up and down on King
>Cole(s)??
For the time periods you are referring to, you are dealing with
mythical individuals who never existed, so there is nothing to supply.
There was a legendary king Cole, Coel Hen, who, if he existed at all
(and there is considerable doubt about that), would have lived in the
fifth century, much later than the time period you are talking about.
Genealogical manuscripts of the eleventh century and later make this
Coel Hen the great-great-grandfather of several individuals who lived
during the late sixth century. The earliest manuscript genealogy of
Coel Hen, in Harleian MS. 3859 (an eleventh century manuscript
containing material which was probably written in the mid-tenth
century), gives Coel ("Coil Hen" or "Coyl Hen") sons named Ceneu,
Garbaniaun, and Gurgust, and gives the first few generations of his
ancestry as "... Coyl Hen (map) Guotepauc map Tecmant map Teuhant map
Telpuil map Vrban map Grat map ...", etc., where "map" is the old
Welsh word for "son" (later shortened to "ap"). (The "map" in
parentheses is not in the manuscript, but it is generally felt, from
comparison with later manuscripts which have the same genealogy, that
the word was accidently left out.) There is no good reason to believe
that any of these names are those of historical individuals.
Stewart Baldwin
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