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From: "G . EDWARD ALLEN" < >
Subject: Re: Venables genealogy
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:06:27 -0700


Kay Robinson wrote:
>
> On 7 Jun 1999 10:13:27 -0700 (Henry Sutliff)
> sharpened a new quill and wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Ronald Strout wrote:
> >
> >> I am working on my daught-in-law's genealogy. I have discovered the
> >> Venables name in three places and would like to know more of their ancestry
> >> and how they may be connected. Here is what I have...
> >>
> >> Margery Venables (b. 1369) m. Randle Mainwaring. What is her ancestry?
> >>
> >> Angella Venables (b. 1350) m. William Brereton. Her father is(?) Hugh De
> >> Venables. What is Ancestry?
> >>
> >> Amabillia Venables (b. abt 1147) m. Richard Davenport. What is ancestry?
> >>
> >> I am hoping to get some answers on this mailing list.
> >>
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >I believe all three of these ladies are ancestors to Oliver Manawring of New
> >London, CT who is ancestor to a number of us on this list.
> >
> >Depending on the reliability of the following source (Henrietta Brady Brown,
> >Some Venables of England and America, Kinderton Press, Cincinnati, 1961), the
> >answers to your questions are:
> >
> >Margery and Angela de Venables are sisters, being daughters of Hugh de Venables
> >of Kinderton, Cheshire (d. 1383) by his wife Margery de Cotton of Rudheth,
> >Cheshire (d. aft 1398). Your birthdate for Angela seems much too early as I
> >have her marriage in 1391 with children following. Hugh had a second marriage
> >to an Ellen de Huxlegh, so I am not positive both daughters were of the same
> >marriage.
> >
> >Amabil was daughter of Gilbert de Venables and his wife Margery ________. This
> >Gilbert (ancestor of Hugh above) was almost certainly a descendant of Giselbert
> >de Venables, Domesday tenant of Earl Hugh. (See: Domesday People: A
> >Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English Documents, 1066-1166, by
> >Katharine S. B. Keats-Rohan, Boydell Press, 1999, p. 212).

Margery is supposed to be dtr. of Waltheof, son of Wolfric of Hatton.
> >
> >Hope this helps and hope someone else will correct if this is incorrect.
> >
> >Henry Sutliff
>
> I have a Joan de Venables of Cheshire marrying Thomas de Latham
> (c1330-1381) but no ancestry for her. If this is the same family do
> you have anything on her parentage?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Kay
>
> Please note that dial in my sig is spelt wrong
>
> Kay Robinson < >
> =================================================
> Researching: Ward; Moncreiff; Stafford; Howard;
> Eyre; Jones; Blount; Stanley; Fitzherbert

Ormerod's Hist. Ches.:

1. Joan.
2. Sir Hugh of Kinderton; d. 1353.
3. Katherine Houghton
4. Hugh Venables of Kinderton;
5. Agatha Vernon
6. Richard Hoghton.
8. William Venables of Kinderton; d. 1292.
9. Margaret Dutton of Dutton; d. after 1292.
16. Roger Venables.
17. Alice Peninton.
18. Thomas Dutton.
19. Philippa Standon.
32. Sir Hugh Venables; b. before 1228; d. after 1249.
33.Agnes de Oxton.
64. Sir William Venables; b. before 1188; d. ca. 1228.

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