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From: Richard Borthwick < >
Subject: Re: BIGOD - de ALBINI BRITO - d'AUBIGNY
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:55:45 +0800


At 05:35 PM 14/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Can any one tell me if the the above families from the 1100s are connected
>and if so how?
>
>I have a Alice de TODENI = Roger BIGOD, whose child Cecily = William I de
>ALBINI BRITO.
>
>My prime question is, is the lasts son, William the II, William ALBINI BRITO
>or William deAUBIGNY?
>
>And secondly who did he marry.
>
>Any help and info most welcome
>
>Peter
>Syd AUST
>
>
FWIW this is an incomplete offering of 8 generations. The early generations
of the Toulouse and Carcassonne families is a mess - look at Stasser may
indicate why I say this (also see previous discussions on these families in
the GEN-MED archives).

N # indicates that Ns paternal affiliation is not certain but is
probable. N $ has a similar meaning for the maternal affiliation. ?
indicates that the following ascription is dubious or contentious. I
suspect I should have wielded these indicators more frequently at some
spots in this ancestor list.

1William (II) d' AUBIGNY, of Belvoir. Died 1168.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12]
He married Maud de CLARE, dau. of Robert fitz Richard, of Little Dunmow,
Essex and Matilda de ST-LIZ.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12 note 4]
2William (I) Brito d' AUBIGNY, of Belvoir. Died 1133/1155.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12; J S Moore "Prosopographical
Problems of English libri vitae" in K S B Keats-Rohan (ed) *Family Trees
and the Roots of Politics: The prosopography of Britain and France from the
tenth to the twelfth century* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1997) 175,
179; K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons
occurring in English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge,
1999) I:380]
3Cecily LE BIGOD. Died After 1164. Heir of her mother in Belvoir.
Cecily was alive when her son granted the church of Redmile, Leics to
Belvoir Priory in about 1165.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12; J S Moore "Prosopographical
Problems of English libri vitae" in K S B Keats-Rohan (ed) *Family Trees
and the Roots of Politics: The prosopography of Britain and France from the
tenth to the twelfth century* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1997) 175; K
S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in
English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999) I:380;
A Wareham "The Motives and Politics of the Bigod Family c.1066-1177" in
*Anglo-Norman Studies* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1995) XVII:230]
4Main d' AUBIGNY, L of Saint-Aubin , d'Aubigne.
[J S Moore "Prosopographical Problems of English libri vitae" in K S B
Keats-Rohan (ed) *Family Trees and the Roots of Politics: The prosopography
of Britain and France from the tenth to the twelfth century* (The Boydell
Press: Woodbridge, 1997) 179]
5Adeleisa de BOHUN.
[J S Moore "Prosopographical Problems of English libri vitae" in K S B
Keats-Rohan (ed) *Family Trees and the Roots of Politics: The prosopography
of Britain and France from the tenth to the twelfth century* (The Boydell
Press: Woodbridge, 1997) 179]
6Roger (I) LE BIGOD, of Framlingham. Died Sep 1107 in Earsham, England.
Buried in Norwich, Norfolk, England. Held Framlingham, Suffolk, at the
Domesday Survey.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12; K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday
People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in English Documents,
1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999) I:396-398; A Wareham "The
Motives and Politics of the Bigod Family c.1066-1177" in *Anglo-Norman
Studies* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1995) XVII:223-229]
7Adelisa de TOSNY. Died After 1136. Occupation Sister & coheir of William
de Tosny of Belvoir.
Keats-Rohan has argued successfully that Adelisa was the mother of all
Roger's childen. Wareham points out that Henry I's handling of the Bigod
inheritance points to the children being in minority at their father's death.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12; K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday
People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in English Documents,
1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999) I:380, 396; A Wareham "The
Motives and Politics of the Bigod Family c.1066-1177" in *Anglo-Norman
Studies* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1995) XVII:231]
10Humphrey de BOHUN, L of Bohon, Norm. & Tataford, Norf. Died 1080/1093.
[K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring
in English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999)
I:272-273]
14Robert #$ de TOSNY, of Belvoir. Died About 1093. Held Belvoir, Leics,
at the Domesday Survey.
Robert was related to the Tosnys of Flamstead but it is not known for
certain what this relationship was. It is highly likely that he was the son
of the Roger who married Stephanie of Barcelona as he had a brother and a
son both named 'Berengar'.
[I J Sanders *English Baronies: A Study of their Origin and Descent*
(Clarendon Press: Oxford, 1963 [1960]) 12; K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday
People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring in English Documents,
1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999) I:164, 380-381]
15Adelais.
[K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring
in English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999) I:380]
20Richard de MERI. Died Before 1068.
[J Le Melletier *Les Seigneurs de Bohon* (Coutances: Arnaud-Bellee,
1978) UNSIGHTED]
21Billeheude. Died Before 1068.
[J Le Melletier *Les Seigneurs de Bohon* (Coutances: Arnaud-Bellee,
1978) UNSIGHTED]
28Roger (I) # de TOSNY. Died Before 1038.
Keats-Rohan distinguishes Roger (I) and Roger (II) and infers that the
latter was the nephew of the former. The distinction is required otherwise
Roger (II) would have been a bigamist.
[K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring
in English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999)
I:380-381; T Stasser Autour de Roger le Vieux: les alliances matrimoniales
des comtes de Carcassonne in *Annales du Midi* 75 (1963):165-187]
29Estefania de BARCELONA. Died Before 1066.
The wife of Roger was Estefania/Stephanie (not Adelaide) sister of Ramon
Berenguer I and not his daughter as claimed by Keats-Rohan. The date for
Estefania's marriage is about 1018 and Keats-Rohan indicates that when the
marriage occurred her father was dead. Ramon Borrel I's died in Feb 1018
whereas his son died in 1036. Estefania married secondly Garcia V king of
Navarre in 1038. ES 56 makes Estefania a daughter of Bernad I count of Foix.
[K S B Keats-Rohan *Domesday People: A Prosopography of Persons occurring
in English Documents, 1066-1166* (The Boydell Press: Woodbridge, 1999)
I:380-381; ES II:56, 68, 69; T Stasser Autour de Roger le Vieux: les
alliances matrimoniales des comtes de Carcassonne in *Annales du Midi* 75
(1963):165-187]
56Ralph (I) de TOSNY.
[CP XII/1:754]
58 Ramon Borrel I de BARCELONA, C of Barcelona. Born
0972. Died 25 Feb 1018. He married 0990/0991.
[ES II:68, 69, III/1:145, III/3 145 NEU]
59Ermesinde de COMMINGES. Died 1 Mar 1057.
[ES II:68, III/1:145, III/3 145 NEU]
112Hugo de CALVACAMP. Born About 0890.
[CP XII/1:753]
116Borrell II de BARCELONA, C of Barcelona. Died 30 Sep 0992. He married
0968,
[ES II:68, III/4:763]
117Ledgarda de TOULOUSE. Died After 0977.
[ES II:68, III/4:763]
118Roger I de COMMINGES, C of Comminges. Died After Apr 1011. He married
Before Apr 0970.
[ES III/3 145 NEU]
119Adelais de PONS. Died After Apr 1011.
[ES III/3 145 NEU]
232Suniario I de BARCELONA, C of Barcelona. Died 15 Oct 0950. He married
0920/0925,
[ES II:68, III/4:763]
233Richilde de TOULOUSE. Died After 0954.
[ES II:68, III/4:763; T Stasser Autour de Roger le Vieux: les alliances
matrimoniales des comtes de Carcassonne in *Annales du Midi* 75
(1963):165-187]
236Arnaldo de COMMINGES, C of Comminges. Died Before 27 Nov 0957.
[ES III/3 145 NEU]
237Arsinda de ? CARCASSONNE, ? C of Carcassonne. Died After 0968.
[ES III/3 145 NEU; T Stasser Autour de Roger le Vieux: les alliances
matrimoniales des comtes de Carcassonne in *Annales du Midi* 75
(1963):165-187]

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