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From: "John P. Ravilious" < >
Subject: Re: CP Addition: Eleanor de Montagu, wife of Sir John de Dinham
Date: 19 Dec 2005 11:55:54 -0800
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Sunday, 18 December, 2005
Hello All,
This is the detailed AT for Muriel Dinham, promised in my last
post in this thread. I hope this is found to be useful.
Cheers,
John
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Muriel (Dinham) Hastings: Ahnentafel (part I - A of IV)
1 Muriel Dinham.[1],[2]
died bef 1 Jul 1427.[3]
'Meryell doughter to John Denham'[HSP 16:154-156, Vis. of Yorkshire:
pedigree of Hastynges[2]]
' Muriel Dinham ', wife of Sir Edward Hastings [Genealogics I00135233
[4]]
identification as daughter of John, Lord Dinham and his first wife
Ellen
by John Ravilious ('Re: Dinham/Courtenay Correction', Society of
Medieval
Genealogy, www.rootsweb.com, 1 June 2001][5]
definitive proof of her parentage is given in the pre-nuptial
settlement, dated 20 Feb 1405-06:
" Pre-nuptial settlement dated 7 Hen IV [20 Feb 1405/06] at
'Notewill', Devon, between
Edward Lord of Hastyngges (1) and
John de Dynham, knight (2):
" Agreement between (1) and (2), that (1) shall marry Muriel (2)'s
daughter, and shall enfeoff certain persons at their choice (a lour
dieux ellection) with certain lands and tenements, to the value of
100 marks yearly, in 'which Muriel shall be jointured (iungne)
during her life, and that she shall be dowered in lands and
tenements to the yearly value of 300 marks along with that
jointure. For the marriage and jointure, (2) shall pay to (1) 400
marks (100 marks on the day of the marriage, 100 marks the
following Michaelmas, and 100 marks yearly at Michaelmas
until fully paid), provided that she is so jointured; if not, the
payments shall not be made.
Seal [fine; of (1) presumably]. [18th century?] "This
indenture is in French and contains articles of mariage
between Sr Edward Hastings and the Lady Muriell daughter
to Sr Johne Dynham."
- A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and Trerice, AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[3],[6],[7]
previous publications indicated in error that she was daughter of John,
Lord Dinham (d. 1382) and his wife Muriel de Courtenay [see Faris, p.
130][8]
Correctly reported in Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry"[7]
aft 20 Feb 1405 Muriel married Sir Edward Hastings.[3],[6],[7],[9]
2 John Dinham.[2]
Born aft 3 Jul 1359 in Devon.[10],[11],[9]
died on 25 Dec 1428, he was 69.[9]
Buried in Kingskerswell church, Devon.[12]
knight, of Hartland, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall
5th Lord Dinham
held heir to uncle Hugh Courtenay, per Inq.p.m., 12 Aug 1369[9]
a minor on 3 July 1380:
' Presentation of Thomas de Eyton, parson of the church of Great
Shelford, in the diocese of Ely, to the church of Southpole, in
the diocese of Exeter, in the king's gift by reason of the
minority of John de Dynham, son and heir of Muriel, daughter
and one of the heirs of Thomas de Courteneye, tenant in chief,
on an exchange of benefices with William de Donnebrugge. '
[Calendar of Patent Rolls, Richard II, Vol. 1 (1377-81), p.
524.[11],[10]]
' Dominum Johannem Dynham, juniorem, Militem, et Elenam ejus uxorem ',
named in a mandate of Bishop Thomas Brantyngham of Exeter dated Feb
1379/80 [Brantyngham I:418[14]]
licence dated 14 July 1382 for his wife, Lady Eleanor to celebrate the
divine
service in a chapel or oratory at Kitton [Brantyngham I:472, dated
1382[14]]
'Dominus Johannes de Dynham, Miles, et Elianora uxor sua ', had
licence
from Bishop Brantyngham to celebrate divine services in a chapel in
their
manor of Kingskerswell [ 'infra Manerium suum de Carswelle Regis '],
dated
3 Jan 1383/4 [Brantyngham I:504[14]]
entered into agreement with Edward Hastings for marriage to
his daughter Muriel Dinham: Pre-nuptial settlement dated 7 Hen IV
[20 Feb 1405/06; A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and Trerice, AR/37/24 dated 20 Feb 1406[3],
buried Kingskerswell, Devon (together with his first and second
wives)[12]
he m. 1stly Eleanor (or Elena[9] ) de Montagu[16],[4]
2nd Maud Mautravers[9],
3rdly Philippa Lovel[9]
cf. CP IV:374-7[9]
Richardson pp. 274-5[7]
bef 3 Feb 1379 when John was 19, he married Eleanor de Montagu[9].[9]
3 Eleanor de Montagu.[9]
died ca 1394.[12],[17],[16]
Buried in Kingskerswell church, Devon.[12]
1st wife[9]
' my daughter Alianore ', will of her father Sir John de Montagu, dated
20 March, 1388 [Testa. Vetusta, p. 124[17]]
'Eleanor ', daughter of John de Montagu [CP IX:88, note (f)[9]]
' Ellen|Alianore de Montagu ', wife of Sir John de
Dinham [Genealogics # I00387511[4]]
CP IV:375-6 (and notes (g) on p. 375, (a) on p. 376), re: her husband
John :
" He m., 1stly, before 3 Feb. 1379/80 [g], Ellen. She was
living 22 Sep. 1387 [a].
"(g) "Johannes Dynham junior miles et Elena uxor ejus" occur
on and between these dates. (Exeter Reg., Brantyngham,
pp. 418, 472, 481, 623, 646).
"(a) See note "g" on preceding page. "[9]
cf. Brantyngham I:418, dated Feb 1379/80[14]]
Brantyngham I:481, dated 1382[14]]
she evidently delivered a child in 1391/2:
the Account Roll of John Whitebal , beadle of Hartland, Devon dated
13-14 Ric II includes expenses for 'a horse for an 'obstetrix' for
the
lady' [A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/2/1 - AR/2/731], AR/2/539/4[3] ]
she d. 1393/4 as noted by Dr. Hannes Kleineke[12]:
the Account Roll of Richard Sampson, beadle of Hartland, Devon dated
17-18 Ric II includes expenses for ' purchase of victuals for the
lady's burial ', and ' costs of various transports for the lady's
burial ' [A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and
Trerice
[AR/2/1 - AR/2/731], AR/2/539/5[3] ]
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the parentage of Ellen/Elena, wife of John de Dinham, was identified by
John P. Ravilious [18]
Additional evidence of her parentage was noted on the tomb of Lady
Eleanor
Dinham in Kingskerswell, Devon [J. Ravilious, The Lady and The Crown,
3 Sept 2005[19]]
cf. CP IV:375-6, sub Dinham[9]
CP IX:88, note (f), sub Montagu[9]
4 John de Dinham.
died in murdered (robbery) on 7 Jan 1382, he was 62.[20],[9]
Born on 3 May 1319.[9],[3]
knight, of Hartland, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham,
Cornwall
4th Lord Dinham
born 3 May 1319; had recognition of his right to seisin by his mother
when
of age, 3 May 1340 [ A2A, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and
Trerice [AR/17 - AR/50] , AR/37/11[3] ]
had livery of his father's lands followng the King taking his homage,
12 May 1340
he was possibly knighted at that time, but definitely before 29 March
1343.
He had livery of the manor of Bodardel, Cornwall under Agreement for
adjustment of dower with his mother Lady Margaret, 29 Mar 1343
[Saturday
after Annunciation, 23 Edw III ] - A2A, Cornwall Record
Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/1 - AR/1/527] ,
AR/1/397[3]
' Sir John de Dynham ', witness to quitclaim of his cousin Oliver de
Dynham
of lands of Whyteleigh in Hartland manor, 7 Feb. 1346 [ A2A, Cornwall
Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 -
AR/1/1121],
AR/1/604[3]]
record of a petition by his mother to the Pope, Jul 1346:
' Margaret, late the wife of John de Dynham, knight. For plenary
remission at the hour of death to herself and her legitimate sons,
John de Dynham, knight, and Oliver de Dynham. Granted.
[ Avignon, Kal. Aug. ] ' [Papal Petition I:114[21], cites f. 117]
' John Dy[n]ham ', witness to grant by his (future) father-in-law '
Thomas
de Cortenay the Elder, knight ' to Roger Torel, dated Carswill Regis
[Kingskerswell], 7 June 1355 [ Harvard English Deeds Coll. , Deed
174 - HOLLIS number: - AOA6353[23] ]
had livery of the manors of Buckland Denham and Harpford which his
mother
had held in dower, 22 Apr 1362[9]
he m. Muriel de Courtenay
cf. CP IV:373-4[9]
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previously believed to have married 2ndly Alice[24], but this is
evidently in error.
bef 27 Mar 1357 when John was 37, he married Muriel de
Courtenay.[3],[25]
5 Muriel de Courtenay.
died bef 12 Aug 1369, she was 26.[20]
Born bef 27 Mar 1343.[4]
Buried in Hartland Abbey, Devon.[9],[26]
coheiress (in her issue) of her brother Hugh de Courtenay[9]
' The date of the marriage of Sir John de Dinham (d. 7 Jan 1382/83)
and
Muriel de Courtenay is unknown, and was previously defined only by the
approximation of the birth of their son John, evidently born before 12
August 1359 as he was 'aged 10 and more' at the time of the IPM of his
uncle Hugh de Courtenay (12 Aug 1369) [1 - citation from CP provided
by
Chris Phillips].
' The record of a gift of certain manors in Devon and Cornwall has
been
found on the PRO site, which evidences that John de Dinham and Muriel
de
Courtenay were married no later than 27 March 1357.'[25]
Gift, dated Monday after Annunciation, 31 Edw III (27 March 1357),
at Ilstyngton; by
" William de Wynkaulton, chaplain, Nicholas de la Pomeray, and
Thomas de Stafforde = (1)-(3) [to]
Sir John de Dyneham, knight, and Muriel his wife = (4)-(5)
(1)-(3) to (4)-(5), their manors of Ilstyngton, Matforde, Southdon,
Bodardel and Gorlyn, with all appurtenances; for (4)-(5) and the heirs
and assigns of (4) to hold of the chief lords of the fee, by services
due.
Warranty.
[Witnesses:] Richard de Merton, Theobald de Greyneuile, Thomas de
Raleghe,
John de Ferariis, knights, John Dabernoun, Thomas de Crauwelthorne,
John
Fraunceys, Matthew Beaumond, William Holebern. " - A2A, Cornwall
Record
Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121],
AR/1/890[3]
cf. CP IV:374[9]
6 John de Montagu.
died bef 5 Mar 1389.[9],[7]
Buried in Salisbury cathedral.[9]
Occupation: Lord Montagu.
knt., of Wark upon Tweed, Northumberland
younger son
fought at Crecy (26 Aug 1346) and the siege of Calais, 1347
fought at Poitiers, 19 Sept 1356[1] [probably in the right wing, under
command of his brother the Earl of Salisbury; Sumption, p. 235[28]]
summoned to Parliament from 15 Dec 1357 to 6 Dec 1389 by writs directed
'Johanni de Monte Acuto', whereby held to have become Lord Montagu
[CP IX:87[9]]
grant from John de Grandisson to his nephew to Sir John de Montagu,
dated 1365/6:
E 329/207
John de Grandissono, Bishop of Exeter, brother and heir of Peter de
Gradissono (sic) to John de Monte Acuto his nephew: Grant of land in
Ewyas Harold, Monnington, Stradel, Folesyate, Upton Skydemor, Norton,
Fyfield (Fifhide), Teffont (Teffonte Ewias), Rockley, Poyntington, and
Eschelleworth: Heref. 40 Edw.III [27]
will dated 20 March 1388/9 [17]
cf. CP IX:86-88[9]
bef 31 Dec 1343 John married Margaret de Monthermer.[29]
7 Margaret de Monthermer.
Born on 14 Oct 1329 in Stokenham, Devon.[1],[7]
died on 24 Mar 1394, she was 64.[9],[7]
Buried in Warblington, co. Hants. (later reinterred at Selwood
priory, aft 15 Feb 1403/4).[30]
Occupation: Baroness Monthermer.
heiress of her father[29]
her marriage and custody of her lands were granted to William
de Montagu, Earl of Salisbury, 2 July 1340 (he married her
to his younger son John de Montagu - CP IX:144[9])
she inherited the manor of Warblington, co. Hants. (dower of her
mother)
grant by ' Margaret Mountagu, lady of Stokeynhame, widow' dated at
Warblington, 3 April, 13 Richard II (1390) [27]
cf. VCH (Hampshire) III:134-136[31]
' Margaret de Monte Acuto, lady of Stokenham, now deceased ', granted a
messuage and two ferlings of land in Colrigge, part of Stokenham, to
John Irlond and his wife Margery - Pardon re: entry without licence
upon
same to Margery, late wife of John Irlond, dated at Westminster, 26
Sept 1396 [CPR Ric II VI:34[10]]
cf. CP IX:86-88 (sub Montagu)[9]
[ to be continued - see Part I -B ]
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