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From: "Douglas Richardson " < >
Subject: Re: Faramus of Boulonge and Richard de Lucy
Date: 28 Jul 2005 22:46:16 -0700
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> Can anyone tell me when Faramus of Boulogne and Richard de Lucy first
> show up in the records.
Dear Mike ~
Thank you for your good post. Yes, I can answer that question for you.
Faramus of Boulogne first appears in the records in 1130, when he was
indebted £20 to the Exchequer "pro placitis terre sua tenet et ut
habeat terram suam quam Noverca sua tenet." [Reference: Pipe Roll of 31
Henry I, A.D. 1130].
Richard de Lucy first appears in the records in 1131, as indicated by
the following charter of King Henry I of England:
Date: Feb. 1131. Rouen.
"Notification by Henry I, 'by the grace of God King of the English
and Duke of the Normans' to the Archbishop of Rouen and all of
Normandy: That he has given to SS. Gervase and Protase of Sées, for
the use of the bishop, the fee of Laleu (Alodii) [Orne] which William
Goth held and the King bought from his niece Aveline and her son
Richard de Lucy (Luceio), and they delivered to Robert Earl of
Gloucester. Witnesses: Hugh Archbishop of Rouen, John Bishop of
Lisieux, Audoin Bishop of Évreux; Richard Bishop of Bayeux, John
Bishop of Sées; Robert de Sigillo; Nigel nephew of the Bishop of
Salisbury; Robert Earl of Gloucester, the King's son; William Earl
Warenne; Waleran Count of Meulan; Robert Earl of Leicester; Robert de
la Haie, sewer; Hugh Bigod, sewer; Rabel [de Tancarville] the
chamberlain; Brian Fitz Count, constable; Geoffrey de Clinton."
[Reference: Charles Johnson & H.A. Cronne, Regesta Regum
Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154 2 (Oxford, 1956): 247].
Richard de Lucy appears to have been the eldest son and heir of his
mother, Aveline. As we see above, his mother, Aveline, was still
living in 1131. Besides Richard de Lucy, Aveline had younger sons,
Walter and probably Robert, and a probable daughter, Margaret.
Faramus of Boulogne, on the other hand, had a step-mother ("noverca")
who presumably just died in 1130.
Given these facts, it is impossible for Richard de Lucy and Faramus of
Boulogne to have had the same mother, as Richard de Lucy's mother,
Aveline, was still living in 1131, whereas Faramus of Boulogne's
step-mother had just died in 1130. They most definitely did not have
the same father.
As for their subsequent history, Sir Richard de Lucy and Faramus of
Boulogne both lived to advanced age. Sir Richard de Lucy died in 1179,
and Faramus of Boulogne lived until 1183/4.
In summary, the two men were almost exact contemporaries to one
another, they being on the stage of history together for almost 50
years. As such, I conclude they were of the same generation and
probably of similar if not identical birthdate. They were neither
brothers or half-brothers.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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