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From: John Ravilious < >
Subject: Re: The Scottish Competitors
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:20:06 -0500
mike stone wrote:
>
> I have a confused recollection that I recently saw (either in a book or on a
> website) a genealogical tree showing *all* thirteen "competitors" for the
> Scottish throne in 1290 - even including the ones descended from royal
> bastards.
>
> Has anyone else seen it? If so I should appreciate a reminder of where it is.
>
> --
> Mike Stone - Peterborough England
>
> "The English people are like the English beer.
>
> Froth on top, dregs at the bottom, the middle excellent" - Voltaire
Wednesday, November 17, 1999
Unfortunately, I have not seen the tree you are referring to - the
closest I find (which is not close at all) is table entitled _the
Succession, 1290-1292_ provided by Professor Barrow [Robert Bruce and
the Community of the Realm in Scotland, Edinburgh, 1965], which shows
the relationship of 5 of the competitors.
There were in fact 13 competitors, if one discounts the claim
Edward I of England allegedly made for form's sake (supposedly as
great-uncle of the late Queen Margaret, and not from his own descent
from Malcolm III). In the order my notes reflect them (which is
supposedly the order in which they were recorded in August 1291), they
were:
Competitor Descended from:
1. Floris V, Count of Holland Henry, Earl of Huntingdon
(through daughter Ada)
2. Patrick de Dunbar, Earl
of March (7th Earl) William _the Lion_
(illegitimate through
his daughter Ada)
3. William de Vesci William _the Lion_
(illegitimate through
his daughter Margaret)
4. William de Ros, 2nd Lord
Ros William _the Lion_
(illegitimate through
his daughter Isabel)
5. Robert de Pinkeney Henry, Earl of Huntingdon
(illegitimate through
daughter Marjory)
6. Nicholas de Soules Alexander II
(illegitimate through
his daughter Marjory)
7. Patrick de Galithly William _the Lion_
(illegitimate through
his son Henry de Galithly)
8. Roger de Mandeville William _the Lion_
(illegitimate through
his daughter Aufrica)
9. John de Comyn, Lord of
Badenoch (the _Black_ Comyn) Domnall III or _Donalbane_
king of Scots ca 1094-1097
(through daughter Bethoc)
10. John de Hastings, 2nd
Lord Hastings David, Earl of Huntingdon
(through daughter Ada)
11. John de Balliol, Lord of
Galloway (afterward
John, King of Scots) David, Earl of Huntingdon
(through eldest daughter,
Margaret)
12. Robert de Brus or Bruce,
Lord of Annandale
(grandfather of _the_ Bruce) David, Earl of Huntingdon
(through daughter Isabel)
13. Eric II, King of Norway Margaret, Queen (d. 1290)
(as father and heir)
I do not have the above in table or chart form. However, if there
is any need or interest, please let me know.
Nemo me impune lacessit.
John
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