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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Wm. FitzOsbern/Wm. the Conqueror
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:56:49 -0500


The following is not complete, but the following caught my attention.

Gordon Fisher < > wrote:

> Descendants of WILLIAM LONGESPEE (1) Duke of Normandy - 4 Dec 1997
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> FIRST GENERATION
>
> 1. WILLIAM LONGESPEE (1) Duke of Normandy was born about 893 in Normandy.
> He ruled between 930 and 942. He died on 17 Dec 942 in France.
>
> SPROTA DE BRETAGNE (daughter of HUBERT OF SENLIS Count of Senlis and (w of
> Hubert of Senlis) ---) was born about 911. WILLIAM LONGESPEE (1) Duke of
> Normandy and SPROTA DE BRETAGNE had the following children:

I know of no contemporary source which provides the parents of Sprota.
Speculation has placed her among the family of the Counts of Senlis,
because Bernard of Senlis is called uncle of Richard I. However, a
second source says the same of William Longsword, suggesting that if
true, the link was through Poppa. (Sprota's status as mistress of
William also makes it unlikely that she came from a family of such
status.)

> +2 i. RICHARD I THE FEARLESS Duke of Normandy.
>
> WILLIAM LONGESPEE (1) Duke of Normandy and (w of Wm Longsword) --- had
> the following children:
>
> +3 i. RODOLF Count.

Rodulf was half-brother of Richard I, but not on his father's side. He
was son of Sprota by her husband, Asperlingus (or some such name).

> SECOND GENERATION
>
> 2. RICHARD I THE FEARLESS Duke of Normandy was born on 28 Aug 933 in "of"
> Normandy, France. He ruled between 942 and 996 in Normandy. He died on 20
> Nov 996.
>
> He was married to GUNNOR OF CREPON (daughter of HERBASTUS DE CREPON and (w
> of Herbastus de Crepon) ---). RICHARD I THE FEARLESS Duke of Normandy and
> GUNNOR OF CREPON had the following children:
>
> +4 i. (d of Richard I) EMMA OF NORMANDY.
> +5 ii. (d of Richard I) MATILDA.
> +6 iii. (d of Richard I) HAWISE.
> +7 iv. GODFREY OF NORMANDY Count d'Eu & Brionne.
> +8 v. RICHARD II THE GOOD 4th Duke of Normandy.
> +9 vi. ROBERT OF EVREUX Archbishop of Rouen, Count.
> +10 vii. MAUGER (1).
> +11 viii. WILLIAM OF EU Count.

I do not think that Gunnor was the mother of all of these children. She
was mother of Emma, Richard, and at least one of the other sons (I
forget which, and don't know about the daughters) but I don't think they
all were.

> THIRD GENERATION
>
> 4. (d of Richard I) EMMA OF NORMANDY died in 1052. She was born in "of"
> Normandy.
>
> She was married

> CNUT THE GREAT King (son of SWEYN "FORKBEARD" and (w of Sweyn "Forkbeard")
> ---) ruled between 1017 and 1035 in England. He was buried in 1035 in
> Winchester, England (old monastery). He died on 12 Nov 1035 in
> Shaftesbury, England. (d of Richard I) EMMA OF NORMANDY and CNUT THE GREAT
> King had the following children:
>
> 18 i. SWEYN (S OF CNUT).
> 19 ii. HARTHACNUT was buried in 1042 in Winchester, England. He died on 8
> Jun 1042 in Lamhithe, England.
> 20 iii. HAROLD I HAREFOOT King of England died in 1040 in London. He was
> buried in 1040 in Westminster, a sewer, Thames, London.
> +21 iv. GUNNHILD.

Neither Swein nor Harold were sons of Emma (and there are doubts that
Harold was even son of Cnut, but you would have to ask Cnut's other wife
- similar doubts have been raised regarding Harthecnut). I don't know
about Gunnild. Harold was older than Harthacnut.

>
> 8. RICHARD II THE GOOD 4th Duke of Normandy was born about 963 in
> Normandy, France. He ruled between 996 and 1026 in Normandy. He died on
> 28 Aug 1026 in Fecamp, S, France.
>
> He was married to ASTRID (ESTRITH) (daughter of SVEN FORKBEARD and (W OF
> SVEN FORKBEARD)) in 1017.
>
> JUDITH OF BRITTANY (daughter of Count CONAN I OF RENNES and ERMENGARDE (1)
> OF ANJOU Countess of Rennes) was born about 982 in Bretagne (Brittany),
> France. She died in 1017 in Normandy, France. RICHARD II THE GOOD 4th
> Duke of Normandy and JUDITH OF BRITTANY had the following children:
>
> 25 i. WILLIAM OF FECAMP died about 1025.
> +26 ii. The Magnificent, The Devil ROBERT I OF NORMANDY Duke.
> +27 iii. RICHARD III OF NORMANDY Duke of Normandy.
> +28 iv. ALICE (1) OF NORMANDY.
> +29 v. ELEANOR OF NORMANDY.
> +30 vi. RAINALD I Count of Burgundy.

Richard was older than Robert. Rainald was son-in-law (husband of #28),
not son of Richard II.

>
>
>
> RICHARD II THE GOOD 4th Duke of Normandy and (UNCERTAIN) had the
> following children:
>
> +31 i. MAUGER (2) Archbishop of Rouen.
> +32 ii. WILLIAM OF ARQUES.

Richard also married a Papia, and by her had children.

> 13. (d of Richard I the Fearless) ---.
>
> (d of Richard I the Fearless) --- and GULBERT Advocatus had the following
> children:

I think her name was Poppa/Papia

> FOURTH GENERATION
>
> 17. (d of Aethelred II) GODA was born before 1017. She died about 1055.
>
> DROGO/DREUX Count of the Vexin died in 1035. (d of Aethelred II) GODA and
> DROGO/DREUX Count of the Vexin had the following children:

She also married Eustace of Boulogne.

> 28. ALICE (1) OF NORMANDY.
>
> ALICE (1) OF NORMANDY and RENAUD Count of Burgundy had the following
> children:
>
> 60 i. GUY "OF BURGUNDY".
>

This couple is the same as the following one (Adeliza being a form of
Alice)

> 30. RAINALD I Count of Burgundy.
>
> RAINALD I Count of Burgundy and (w of Rainald I) ADELIZA had the
> following children:
>
> +62 i. WILLIAM I OF BURGUNDY Count.
>

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