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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Teresa Alphonso de Castile, b c 1070
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 18:55:06 -0500


"Don Mcarthur" < > wrote:

> whilst going through the proposed descent from the Prophet, I came across a
> problem with Teresa Alphonso, daughter of Alphonso VI, K. Castile & Leon -
> who was her mother ?
>
> Hull gives her as the daughter of Agnes de Poitou, she was divorced in
> 1079.

Wrong. Alfonso had no children by Agnes.
>
> Lines of succession, Table 115 has her as a natural daughter - of Jimena de
> Guzman ?
>
> The CD ROM Nobility of the HRE has her as the daughter of Jimena Nunez, the
> same as de Guzman ?

She was actually Jimena Munoz, daughter of Muno Rodriguez, who is
currently thought to have been the progenitor of the Guzman family, but
neither Muno or Jimena used any surname.

>
> It gets worse for the CD, it gives Teresa's husband as Henrique de Portugal
> Duque de Vizeu, 4 Mar 1394 - 13 Nov 1460, son of Joao I Rey de Portugal &
> Phillipa of Lancaster - a slight generational mismatch. I have the husband
> as Henri de Bourgogne, Count of Portugal, son of Henri by Sybille de
> Barcelona. Who was she, various genealogies have her as Sybille daughter of
> Renaud I, Count of Burgundy - I presume incorrectly.

All we know (or at least think we know) is that Henry de
Bourgogne(Duchy), husband of Teresa of Portugal was a "cousin" of his
brother-in-law Raymond de Bourgogne(County), husband of Urraca, Queen of
Leon and Castile.

Since Raymond's mother Stephanie could not have been from the Duchy of
Burgundy (or else Raymond and his wife, the daughter of Constance of
Burgundy, would have been first cousins), most authors have made Henry's
mother (called Sybilla, but perhaps without sound basis) daughter of
Renaud, Raymond's grandfather. However, there is no direct evidence fot
this, and it is not clear that "cousin" meant first cousin.

It was Szabolcs de Vajay who combined this question with the need to
explain the use of the Catalonian name Borrel by the Burgundy Dukes. In
a paper on the identity of Stephanie, he also addressed the parentage of
"Sybilla", and concluded that she was perhaps daughter of Berenger Ramon
I of Barcelona by his second wife, Guisla de Ampurias (in an unfortunate
editorial oversight, BRI is called Ramon Berenger I in the text, and
this was copied by Sheppard in AR7, but it is clear from the context
that Berenger Ramon I is intended). He then makes Stephanie a
descendant of the family of Carcasonne, from which Berenger Ramon's
mother came, making the two Burgundian brothers-in-law third cousins.

Leo van de Pas < > wrote:

> ..........The Prince von Isenburg marks her simply off as illegitimate.
> Schwennicke gives as her mother : Jimena Nunez, died in 1128, daughter
> of Munio Rodriguez and Jimena Ordonez.

As I said above, she was Jimena Munoz, and if I recall correctly, she
was not daughter of Jimena Ordonez.

> Also, in Schwennicke Volume II page 57, where Jimena Nunez is mentioned,
> there are also disagreements in regards to Zaida. According to this page
> Alfonso VI married fourthly Isabel, who died 12 September 1107, had been
> widow of Prince Al Mamun of Seville, and was daughter of Abn-Alhaje King of
> Denia. For this fourth marriage three children (I belief erroneously) are
> given. Sancho born circa 1098, killed in battle 30 May 1108, Sancha and
> Elvira. Whether the mother of this Sancho was Zaida a concubine; and wife
> nr. 4 a different person, this entry also cuts off the bloodline from
> Seville.

This represents the current Spanish view, that the wife Isabella, and
the mistress Zaida/Isabella are the same person. The argument is that
the surviving tombstones are late forgeries (probably correct) and that
the chronical account of Alfonso's marriage to a christian Isabella was
whitewashed to remove the stain of muslim blood (much harder to
address).

More on this elsewhere.

ta

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