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From: Richard Borthwick< >
Subject: Re: Who did Herbert I de Vermandois Marry?
Date: 13 Jul 1998 03:23:40 -0700


At 05:26 PM 12/07/98 GMT, you wrote:
>In article < >, wrote:
>
>> The question has been raised as to whom was Herbert I de Vermandois (ca.
>> 840-902) married. The choices appear to be: 1. Beatrice (Bertha) of
Morvois
>> OR: 2. Richilde, daughter of Robert "the Strong" IV, Count of Wormgau,
Anjou,
>> Blois, Auxerre, and Nevers. Does anyone have any documentation as to whom
>> poor Herbert was wed to? All help appreciated.
>> TIA
>> Phyllis
>
> Robert IV "the Strong", count in the Wormsgau (Robert I as Count of
>Paris) m2 Adelaide of Tours. Their son, Robert II, Count of Paris, etc.,
>m. Beatrice of Vermandois, dau. of Herbert I of Vermandois and Beatrice
>(Bertha) of Morvois.
>
> Possibly a Richilde was dau. of Robert IV (I, of Paris) and his first
>wife, Agnes. Richilde m. Theobald, Count of Tours.
>
> See, e.g., ES ii, 10 and iii, 49; also Weis, AR 48:17 & 18.
>
>--
>Alan B. Wilson
>
>
The marriage of Robert the Strong to Adelais dau. of Hugo count of Tours is
much disputed. Settipani *La prehistoire des Capetiens 481-987: Premiere
Partie* p.400 n.13 reviews the litertaure on this subject. His own tentative
solution is to make his wife Emma a dau. of Adelais and Konrad of Auxerre
(to whom Adelais was certainly married). He notes that the argument for his
own solution will be forthcoming in the second part of his work. The
negative thesis that Adelais was not Robert's wife is strong. That the
transmission of the name 'Hugo' to the Capetian clan is from the Etichonid
Hugo of Tours is also probable (or stronger). I will be interested to see
Settipani's arguments.
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