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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: Two Other trys: Charlemagne descent (through De Spencers and De Knightly)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 21:37:35 GMT
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"Todd A. Farmerie" < > wrote in message
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> Stefan Ramonat wrote:
<snip>
>> 1. Charlemagne + Hildegarde Von Vinzgau Of Swabia
>> 2. Louis I + Ermengarde Of Hesbaye
>> 3. Robert "The Strong" + Adelaide 4. Robert I Of France + Beatrix De
>> Vermandois
>> 5. Hughes "The Great" Of France + Hawise Of Germany
>
> You have it entered wrong in generation 3, where Robert the Strong is
> supposed to have married the daughter of Louis I. That being said, this
> attributed marriage is faulty anyhow - Robert's wife was not Louis's
> daughter. Howver, Beatrix (if that was her name) de Vermandois, second
> wife of Robert I was a descendant of Charlemagne, being daughter of
> Heribert of Vermandois, son of Pepin, son of Bernard, son of Pepin, son of
> Charlemagne (the line in your last posting prior to Berenger AKA Pepin).
This should be treated as probable - I think highly questionable - and not
as certain. The evidence that Robert married twice is not absolutely clear,
and depends on interpretaion: the assumption of an unknown first wife is
necessary to allow for the proven marriage of his daughter to Count Heribert
II of Vermandois IF his supposedly second wife Beatrix, the mother of his
son Hugo Magnus, was sister to the latter as given only incidentally in a
much later & not especially well-informed source.
Karl Ferdinand Werner patched together a version of Robert's marriages that
has stuck for the past 40 years, hinging on his tendentious interpretation
of a charter in which Hugo named his parents, and that I think this needs
revision. Without going into detail here & now (I hope to publish an article
about it before long), I think it can be equally well maintained that
Robert's first wife was Beatrix, of unknown family, mother of all his
recorded children, and that his second wife was a lady named Adela who _may_
have been a Carolingian princess of the house of Vermandois.
Peter Stewart
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