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From: "Douglas Richardson" < >
Subject: Re: The Earls of Carrick and their descendants
Date: 28 Nov 2005 18:57:36 -0800
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Stewart Baldwin wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 04:35:15 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
>
> [much snipping]
>
> > The Lords of Galloway
> >
> >
> > Fergus = NN (theorized kinswoman Duncan
> > L of Galloway I of Henry II of England) E of Fife
> > d. 1161 I I____
> > ________________I___________________ I
> > I I I I
>
> The word "theorized" can be removed here. As has been discussed here
> in the past, there are several good independent sources referring to
> various descendants of Fergus as relatives of Henry II or other
> English kings (one of which specifies the relationship as coming
> through Henry's mother), leaving no reasonable doubt that either
> Fergus or his wife was related to Henry II. Given the general
> unlikelihood of a relationship between Fergus and Henry, a kinship
> between Fergus's unknown wife and Henry II can be regarded as pretty
> solid. It is the exact nature of that kinship where the "theorizing"
> comes in. The simplest and most probable theory is that "NN" was an
> illegitimate daughter of Henry I, but other alternatives, although
> somewhat unlikely, are not ruled out by the known evidence.
>
> Stewart Baldwin

Dear Stewart ~

If you have no direct evidence as to the exact nature of Fergus' wife's
kinship to the English kings, you are clearly pressing the point to say
that the "simplest and most probable theory" is that Fergus' wife was
an illegitimate daughter of Henry I. The fact is we don't know how the
two families were related. Anything beyond that statement is idle
speculation on your part. It has nothing to do with probabilities.

As I've indicated in an earlier post, I believe that the wife of Fergus
of Galloway was likely the sister of William Fitz Duncan, grandson of
Malcolm Canmore, King of Scotland. I'm basing this on an association
that I've noted in the records between Fergus of Galloway and William
Fitz Duncan. As you're well aware, William Fitz Duncan was near
related to all of the English kings from King Henry II forward. As
such, this theory can also be considered a "simple" explanation as to
how the Galloway family was related to the English royal family.

However, I wouldn't bet the farm on either theory. More research needs
to be done.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net


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