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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Mucking around in old Leon (sons of Vermudo II)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:07:27 -0500
wrote:
>
> Todd A. Farmerie mentions in passing, in his ahnentafel of Sancha
> Rodriguez (soc.genealogy.medieval, 21 April 1998), that Munio
> Rodriguez' first wife was "Jimena Ordoñez, grandaughter of Vermudo
> II." TAF does not name the intermediate parents, but on nomenclature
> grounds the "grand-daughter of Vermudo II" whom he does name, viz.,
> Jimena Ordoñez, should have a father named Ordoño who should be a son
> of Vermudo II.
Yes, Ordono Vermudez. (Note that this needn't have been the case, since
the descent could have been maternal.)
> There remains the question, which of Vermudo's wives
> was Ordoño's mother?
Neither. He was illegitimate, mother unknown.
> (We know that Vermudo had another grandaughter
> named Jimena, but her father's name was Diego and she married El Cid.
> Have I missed a distaff descent somewhere?)
The ancestry of Jimena was covered in my Cid AT.
An account from the 18th century claimed that Jimena, wife of El Cid,
was daughter of Jimena Alfonso, the daughter of Alfonso V.
The work of Menendez Pidal, in the middle of this century, demonstrated
that Jimena, wife of El Cid was sister of Rodrigo and Fernando Diaz, and
that these were children of "Count Diego" and "Countess Christina". In
a separate document, one of them is named as grandson of Fernando
Gundemariz. He then concluded that Jimena Diaz was daughter of Diego by
Christina Fernandez, daughter of Fernando Gundemariz by Jimena Alfonso,
daughter of Alfonso V. Menendez Pidal failed to identify the Count
Diego as any particular individual.
Recently, Salazar Acha, in his analysis of the Vela family, concluded
that Diego was none other that a count Diego Fernandez, and this
suggested that it was he, and not Christina who was the child of
Fernando Gundemariz. (Looking at Menendez Pidal, one can find no reason
he made Fernando Gundemariz the maternal grandfather, rather than the
paternal one.)
Now this Fernando Gundemariz is presumably the same one who appears in a
1040s document with his wife Muniadomna Ordonez (discussed by both Saez
Sanchez and Matosso, although the latter clearly misplaces her in the
pedigree). Taking another look at Menendez Pidal we find that he had no
more reason for making Jimena Alfonso the wife of Fernando Gundemariz
than he did for making them the parents of Christina. He appears to
have simply concluded that since she couldn't have been the mother, she
must have been the grandmother. I have found no documentation that
Fernando Gundemariz was married to anyone other than Muniadomna.
Likewise, her name suggests that Jimena Alfonso was daughter of Alfonso
V by his second wife, Urraca Garcia of Navarre, and if this is the case,
she could not possibly have been the mother of Diego Fernandez, for
chronological reasons.
Having removed Jimena Alfonso from the pedigree, we must now account for
the tradition of a relationship with the Kings of Leon. There appears
to be no possibility of a close kinship among the ancestry of Diego
Fernandez, so we must turn our attention to Christina. (What follows is
speculation, based solely on onomastics, plus this tradition.) The name
Christina is extremely rare at this time period. I have only found two
other examples - Christina Vermudez, daughter of Vermudo II, and her
granddaughter Christina Alfonso. This latter was the same age as our
Countess Christina, and her patronymic is the same as that which had
been assigned to the misnamed royal kinswoman in the original
tradition. I think there is a distinct possibility that countess
Christina, mother of Jimena Diaz, was Christina Alfonso, granddaughter
of Christina Vermudez by his first wife, Velasquita Ramirez.
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