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Subject: Re: Begon/Begue, Count of Paris
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 23:27:36 +0000
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On 16 Mar 1996, Todd A. Farmerie wrote:

>
> In a previous article, (David B. Boles) says:
>
> >How many Counts of Paris were named Begon/Begue? An earlier edition of Weis
> >(sorry, I'm not sure which) named a Begue who d. 816 and m. an illegitimate
> >daughter of Charlemagne. However, Weis and Sheppard (7th ed.) mention
> >a Bego who d. 861 (861=816?), and another source (Collins, Royal
> >Ancestors of Magna Charta Barons, 1959) indicates that a Begon Conrad
> >m. a daughter of Louis I, "the Pious", German Roman Emperor. Are these
> >all the same individual, with some disagreement existing as to the
> >wife, or are they different but related individuals? Any help would
> >be appreciated.
> >
>
> They are all the same. I think the 816 date is wrong (at least it seems
> early for a potential son-in-law of Louis). As to the marriages, they have
> been batting arround that one for some time now, and I have yet to see a
> conclusive discussion. As to the Conrad, I had not seen it before, and
> doubt that it is appropriate.
>
> Todd
>
>

No 816 is right, at least for this Bego. He is supposed to have married
Alpaida, seen as an illegitimate daughter of Louis the Pious (so Werner
Die Nachkommen.., Karl der Grosse, 1965) though there is some dispute
about this, not least in that chronologically it is difficult to fit
a daughter in for LP: some therefore see her as a illegitimate daughter
of Charlemagne. Check out A.Cabaniss, Son of Charlemagne, the
Astronomer's Life of Louis, which discusses this.

There is a Conrad Ct of Paris, but he is a completely different
individual. He appears as Ct of Paris in 876, but rebelled with
Gauslin of St.Denis in 879. He died in 882. He was a member of the Welf
clan: I think he was son of Rudolf, abt of St.Riquier, (d.866 uncle
of Charles the Bald), and cousin of Hugh the Abbot. Werner in his article
in "The Medieval Nobility.." (ed T.Reuter 1982) has a good footnote
which explains the various branches of the Welfs.

Sorry about the references but this is from memory

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