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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: FITZRICHARDS
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 00:08:39 GMT
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"Wanda Thacker" < > wrote in message
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> WOOPSIE I POSTED WRONG THE FIRST TIME
>
> I am researching, De Vernon, De Redvers etc and the 2 Richard
> FitzGilberts. Every time I find a new resource of information, it
> disagrees with the last one. The main question I have is whether or not
> Richard FitzGilbert was the son of Richard II's son Godfrey or his
> grandson Gilbert. The Royal and Noble database at Hull says it goes
> this way:
>
>
> RICHARD I THE FEARLESS
> GODFREY OF BRIONNE AND EU
> GILBERT CRISPIN OF BRIONNE
> RICHARD FITZGILBERT DECLARE MARRIED ROHESE GIFFORD
>
> SEVERAL OTHER SOURCES GIVE IT THIS WAY
> RICHARD I
> RICHARD II
> GODFREY
> GILBERT
> RICHARD FITZGILBERT MARRIED ROHESE

Your "several other sources" are wrong and in this instance the Hull
database is right.

Dudo tells us that Richard I fathered two sons and two daughters from
concubines after the death of his first wife, the Frankish princess Emma,
one of whom was Godfrey of Brionne. Whether or not he was actually born
after Emma's death or before is questionable (although he was certainly not
her son), but anyway he cannot have been a son of Richard II: Godfrey was
dead in or before 1015, having fathered two sons of his own ca 1000, whereas
Richard II was not born until ca 980.

Peter Stewart



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