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Subject: Re: Keats-Rohan & the Gant family
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:01:41 EDT


Monday, 10 October, 2005


Dear James, et al.,

Whatever the origins of William fitz Walter, he was evidently not
of the family of le Fleming of Wath, Yorkshire.

Following is what I've compiled to date on that family, down to
Mary le Fleming, wife of John Stansfield of Stansfield. Through this
marriage, we find a descent to Savile of New Hall, and a myriad of
descents royal (to Prince William) and non-royal.

Hope this is of interest. If you have any relevant Fleming (not
flaming) comments, corrections or additional documentation I'd be glad
to hear of them.

Cheers,

John



1 Reiner le Fleming
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Death: bef 1148[1]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

' Rainer Flandrensis ', steward of the honour of Skipton
enfeoffed in the barony of Copeland by William le Meschin
(DD 979, cites Clay, EYC VII, nos 4, 6, 57; XI, no. 182)[1]

witness to a charter of William le Meschin founding the priory
of St. Bees, c. 1125, and two charters of Cecily de Rumilly
to Embsay priory, 1136-40 [Clay p. 33[2]], incl.

' Regner, steward ', witness to a Notification of grant dated
1131-1140:
1. Cecily de Rumel'
2. T[hurstan] Archbishop of York
Notification to Thurstan by Cecily of her confirmation of the grant
by which Helt' Mallevrer [Mauleverer] gave to the church of St
Cuthbert of 'ambesi' [Embsay] one and a half carucates of land at
Malham in pure and perpetual alms
Witnesses: Reginald, chaplain, writer of this deed; Regner,
steward; Ivo, constable; William Whithond; Walter Picot; Roger
Faffint' Tongue. ' No seal. [Thurstan was archbishop between 1119
and 1140] [Former ref: Monastic Houses. Box 65/1] [Publication Note:
Trans Bodl., MS. Dodsworth 144, ff 13, 61, from the Bolton Cartulary
ff 25, 115; Early Yorkshire Charters volume 7 no 6 ] - A2A, Yorkshire
Archaeological Society: H L Bradfer-Lawrence Collection
[SMD0335/5 - SMD0335/16], SMD0335/7/1[3]

Children: William (-<1166)
Walter


1.1 William le Fleming
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Death: bef 1166[1]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

' Willelm Flandrensis ', succeeded his father ca. 1140; succeeded by
his son Reiner before 1166 (DD 980)[1]

his son, the founder of Kirklees priory, issued his charter as
'Reinerus Flandrensis, filius Willielmi Flandrensis'
[Mon.Angl. V:739, Num. I[4]]

Children: Reiner 'II'
William


1.1.1 Reiner 'II' le Fleming
----------------------------------------

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

held 1 1/2 knights' fees ' of the new feoffment of the honour of
Skipton, including land in Wath-upon-Dearne and elsewhere '
[Clay p. 33[2]]

'Rainer II Flandrensis', held 1/3 of a fee de novo (of the new
feoffment) of William de Percy, 1166 [Clay p. 33, states this was
in Rathmell, par. Giggleswick, of William de Percy[2]]

'Reinerus Flandrensis, filius Willielmi Flandrensis', founder of
Kirklees priory [Mon.Angl. V:739, Num. I[4]]

founder of Kirklees priory (DD 979-980, cites Red Book of the
Exchequer, pp. 424-26, 430-32; also Clay, EYC vol. XI, no. 182)[1]
_____________________________

his grant to Kirklees confirmed by William de Warenne, Earl of
Surrey (before c. 1240):
charter dated c1216 - c1272 [in error] :
Confirmation by William, Earl Warren (ob. 1240), of the grant by
Reinerus Flandrensis, son of William Flandrensis, to Kirklees
Nunnery, of lands, etc. Witnesses, Osbert Giffard, Auker de
Freschenvill, Willam de Albo Monasterio, Richard de Mednar, Baldwin
de Hersin, Thomas de Horbir, Seneschal of Earl Warrenne, William de
Livet, Jordan de Heton, John de Pleiz, clerk. ' [A2A, West Yorkshire
Archive Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family of
Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], KM/8[3]]

confirmation also by King Henry III, 18 Sept 1236 grant dated
c1327-c1352:
' Confirmation by Henry III. to Kirklees Nunnery of grants from Reyner
son of William Flandrensis, of the site of the house, Adam fil Peter
for repairs and firing, Robert son of Gilbert de Barkeston, Henry
Teutonicus, John fil Aumund, Agnes de Flammeuill, Reimund de Medelay.
Witnesses, W(illiam) elect 'Valent' (Bp. of Valence?), Peter de Malo
lacu (Manley), Hugh de Vinon, Godfrey de Craucumb, John fil. Philip,
Geoffrey dispenser, Henry de Capella. Dated at York by the hand of
Ralph (de Nevill), Bishop of Chichester Chancellor.' - A2A, West
Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family
of Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], KM/29[3]

Children: William (-<1234)
John (-<1251)


1.1.1.1 William le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 1234, d.s.p.[1]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

succeeded his father 'before Michaelmas 1205' (DD p. 980)[1]


1.1.1.2 John le Fleming
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Death: bef 1251[5]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

succeeded his brother William before 1234 (DD p. 980, cites Clay,
EYC, XI, no. 182)[1]

' Sir John Flandrensis ', witness to lease dated 2 Feb 1240:
' Lease from the Priory of Kirklees to Sir John de Hetona, of a moiety
of their mill in Heton in Hednesley, for ten years from the Feast of
the Purification B.V.M. (2nd Feb.), 1240-1, at a rental of ten marks
with proviso as to right of way and the right of the convent to grind
at the said mill if they cannot grind at the mill at Cilfton, the said
Sir John to satisfy the Abbot of Fountains in a rental of three
shillings for the above term.
Witnesses, Sir John Flandrensis, Sir John de Thornhil, Sir Adam de
Mirfeld, Thomas Withand, Ralph Tagun, Richard de Camera, Henry fil
Alan, Matthew de Hopton.'
- A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale: Papers of the
Armytage family of Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], KM/30[3]

grant dated c1216 - c1272:
' Grant by John Flandr(ensis) of Clifton, to Henry fil Godwin, of
land in Clifton, viz., in Helayker and Weterode, at a rental of two
shillings. Witnesses, Sir William Delond, steward of Earl Warren, Sir
Richard de Thornhil, Sir John de Sothil, John de Het', Robert de
Schelveley, William de Birton, Nicholas of the same, Henry de Hiperun,
Michael Tellenaz, Hugh de Coppel, Adam de Wytewode. ' - A2A, West
Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family
of Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], KM/7[3]

charter dated c1216-c1245:
Grant by Sir John Flandrens(is) to Kirklees Priory, of his "nativa"
Alice daughter of William Doneiger (1), of Clifton.
Witnesses, Henry, son of Godwin de Clifton, Thomas de Grenegate,
Adam his brother John de Hatheweldun, Thomas del Clif, William Cade.'
Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, 16 ' - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive
Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family of Kirklees Hall
[KM/1 - KM/857], KM/6[3]

he d. before 1251: his son,
" Reynerum le Flemeng' ", defendant together with Ralph de Horbury in
a suit of the prior of Pontefract, 1250 [C.R. 34 Hen. III, p. 243,
no. 1505[5]]

Children: Reiner
William (-1307)


1.1.1.2.1 Reiner le Fleming
----------------------------------------

of Wath upon Dearne, co. Yorks.

" Reynerum le Flemeng' ", defendant together with Ralph de Horbury in
a suit of the prior of Pontefract, 1250 [C.R. 34 Hen. III, p. 243,
no. 1505[5]]


1.1.1.2.2 William le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Death: 6 May 1307[6]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

' William Flemeng ', held the manor of Wath of the King in chief
' as of the honour of the castle of Skipton in Cravene one knight's
fee', also 'the manor of Clyfton of the Earl of Warrenne by fealty
and suit at the Earl of Warrenne's court at Wakefeud every three
weeks, and by a rent of 20s.' [IPM of William le Fleming, Yorks.
Inqs. IV:138-140[6]]

'Willelmus [le] Flemyng', fined 6d. for 1/4 part of the manor of
Hoyland in the parish of Wath upon Dearne of the honor of Skipton,
ca. 1281:
" HOLAN(D) ANSTIN. Medietas ejusdem villae, quae tenetur de Roberto
Tebethorp, xijd. pro eodem fine, et viijd. de auxilio vicecomitis.
Willelmus [le] Flemyng pro iiij parte ejusdem villae, quam tenet de
feodo de Skypton, vjd. pro eodem fine. [Kirkby's Inquest,
p. 8 - "Hoyland, in the parish of Wath upon Dearne (S. Yorks., ii.,
100)."][7]

' William de fleming ', witness (together with Sir William
FitzWilliam FitzThomas, Sir Hugh de Eland, Sir John de Sotehill and
others) to grant by Thomas de Horbyri, brother and heir of John of
Horbyri to Sir Nicholas de Wortelay of the manor of Shetelingthon
[Shitlington], ca. 1300 [A2A, Sheffield Archives: Wharncliffe
Muniments [Wh M/D/01 - Wh M/P/13], Wh M/D/627[3]

'William le Flemyng', holding Wath upon Dearne in 1302-3.
(FA, vi, pp. 130, 198).[8]

IPM of William le Flemeng' or Fleming', at Preston in Craven
(10 June 1307) and at Wath (4 June 1307) [Yorks. Inqs. IV:138-140[6]]

Children: Reiner (<1267-<1314)


1.1.1.2.2.1 Reiner le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 4 Jun 1267[6]
Death: bef 28 Jul 1314[9]

of Wath on Dearn, co. Yorks.

succeeded his father before September 1312:
' Reyner le Flemyng ' , had charters for a market and fair at
Wathe-upon-Dearne granted 7 Sept 1312, by King Edward II (CChR,
1300-26, p. 195), 'To be held at the manor.'(CChR, 1300-26, p. 195)[8]

Spouse: Eglantine de Horbury
Father: Sir Ralph de Horbury (->1251)

Children: Sir John (-<1324)


1.1.1.2.2.1.1 Sir John le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Death: bef 26 May 1324[9]

of Dalton, Rathmill, Wath on Dearn, Clifton, Dewsbury and
Brampton-next-Wold, co. Yorks.

held l knight's fee at Wath, late of Robert de Clifford, 28 Jul
1314; and 1/12 fee at Routhmell, co. York, late of Henry de Percy,
10 Oct 1314 (Inq.p.m.)[9]

summoned as a knight of Yorkshire to the Great Council at
Westminster, 9 May 1324[9]

grant dated c1327-c1352:
' Grant by John le Fleming miles to Thomas de Quitwoed, of lands
which Roger de Perci held in Clifton, paying annually to Earl Warren
three shillings for all services and customs.
Witnesses, Dom. John de Eland, Thomas de Thornill. John de
Pontef(ract), Thomas de Totehill, John del Clye Richard de Scae, and
many others.' - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale:
Papers of the Armytage family of Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857],KM/24[3]

Spouse: Joan de Fauconberge
Father: Sir Walter de Fauconberge (-1304)
Mother: Agnes de Brus (-<1280)

Children: Thomas (->1343)


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1 Thomas le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 9 Mar 1343[3]

of Wath on Dearn and Clifton, co. Yorks.

succeeded his father, 1324[10]

release dated 9 March 1343/44 :
' Thomas Flemyngs of Clifton to John Fitzwilliam, of all burdens, dues
and services due in his 3 weekly court for the manor of Wath.
For a red rose at the Nativity of St John the Baptist (24 June).
Witnesses: Bryan de Thornhill, William de Fyncheden, Elis de Bryton,
John de Dranfeld, John de Wodehall de Wath.
At Emley, Sunday before St Gregory (12 March), 1343/4.' [A2A,
Sheffield Archives: Wentworth Woodhouse Muniments [WWM/C-WWM/E],WWM/D/32[3]

' Thomas son of Sir John Flemyng, knight ', conveyance dated 11 Nov 1349 :
' Conveyance by Thomas son of Sir John Flemyng, knight, to Roger de Clifton,
of a tenement in Clifton for ten years, at a rental of four shillings a
year. Witnesses, Thomas de Haseldene, John de Maudeslay, William de
Tarlton, John Haget. ' - A2A, West Yorkshire Archive Service, Calderdale:
Papers of the Armytage family of Kirklees Hall [KM/1 - KM/857], Deeds
relating to BRIESTFIELD - KM/62 [3]

Children: John (->1354)


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1 John le Fleming
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 13 Jan 1354[3]

of Wath on Dearn, co. York

' John Flemmyng, lord of Clifton ', demised to Wiliam de Bretton his lands
in Dalton 'from Martinmas, 1339, for a term of 20 years.... at a yearly
rent of 8 quarters of good wheat (frumenti) and 65 quarters of average
(sufficientis) oats...' [Yorks. Deeds pp. 19-20, No. 60[11]]

' Sir John Flemyng, ' witness to grant dated 13 Jan 1355:
" Grant by John son of John de Eland, knight, to John de Eland, knight, and
Alina his wife, of the manor of Bryghowse, with all appurtenances and
members, and to their heirs male.
Witnesses, Sir Brian de Thornhill, Sir John Flemyng, knights, Adam de
Hopton, Thomas Lacye, Thomas de ffenton. " - PRO, West Yorkshire Archive
Service, Calderdale: Papers of the Armytage family of Kirklees Hall
[KM/1 - KM/857], Deeds relating to CLIFTON: KM/64[3]

Spouse: Alice[12]
Marr: ca 1363[12]

Children: John


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1 John Fleming[13]
----------------------------------------

esq., of Wath, co. York [13]

John Fleming, esq. of Wathe', pedigree of Crompton-Stansfield, of
Esholt Hall [Burke's Commoners III:60[14]]

~ called Wathe in error in Burke's Commoners[14]

Children: Mary
Thomas (ca1380-)


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Mary Fleming[13]
----------------------------------------

'Mary Fleming, dau. of John Fleming, esq. of Wathe', pedigree of
Crompton-Stansfield, of Esholt Hall [Burke's Commoners III:60[14]]

~ GENEALOGICS 'unknown'

Spouse: John Stansfield[15],[13]
Birth: 1380[12]
Father: Thomas Stansfield (1350-)
Mother: Barbara Lascelles
Marr: 1410[14],[12]

Children: Anne (1425-), m. Thomas Savile of Hullenedge
GENEALOGICS #I00425532
Thomas
Henry
Isabel
Jane (-<1499)
Elizabeth
Mary


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.2 Thomas Fleming
----------------------------------------
Birth: ca 1380[12]

of Wath, co. York[12]

Reference: WYL230/17
Feoffment dated 29 Mar 1410
' From Richard de Goldesburgh, knight, to Hannlatheus Mawleverer, knight,
Robert de Rokelay, John de Hamerton, Thomas de Goldesburgh, John Drannfeld,
Roger de Preston, John Byrnnand John Mennell, William Pansay, William de
Hoperton, Henry Waryn and William de Ledes of Ripon of his manors of
Kexbrough and Skalwell (Swallow Hill?)
Witnesses: Robert de Rokelay, knight, Thomas Flemmyng, knight, John fitz
William.
Given at Kexbrough Saturday after Easter 11 Henry IV (29 March 1410)
Seal: fragments of red wax seal on tag.[3]

Spouse: Isabel

Children: John (1409-)


1.1.1.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 John Fleming
----------------------------------------
Birth: 1409[12]

of Wath, co. York

Children: Wiliam



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* John P. Ravilious



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