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From: "Douglas Richardson" < >
Subject: Re: Identity of Gunnor de Gant, wife of Ralph de Secheville
Date: 13 Oct 2005 12:41:11 -0700
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Dear Newsgroup ~
As stated in my post earlier today, Complete Peerage 7 (1929): 675,
footnote f (sub Lincoln) indicates that Sir Gilbert de Gant (died 1242)
had a daughter, Gunnor, wife of Ralph de Socheville [recte Secheville].
Besides Gunnor, Sir Gilbert de Gant also had another daughter,
Juliane, who married by settlement dated before June 1210 Geoffrey de
Armenteres, son and heir of Henry de Armenteres. For a full transcript
of Juliane and Geoffrey's marriage settlement in Latin, see Hatton,
Book of Seals (1950): 205. The following synopsis is also provided:
"Charter of Gilbert de Gant giving to Geoffrey de Armenteres, in free
marriage with Juliana his daughter, the service of 2 knights by
reducing to Geoffrey and his heirs by Juliana the service due from the
fee which his father Henry de Armenteres had held of Gilbert from 10 to
8 knights; he also quitclaims to Geoffrey the relief due by reason of
his father's death. (before June 1210)" END OF QUOTE.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
Douglas Richardson wrote:
< Dear Newsgroup ~
<
< I've noticed various online databases state that Gunnor d'Aubeney,
< widow of Robert de Gant (died 1191), married (2nd) Nicholas de
< Stuteville, of Liddell, Cumberland (died 1218) and (3rd) Ralph de
< Secheville.
<
< Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 674, footnote b (sub Lincoln) confirms
the
< 2nd marriage of Gunnor d'Aubeney to Nicholas de Stuteville, citing as
< its source Curia Regis Rolls. i. 288, and W. Brown, Feet of Fines
< Yorks, Divers Co., no. 51.
<
< Elswhere, Complete Peerage, 7 (1929): 675, footnote f (sub Lincoln),
< states that Gunnor d'Aubeney's son, Gilbert de Gant (died 1242), had
a
< daughter, Gunnor de Gant, who married Ralph de Socheville (sic). It
< cites as its source: Vesp., E xx, f. 70; Linc. Fines, i. 300, and
ii.1.
<
< I have Lincolnshire Fines, ii.1, it being Final Concords of the
County
< of Lincoln, 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 17) (1921), edited by C.W. Foster.
< The item is actually on pages 1-2, not just page 1. It is a final
< concord dated 6 July 1245, between Gunnora de Sechevill and Gilbert
de
< Gaunt regarding lands in Barthon, Ferriby, Thorp', and Brandon. This
< document makes reference to an earlier agreement made by Gunnora's
< former husband, Ralph de Sechevill, and Gilbert de Gaunt, father of
the
< said Gilbert. In a footnote, the editor indicates that the earlier
< agreement is dated 3 February 1238-9, and is published in
Lincolnshire
< Fines, i. 300-301.
<
< There is nothing in the 1245 agreement to indicate the identity of
< Gunnora de Sechevill. However, the helpful online A2A Catalogue
< provides an abstract of a charter issued by her in which she is
styled
< "Gunnora de Gaunt, widow of Ralph de Sechevile":
<
< Source: A2A Catalogue
< Nottinghamshire Archives: Savile of Rufford: Deeds and Estate Papers,
< Reference: DD/SR/102/88
<
< Grant by Gunnora de Gaunt, widow of Ralph de Sechevile, to the monks
of
< Rufford' of her lands etc. in Bartona. Date: c 1250 - 1260.
<
< Due to chronology, I suspect Complete Peerage is correct in
identifying
< the Gunnor de Gant who married Ralph de Secheville as the
granddaughter
< of the earlier Gunnor d'Aubeney who married Robert de Gant and
Nicholas
< de Stuteville. The correct name of the younger Gunnor's husband,
< however, was Ralph de Secheville, not Socheville as stated in
Complete
< Peerage. As stated above, Ralph de Secheville was living 3 February
< 1238/9, but dead before 6 July 1245.
<
< If anyone has further information on any these people, I'd appreciate
< if they would post it here on the newsgroup.
<
< Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
<
< Website: www.royalancestry.net
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