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From: "Ivor West" < >
Subject: Re: CHAMPERNOUN, Q&A's (long)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:04:03 GMT
Kathie Weigel < > wrote in message
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> >>The reason I bring this up, is because I am wondering if Oliver was
> >>married twice. In the account you give of Oliver's son Henry (m.
> >>Dionisia), you show Henry holding a manor by gift of Isolda de
> >>Cardinham. If Isolda was merely the sister of Henry's grandfather's
> >>sister-in-law, then why would she gift Henry with land?
> >1d. With regard to the gift of Isolda de Cardinham to Henry de
> >Champernoun,
> >in 1270, the parties involved in the fine were Hugh de Treverbin,
grandson
> >of Isolda de Cardinham, and Henry de Champernoun, grandson of Isolda's
> >sister Emma's husband Jordan's brother Henry. We don't know why Isolda
> >made a gift of these manors to Henry. I don't believe it was just
because
> >of the
> >foregoing relationship, which really is no relationship at all and the
fact
> >that there were some family ties may be coincidental with no bearing on
the
> >gift. This may have been because of some business arrangement.
Afterall,
> >why did Isolda not pass these manors on to her own descendants?
You may be looking in the wrong direction. Joan, wife of Henry's son
William de Champernoun, is shown by Benson, in his D&CNQ 18 article on
Ferrers of Bere Ferrers, as the daughter of Reginald de Ferrers and Margery
le Dennys and so the granddaughter of William de Ferrers and Isolda de
Cardinam. Isolda lived long enough to see her granddaughter Joan married to
William de Champernoun and so was, in effect, keeping it in the family by
passing the manor to her granddaughter's husband by way of his father Henry.
> > Iseult was the wife of Andrew Cardinham, who had died 1252-4,
> >and their heirs were their two daughters Emma, wife of Odo de Treverbin
and
> >Isolda, wife of Thomas de Tracy, then William de Ferrers.
I think you will find that Emma was not Andrew's daughter but his younger
brother Robert's. Robert de Cardinam married an Emma and had a daughter
Emma who married Odo de Treverbyn. (Cornwall Fines 56, 222, 241).
Ivor West
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