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From: Richard Borthwick< >
Subject: Re: William de Burgo
Date: 6 Nov 1998 00:22:50 -0800
At 01:06 AM 6/11/98 GMT, you wrote:
>>From: "Robert G. Koch" < >
>
>>During my research of the maternal side of my family -- Philbin, I came
>>across the name William de Burgo as a very distant relative. He apparently
>>was a descendent of William the Conqueror. I believe "Burgo" eventually
>>evolved into "Burke" and the Philbins,,,,,
>
>The de Burgo family is pretty well known - I will try to remember (should look
>at ref etc) buu here's a quick answer-
>
>The first ones include a de Burgo who was one of Wm the Conqueror's 'generals'
>c1050's and was on the Norman Exqueror Council. I don't beleive that he was
>kin to Wm the C. - at least not then but could be in the family before or
>after. Later there was Richard FitzEustace de Burgo, Lord of Alnwick castle and
>in the Battle of the Standards. Hubert de Burg, the last great Justiciar of
>England, was his grandson or so. Hubert was the protege of the famous Wm
>Marshall - both at Runneymead 1215. Finally there is the Burgo/Burg who was
>the famous Red Earl of Ulster (also another the Black Earl of Ulster). And yes
>the Burgo/Burg's became Burke.
>
>I should look up more but that will get you started - they were a rich &
>powerful Norman family
>
>StNeel
>
(1) The family of Richard fitz Eustace has no known connection with Hubert
de Burgh the justiciar and his clan. The two families do have a topographic
connection, namely Norfolk. "The traditional account that the Honour of
Knaresborough descended to Eustace fitz John (d.1157) as nephew and next
heir of Serlo de Burg was shown to be a fallacy by Thomas Stapleton in
1839;..." [CP XII/2: App.B, pp.7-8]. Knaresborough was farmed in 1130 by
Eustace fitz John lord of Malton, Yorks NR. [Sanders, I J *English Baronies:
a study of their origin and descent 1086-1327* (Clarendon Press: Oxford,
1963 [1960]), 59]
(2) Richard fitz Eustace (d.<1157) was not lord of Alnwick, Northumberland,
but his half-brother William fitz Eustace was. Richard's grandson Robert
fitz Roger (d.1214) was granted the barony of Whalton in Northumberland in
1205 and succeeded to his father's lordship of Warkworth (i.e. the lordship
granted by Henry II in 1157 to Roger fitz Richard (d.<1199). Richard fitz
Eustace's agnatic ancestors were: Eustace (d.1157) <- John (d.>1100) <-
Richard (d.<1061) <- Ranulf "the Moneyer". [Sanders, I J *English Baronies:
a study of their origin and descent 1086-1327* (Clarendon Press: Oxford,
1963 [1960]), 105, 150; CP XII/2: Appendix B]
(3) The parents of Hubert de Burgh (d.1243) were Alice & her husband whose
christian name was probably Walter. This Walter (d.1179/80) held Burgh near
Aylsham, Norfolk. Hubert had a brother, William (d.1205) from whom the earls
of Ulster as well as the Burkes of Limerick, Tipperary, Clanricarde and Mayo
descend. It would seem that the family can be traced back no further than
Hubert's mother and probable father. "The false trail laid by Dugdale in the
seventeenth century was still being faithfully followed in the nineteenth."
[Ellis, 183]. The DNB article on Hubert is a notorious example. The family
were modest Norfolk gentry - nothing very grand. [Ellis, C. *Hubert de
Burgh: A Study in Constancy* (Phoenix House: London, 1952), 183-202]
(4) The material in Burke's *A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant,
Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire*, 88-89 on the origins
of the Burghs has no foundation.
Richard
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