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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: Robert II of France to Maud de Bernake (was CP Addition:..)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:43:13 GMT
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> 1 Robert II of France
> ----------------------------------------
> Birth: 27 Mar 0972
King Robert II's birthdate is not known - his earliest biographer, the monk
Helgaud of Fleury, believed the king to be sixty years old at his death on
20 July 1031, suggesting that he was born within the twelve months leading
up to 20 July 971. This is the most direct evidence from a well-placed
source, but may have been an educated guess, perhaps one shared by the king
with his entourage - if so, it was probably accurate enough, since Robert's
mother lived until he was an adult & ought to have been able to recall when
he was born.
However, the exact meaning of 'sexagenarius' in this context has been
interpreted differently: Ferdinand Lot opted for 972 as the year of Robert's
birth, determining this from a concordance between his understanding of
Helgaud (as meaning the king was still in his sixtieth year at the time of
death, aged fifty-nine rather than literally sixty) and a plausible
chronology of several subsequent events. However, Andrew Lewis thought that
even this approximate reading of 'sexagenarius' was somehow too literal.
Richer stated that Robert was in his nineteenth year at the time of his
first divorce, but exactly when this took place depends on an uncertain
order in the narrative and an alleged synchronicity with matters recounted
in the previous chapter of Richar's history, occurring in the spring and
early summer of 992. If Robert was then still aged 18, he would have been
born after mid-973 but before the end of June 974, and therefore only
fifty-seven or just turned fifty-eight rather than properly a sexagenarian
when he died.
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> Children: Henry I, King of France (-1060)
> Adela (-1079), m. Baldwin V of Flanders
> Robert I, Duke of Burgundy (1011-1075)
> Hedwig (Hawise) (->1063)
> Constance, m. Manasses de Ramerupt, count of Dammartin
The connection of Countess Constance of Dammartin to the royal family is
purely speculative, and quite unconvincing to me. I'm sure this has been
discussed before & will turn up in the SGM archive.
>
> 1.1 Hedwig (Hawise) of France
> ----------------------------------------
> Death: aft 5 Jun 1063[4]
>
> "S. Rainaldi, comitis et uxoris ejus Advise" (trans: The mark of
> Count Raynald and of his wife Advisa). [Peter Stewart,
> cites _Recueil des chartes de l'abbaye de Cluny_[5]]
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> 5. Peter Stewart, "Adle, dau. of Robert II," 25 June 2003,
> , cites no. 92, diploma of Robert's
> son King Henry I, in _Diplomata belgica ante annum millesimum
> centesimum scripta_, edited by Maurits Gysseling & Anton Koch,
> 2 vols, Bouwstoffen en Studin voor de Geschiedenis en de
> Lexicografie van het Nederlands 1.
Has your note [5] been mislabelled through telescoping the family of Robert
II? The reference in your post is to Advisa, while the citation relates to
Adela.
Peter Stewart
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