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From: "Colin Bevan" < >
Subject: Re: Paston - Fastolf connection
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:24:59 +1200
Hi Richard
Good to see you are on the ball!
Yes you are right Sir Constantine's death should read 1358/9
I was under the impression she died on 17 June 1482, but I may be wrong - I
will check sources and get back to you.
COPY OF WILL 1482
In the name of God, amen. I, Margaret Paston, widowe, late the wiff of
John
Paston, squier, doughter and heire to John Mauteby, squier, hole of spirit
and
mynde, with parfite avisement and good deliberacion, the iiijte day of
February
in the yer of our Lord God a ml cccclxxxj, make my testament and last wille
in
this fourme folowyng. First, I betake my sowle to God Almyghty and to Our
Lady
his blissed moder, Seint Michael, Seint John Baptist, and to alle seintes,
and
my body to be beried in the ele of the cherch of Mauteby byfore the ymage of
Our
Lady there, jn which ele reste the bodies of diuers of myn aunceteres, whos
sowles God assoile.
Item, I bequethe to the high awter of the seid cherch of Mauteby xx s.
Item, I wulle that the seid ele in which my body shalbe beried be newe
roved,
leded, and glased, and the walles therof heyned conuenyently and werkmanly.
Item, I wull that myn executours purveye a stoon of marble to be leyde
alofte
vpon my grave within a yer next after my decesse; and vpon that stoon I
wulle
have iiij scochens sett at the iiij corners, wherof I wulle that the first
scochen shalbe of my husbondes armes and myn departed, the ijde of Mawtebys
armes and Berneys of Redham departed, the iijde of
Mawtebys armes and the Lord Loveyn departed, the iijte of Mawtebys armes and
Sir
Roger Beauchamp departed. And in myddys of the seid stoon I wull have a
scochen
sett of Mawtebys armes allone, and vnder the same thise wordes wretyn: 'In
God
is my trust'; with a scripture wretyn in the verges therof rehersyng thise
wordes: 'Here lieth Margret Paston, late the wif of John Paston, doughter
and
heire of John Mawteby, squier', and forth in the same scripture rehersed the
day
of the moneth and the yer that I shall decesse, 'on whos sowle God have
mercy'.
Item, I wulle that myn executours shall purveye xij pore meen of my
tenauntes,
or other if they suffice not, the which I wulle shalbe apparailled in white
gownes with hodes according, to holde xij torches abowte myn herse or bere
at
such tyme as I shalbe beried, during the exequies and masse of my berying;
which
xij torches I wille remayne in the seid cherch of Mawteby whil they may last
for
my yerday.
That she was descended from Sir Roger Beauchamp, I don't see any reason to
doubt if she believed it herself. The exact relationship has been extracted
from a contemporary pedigree which was drawn up after the marriage of Sir
John Paston and Margaret Mauteby in 1440.
The Pastons were very aware who was kin, and who wasn't, as can be deduced
from the manner of their letter writing.
Cheers
Rosie
----- Original Message ----- > >>In 1459 Sir John Fastolf of Caistor,
Norfolk, died and left in his will, a
> >considerable amount of property to Sir John Paston which the latter was
> >only able to enjoy for a few years until his death, and which his son and
> >wife had to fight hard to retain. Paston's wife Margaret Mauteby was
known
> >to be kin of Fastolf, because they addressed each other as such in their
> >letters, but it has never been really clear in which way they were
related.
> >>Recently, while researching the Mortimers of Attleburgh, with the
generous
> >help of Sonia Addis-Smith, I uncovered a number of family relationships
> >which could explain the Fastolf-Paston connection. This pedigree will
also
> >be of interest to those descended from the Cliftons of Buckenham,
Norfolk.
> >There are other siblings throughout the pedigree, which I have left off
for
> >the sake of brevity.
> >>
> >>
> Constantine de M who d.1358/59 was according to CP IX:249-50 the father,
by
> one of his two wives, of Robert who d.1387. Sir Constantine who d.1355
> predeceased his father and was Robert's elder brother.
>
> I thought Margaret Mauteby drew her will in 1482 but died 4 Nov 1484.
>
> Did Margaret actually state in her will that her paternal grandmother was
> Margaret Beauchamp? I have not seen the will.
>
> >>1. Sir Constantine de Mortimer of Attleborough, Norfolk b abt
1280-d.1355
> >[CP IX, 248]
> >>+ Agnes
> >> 2. Sir Robert Mortimer b abt 1310-d.1387 [CP IX, 250]
> >> + 1st wife Margery Fastolf d.1341 [CP IX, 250]
> >> + 2nd wife Margery d aft 1387
> >> 3. Sir Thomas Mortimer d. abt 1378 [CP IX, 250] [Blomefield,
v.XI,
> >p.207]
> >> + Mary Park da of Nicholas Park d 1406. They had 3 daughters.
> >> (Mary's second husband was John Fastolf and they were the
> >parents of Sir John Fastolf) [CP IX, 249] [Blomefield, v.XI, p.207]
> >[Fastolf's will 1459]
> >> 3.Eleanor Mortimer [Blomefield, v.1, p.375]
> >> + Adam de Clifton of Buckenham d.1367
> >> 4. Constantine de Clifton d bef 1367
> >> + Katherine de la Pole d.1363
> >> 4.Eleanor de Clifton [Mauteby pedigree, 1440]
> >> + Sir John Mauteby d 1403
> >> 5.Sir Robert Mauteby d 1434
> >> + Margaret de Beauchamp da. of Sir Roger Beauchamp of
> >Bletsoe [Margaret Mauteby's will dated 1482]
> >> 6. John Mauteby d. 1438 [Margaret Mauteby's will
dated
> >1482]
> >> + Margaret Berney d.1446
> >> 7.Margaret Mauteby d. 1482
> >> + Sir John Paston d. 1466
> >>
> >>>From this family grouping it seems possible that Margaret Mauteby and
> >Sir John Fastolf may have had two connections through the Mortimers of
> >Attleborough, if Eleanor and Thomas Mortimer were children of Margery
> >Fastolf, and Margery Fastolf was somehow related to Sir John. As eldest
of
> >the Mortimer children, it is likely that they were children of Margery.
> >>It also appears that Fastolf was eventual heir of at least one of his
> >Mortimer half sisters - Elizabeth.
> >>
> >>Now my question is - has anyone researched the Fastolf family of
Yarmouth/
> >Caistor/ Norfolk and/ or does anyone know the parentage of Margery
Fastolf?
> >I would appreciate any information or comments.
> >>
> >>Rosie Bevan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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