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From: John Steele Gordon < >
Subject: Re: Stonors/de la Poles/Forsters
Date: 13 Nov 1998 21:09:09 GMT


wrote:

> I'm trying to sort out this genealogy. I guess I'll start from the top.
> One Joan de la Pole I found listed (with reference to Faris' Plantagenet
> Ancestry, which I don't have access to, unfortunately) on the Internet as a
> daughter of William Duke of Suffolk (c.1395-1450) and wife of Thomas Stonor. I
> have a note on a Thomas Stonor, d. 3 May 1440, an MP. Faris seems to give one
> Sir William Stonor d.21 May 1484 as Thomas and Joan's son.
> Some uncited internet sites give Sir William a sister, Alice, who married
> Humphrey Forster (1458-1500). But one reference makes Alice the daughter of
> Thomas Stonor and Alice Kirby.
> Question 1) Is Joan the daughter of Alice Chaucer? She could be, judging by
> the dates, assuming that Sir William and Alice were born in the 1460s. If not,
> who was her mother?
> Question 2) Are there 2 Thomas Stonors? The MP seems to be the wrong
> generation.
> Question 3) Who are Alice Stonor's parents?
> Question 4) What is known about the Stonors' ancestry?
>

According to Faris (p. 195) Joan was a baseborn daughter of William de la Pole,
Duke of Suffolk. He says nothing of her mother, but on p. 193 he says that Alice
Chaucer was the wife of Sir John Phelip (died Oct 2 1415) and then of Thomas
Montagu, Earl of Salisbury and then of William de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk. (She
certainly moved briskly up the social ladder from knight to earl to duke.) No
children are given for her, but she couldn't be the mother of Joan as the latter,
according to Faris, was a bastard.

Faris is silent on any siblings of Sir William Stonor (son of Thomas and Joan de
la Pole). Faris states that he married Anne Neville in autumn of 1481, but gives
his death date as May 21 1474 (not 1484). So one of those dates must be a typo.
His reference is The Genealogist 9:189 (1988).

He makes no mention of the Stonors before Thomas.

John Steele Gordon

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