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From: William Addams Reitwiesner < >
Subject: Re: William the Conqueror
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:17:11 GMT
(Tfbrandi) wrote:
>I was wondering the same as you, Richard. Things did seem to be skirting
>the periphery of pedantia. Entertaining, though.
>I have just discovered my own (possible) descent, twice, from Wm. the
>Conqueror, and seek advice/guidance/approval about the lines as I have
>them to see if I have them correctly. The first is:
>
>1. Wm.
>2. Henry I
>3. Princess Elizabeth & Fergus, Lord of Galloway
(Elizabeth was a bastard, and thus wasn't a Princess)
>4. Uchtred, Lord of Galloway & Guinnild of Dunbar
>5. Roland of Galloway and Elena/Helena de Morville
>6. Alan de Galloway & Helen de L'Isle
>7. Helen/Elena of Galloway & Roger De Quincy, Earl of Winchester
>8. Elizabeth/Isabel De Quincy & Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan
>9. Elizabeth Comyn & Gilbert De Umfreville, Earl of Angus
>10. Robert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus, & Alianore -
>11.Thomas De Umfreville & Joan De Roddam
>12. Thomas De Umfreville & Agnes -
>13. Elizabeth De Umfreville & William Elmedon
>14. Joan de Elmedon & Thomas Foster
>15. Thomas Foster & Elizabeth Featherstonhaugh
(15 is actually two generations)
15a. Thomas F m. Elizabeth de Etherstone
15b. Thomas F m. -- Featherstonehaugh
(See Gary Boyd Roberts, *Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants* [Baltimore:
Genealogical, 1993), p. 385).
>16. Roger Foster & Joan Hussey
>17. Thomas Foster & Margaret Browning
>18. Thomas Foster & Susan Forster
>19. Christopher Foster & Frances Stevens
>
>(Sorry for not capitalizing the surnames...points me up as an amateur)
>
>The second line is:
>
>1. Wm
------ cut here -------------------------
>2. Princess Gundred & William De Warren
>3. William De Warren, Earl of Surrey & Isabel De Vermandois
>4. Ada De Warenne & Henry, Prince of Scotland, Earl of Huntingdon
--- (no real evidence of who Gilchrist married) -----------
>5. Marjory, Princess of Scotland & Gilchrist, Earl of Angus
>6. Duncan, Earl of Angus
>7. Malcolm, Earl of Angus, Earl of Caithness & Mary (Maud) de Berkeley
>8. Maud, Countess of Angus & Gilbert de Umfreville, Baron Prudhoe
>9. Gilbert De Umfreville, Earl of Angus & Elizabeth Comyn
>(continue from #10 above)
>
>please e-mail any replies to this board or direct to
>
>Many, many thanks.
See C. T. Clay, *Early Yorkshire Charters*, vol VIII, appendix A (pp.
40-46) for the proof that Gundred, wife of William de Warenne, was not
a child of William the Conqueror, or of his wife. She was, instead, a
sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester, and possibly a daughter
of Gerbod, hereditary advocate of the abbey of St. Bertin at St. Omer.
This was published more than seventy years ago, but apparently not
everybody has kept up. See the second edition of Cokayne's *Complete
Peerage*, vol. XII, part 1, p. 494, note (j).
William Addams Reitwiesner
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