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From: (John Ravilious)
Subject: Re: John Dinham (d. 1428) and his first wife, Elen [Montagu ?]
Date: 27 Feb 2004 02:09:50 -0800
References: <55712d2e.0402211116.5400eb2@posting.google.com>


[Original post to GEN-MED]

Thursday, 26 February, 2004


Dear Chris, Rosie, Doug, Paul, Ivor, et al.,

Two items of some note with regard to the prior post, and the
relation of the Dinham family to that of Sir Guy de Briene (de Bryan):

1. Paul Reed noted that Sir Guy de Bryan, Lord Bryan was
born ca. 1319 (aged 30 at his father's death in 1349) [1].
It is evident that the 'Sir Guy de Briene' who held the
advowson of Morleigh, Devon in 1359 was in fact Sir Guy,
Lord Bryan and not his father. Further, given that
Oliver de Dinham of Sampford Peverel, Devon (husband of
Joan de Briene/Bryan) was born in or shortly before 1325
(proving his age in 1346), his wife Joan should be
identified as a sister of Sir Guy, Lord Bryan, and not
a daughter [2].

2. Sir Guy de Bryan's 2nd wife (m. bef 10 July 1350) was
Elizabeth de Montagu, widow of Hugh le Despenser (dsp)
and sister of John de Montagu, Lord Montagu and husband
of Margaret de Monthermer. This relationship does not
prove any further relationship to the Lords Dinham, but
does illustrate that Sir Guy de Bryan had relations with
both the Montagus and the younger Dinham branch. This
may have provided another avenue of contact between
Eleanor de Montagu (niece of Sir Guy's wife Elizabeth)
and John de Dinham (d. 1428), 2nd cousin of Sir Guy's
niece Margaret (de Dinham) de Asthorpe, of Morleigh, Devon.

Cheers,

John



NOTES

[1] Paul Reed, <CP XIV: FitzPayn, Grey, Bryan [VERY LONG]>, SGM,
20 Oct 1998.

[2] Col. F. B. Prideaux, Notes and News [with regard to the
pedigree of Fishacre, Genealogists' Magazine VI:626],
The Genealogists' Magazine Vol. 7, No. 10, June 1937,
pp. 536-7:
'Sir Guy de Bryan, guardian of the heir of Oliver de Dynham.'




(John Ravilious) wrote in message news:< >...
> Saturday, 21 February, 2004
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> In pursuing additional documentation re: the Fissacre family on
> the PRO
> site, I found a great deal of material concerning the Dinham family in
> the
> "Arundell of Lanherne" files. In particular, a series of documents
> are given
> concerning John de Dinham and his steward re: expenses, travel & c.,
> as follows
> at the end of this message. Of particular interest are references to
> stops at
> Warblington, co. Hants., when en route to/from London.


<<<<<<<<<<<<<< SNIP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>
> Reference: AR/37/56/1
> Creation dates: [Late 14th century? but cf. Richard Batyn, reeve at
> Herpeford
> in 1479, AR/2/878.]
>
> Extent and Form: 8 items
>
>
> Scope and Content
> Account roll
>
> --- [personal]
>
> Expenses of John de Dynham de Hertilond going to WARBLINGTON to fetch
> his
> wife (ad quer' uxorem &c.).
>
> Tuesday at Pentecost, 40d to Richard Batyn at the lord's instruction
> at
> Hertilond; at Coryton for pepper, saffron, wine, bread, ale and for
> the horses;
> night at Criditon.
>
> Further details of the journey.
>
> Following Monday the expenses of the lord and lady 'et tota comitiva
> eorum'
> first in the morning at Hauent, later at Southwyk, and the 'mountagen'
> [?] men
> in another inn; return journey via Sarum, Shirborne, Criket (in house
> of a
> servant of John Cayl), Wellyngton (dinner, wine and mead in house of
> William
> Holewey), Baunton, Molton, Toryton.
>
> Payments also to Elena, wife of William Whith; Walter Meth and Agnes
> his
> wife; Walter Moltyn [?]; also 3s 4 1/2d for hemp (canab') for the
> lady; journey
> lasted until Saturday the 12th day.
>
> Warblington [in Hampshire


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