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From: Stewart Baldwin < >
Subject: Re: Garnier to Maurin- Ancester of Mgvs of Spoleto ?
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:06:19 -0500
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Jim Stevens ( ) wrote:
>Per Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (269:38), Maurin, the earliest of the
>margraves of Spoleto that I have found, was a Salic Frank who held lands in
>Parma, Reggio, and Piacenza, 835-844.
>
>Per Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (191:12), the Margraves of Spoleto were
>descendants of GARNIER, the broter of ALARD. ALARD's unnamed daughter
>probably married CARLOMAN, son of CHARLES MARTEL and Mayor of the Palace.
>Approximately a century separates GARNIER and MAURIN.
>
>Can anyone post the specific line of descent from Garnier to Maurin ?
In his 4 volume history "Les origines du duche de Bourgogne" (Dijon,
1925-31), Maurice Chaume included an appendix with 13 genealogical
tables giving the relations (both conjectured and proven) of many of
the early noble familes, including the dukes of Spoleto in Table IV.
(p. 535 - I forgot to write down the volume number when I photocopied
the tables many years ago, but I believe it was vol. 4.) The chart
is given below (with accents omitted, to avoid problems for those who
can't handle them). Dotted lines indicate conjectured relationships.
The reason that Chaume conjectured Lambert I as a son of Nantier I is
presumably the fact that Lambert's son Gui was described as "unus de
stirpe Wernarhii" (the latter being a Latin form of the French name
Garnier [German Werner]. I do not see a "Maurin" on Chaume's table.
I do not know the extent to which any of the following has been
overturned by more modern research. Dates by themselves indicate
that the individual is mentioned in records of that year.
Stewart Baldwin
Saint Lievin, B. Troyes, 698, 704 Willigardis attava Willigardis
_________|_________________......... ______|_____________
| | | | | |
Rotru md. Gui, count Mille dau md. Garnier, 734 Alard
Charles 706, 722 B. Treves | founder of monast. 734
Martel d. aft. 750 | of Hornbach
________________________|__________________
| | |
Nantier I, 734 Herolin, 734 Rotharius, 734
.........|__________________
| |
Lambert I, count, ca. 750 Garnier, 767, 791, md. Engeltu
_____|_______________________________ |
| | | | |
Guerin Gui, 782, 796 Rodoldus Garnier Nantier II, 791, bef. 814
d. bef. "unus de stirpe 782 782, 807 prob. ancestor of Nantier,
796 Wernarhii" d. 814 ct. Lorraine ca. 860
| _____|____________
| | |
Lambert II Willigardis, 828 Erard?
796, 814, 819, 823 "alta Werinheri 819
d. 836 ct. Nantes prosapia orta"
_______|______________________ ___|......
| | | | | |
Gui I, duke Doue Garnier Lambert III Garnier dau md.
of Spoleto abbess count 840, d. 852 828, 865 Aubri IV
842, 858 846 d. 852 ct. Nantes, ct. Blois
md. 1. NN marquis
2. sister of md. Rotru
Siconolf |
|______________ |_____________
| | |
Lambert I Gui II ("senior"), 871 Guibert, 870, d. 882
860, 871 marquis of Camerino ct. Bolenois and
dk. Spoleto md. 1. NN, 2. Yuta, dau. Bassigny
of Evrard of Frioul md. Gautsa
______________|______________________________________
|(1) |(1) |(2) |(2)
Rohaut, 878, 895 Lambert II Gui IV, 877, d. 894 Conrad, 892
md. Aubert II, 872, 879 marquis of Camerino ct. Lecco, md.
marquis of duke of duke of Spoleto Ermengundis
Tuscany Spoleto king, emperor |
| | md. Ageltrudis |
| ____| ______| ______________|
| | | |.......... _________
| | | | | |
Aubert III Gui III Lambert III Radaldus Gui V Yuta, md.
890, d. ca. (Rabia) 891, d. 898 895, 926 895, dk. Guaimar I
915, marquis 881, dk. k. Italy ct. Lecco Spoleto prince of
of, Tuscany, Spoleto emperor | Salerno
md. Berthe, |
dau. of |
Lothaire II |
|_______________________________ |______
| | | |
Gui, 931 Lambert, 934 Ermengard Guibert
marquis of Marquis of md. Aubert, 937, d. 940
Tuscany Tuscany marquis of |
Ivrea |___________
| | |
Anchier III Atton Ermengard
935, d. 940 ct. Lecco
marquis of
Spoleto
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