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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: Death of Pippin the Fat
Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 06:19:25 GMT
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"Nathaniel Taylor" < > wrote in message
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> Would Pippin really have been buried as many as 30 days after his death?
> Is it possible that the Metz annal (or its source) somehow changed xvii
> kal dec into xvii kal ian, and is such a mistake common or uncommon?
> Throwing out the separate significance of the date "xvii kal. ian."
> would allow Pippin's burial to be earlier (as the Saint-Amand entry
> doesn't specify date, so it could have been at the beginning of the
> month).
Support is given for his burial having taken place in mid-December by
'Annales Tiliani', MGH SS I p. 6 (in parallel with the closely-related
'Annales Sancti Amandi' quoted earlier): "depositio Pippini in medio
Decembrio". If the necrology of Saint-Arnoul is correct about his dying on
15 November, this would make it more plausible that he was actually buried
in Metz on 16 December.
As to the place of his death, I haven't yet found any particular evidence to
deduce that this was necessarily at Jupille near Liege as almost unanimously
stated by historians. I will keep looking into this - for the time being, I
have only found that on 2 March 714 he was ill nearby at Bakel, unable to
attest his own charter and forced to leave this duty to his wife ("Actum
Bagoloso villa publice, die secundo Martii. Anno IIII. regni domini nostri
Dagoberti regis. Et quia nos propter egritudinem in ipsa carta scribere non
potuimus, Blittrudem coniugem nostram rogavimus et potestatem dedimus, ut
ipsam firmare ad nostram vicem deberet", see MGH Diplomatum imperii I no. 6
p. 96).
Perhaps he was never well enough after that to travel far. According to
Egmondanus in his supplement to 'Annales Xantenses' (MGH SSrG 12 p. 36) he
died "apud Francorum gentem", and for what little that is worth it may have
been presumed ever since to mean in his principle place of residence - he
was organising a council to reform the Church at the time, so was probably
as active as he could be at the centre of affairs.
Peter Stewart
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