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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Agatha of [?]
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:06:38 -0400


Maud Lacy wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to elaborate on your statements, or direct me to the
> appropriate sources?

Stephen and Gisela: 1) contemporary records make it clear that Stephen
d.s.p.s., and his immediate heirs were a nephew, son of a sister, who
inherited in spite of being a foreigner, and a brother-in-law, husband
of Stephen's sister. In other words, the chances of there having been a
daughter and son-in-law running around who never were put forward is
slim. 2) As best can be determined, Edward never set foot in Hungary
until after Stephen had died, and when he did so it was as friend of a
rival branch of the royal family. 3) the latin used to describe the
relationship to Emperor Henry is specific for "uncle on the father's
side", and this would not apply.

Bruno of Augsburg: No evidence that he was ever married, no evidence
that he ver had children, any child born before he became Bishop would
have been too old to have had son Edgar when he was born.

Bruno of Brunswick: Vajay's argument was that the "uncle Henry" source
does not specify Henry II. Henry II had no acceptable siblings anyhow
(see above). Henry III had no brother, but he did have three
half-brothers. Bruno is the only one old enough to have possibly been
father of Agatha. Henry had a daughter married to a King of Hungary,
explaining that kinship. The biggest argument against it is that while
the chronology is possible, it is very tight, bumping both Bruno and his
mother earlier that the previous concensus in order to make it possible.

Yaroslav: Jette argues (this is from memory) that 1) later, but perhaps
better informed sources make her daughter of a Russian ruler. 2) Edward
was a relative nobody at the Russian court at the time (JAE - just
another exile, along with princes of Norway and Hungary), and hardly a
prime target for an Emperor's niece. 3) Andrew, later King of Hungary,
who Edward accompanied to Hungary, was another son-in-law to Yaroslav,
explaining the reported kinship to the Hungarian royals. 4) the name of
Agatha herself, of her daughter Christina, and her grandchildren David
and Alexander, would be innovations for a german family, but would be
more in keeping with the neo-eastern christian Russians.

This last is too new to have been thoroughly hashed out, and followup
discussion is still appearing in the genealogical literature.

ta

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