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From: Stewart Baldwin< >
Subject: Llywelyn AT - Part 3 of 9
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:56:54 GMT
Note: This is Part 3 of 9 parts.
Some of this may be unintelligible if you do not have all parts.
Stewart Baldwin
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Generation 9
256. Idwal Voel ab Anarawd, d. 943 [AC], king of Gwynedd. [JC.25; see
also DNB.10.412]
257. Unknown. [Note: Lewys Dwnn's visitation (LD.ii.100) gives
Idwal's wife as Mereddon ferch Cadwr, but this late source cannot be
trusted for such an early marriage.]
258-271. Unknown
272. Sitric ua mair (Old Norse Sigtryggr), king of Dublin and York,
d. 927 [AU].
273. Unknown. [Note: Sitric married a sister of thelstan of England
in 926, but it is not chronologically feasible for her to be the
mother of Amlaib Cuaran.]
274. Murchad mac Finn (of the U Felin branch of U Dnlainge), king
of Laigin, d. 972 [AU] [R.117c=LL334c (Rw.13, CGH.13); R.117d=BB.138a
(Rw.18, CGH.14); LL337f (CGH.423)]
275. Unknown.
276. Cenntig mac Lorcain (of Dl Cais), king of Thomond, d. 951 [AU]
[R.152b=LL.322f (Rw.1277-8, CGH.237); R.154a=LL.336d=Lec.225Rb
(Rw.1359, CGH.250)]
277. Be Bind ingen Aurchada (of U Briin Sela). [BS.188, 227, 314,
338]
278-279. Unknown.
280. Augaire mac Ailella (of the U Muiredaig branch of U Dnlainge),
king of Laigin, d. 917, having been killed in the Battle of Cennfuait
by Sitric ua Imair (#272) [AU] [R.117c=LL.337d=BB.138a (Rw.11,
CGH.12)]
281-391. Unknown or duplicated.
392. Hywel Dda ap Cadell, king of South Wales, d. 950 [AC]. [HG.1:
"[H]iguel map Catell"]
393. Elen ferch Llywarch, d. 929 [AC.b: "Helena obiit"] [HG.2: "Elen
merc Ioumarc" (a mistake for "Loumarc")]
394-511. Unknown.
Generation 10
512. Anarawd ap Rhodri Mawr, d. 916 [AU, AC], king of Gwynedd.
[JC.25; see also DNB.10.412]
513-543. Unknown.
544. NN mac mair (first name unknown, father of Sitric ua mair)
[Note: Sitric is called a grandson of mar (ua mair) in the Irish
annals, but no satisfactory evidence has been advanced regarding the
name of the intervening generation. The Irish annals (AU and others)
show two sons of mar, Sichfrith (d. 888), and Sitric (d. 896), both
of whom appear to have been kings of Dublin (although the annals do
not explicitly give them that title). Another Dublin king in the
annals, Barid or Barith (d. 881), is of unstated parentage in most of
the annals, but is referred to as another son of mar in CS. Of these
sons (and possible son), Sitric can almost certainly be ruled out as
the possible father of Sitric ua mair, because Vikings were very
rarely named after their fathers. However, we cannot rule out the
possibility that Sitric ua mair was the son of another, unknown, son
of mar.]
545-547. Unknown.
548. Finn mac Mel Mrda (of the U Felin branch of U Dnlainge),
rgdamna of Laigin, d. 923 [AU] [R.117c=LL334c (Rw.13, CGH.13);
R.117d=BB.138a (Rw.18, CGH.14); LL337f (CGH.423)] [Note: There is some
disagreement about the exact meaning of the term rgdamna. "Prince"
or "royal heir" are two possible translations which have been
suggested.]
549-551. Unknown.
552. Lorcan mac Lachtnai (of Dl Cais, a sept formerly known as In
Dis Tuaiscirt, the change in name perhaps occurring about this time,
as the name of "Dl Cais" is not documented before the tenth century)
[R.152b=LL.322f (Rw.1276-7, CGH.237); R.154a=LL.336d=Lec.225Rb
(Rw.1359, CGH.250)]
553. Unknown.
554. Aurchad mac Murchada (of U Briin Sela), d. 945, king of U
Briin [AI] (i.e., probably U Briin Sela), of Iarthar (West)
Connacht, [AU] [BS.188,227,314,338; BB.90b]
555. Uncertain. [Royal Irish Academy MS B.IV.2. fo. 52a has a poem
which appears to give two generations of female ancestry of Be Bind
ingen Aurchada, so more progress on this line is possible in the
future. See the discussions on this poem which have taken place in
soc.genealogy.medieval for more.]
556-559. Unknown.
560. Ailill mac Dnlaing, king of Laigin (of the U Muiredaig branch
of U Dnlainge), d. 871 [AU] [R.117c=LL.337d=BB.138a (Rw.11, CGH.12)]
561-783. Unknown or duplicated.
784. Cadell ap Rhodri, king of South Wales, d. 910 [AC] [HG.1: "Catell
map Rotri"]
785. Unknown.
786. Llywarch ap Hyfaidd, d. 904 [AC] [HG.2: "[L]oumarc map Himeyt"
(see comment under #393)]
787-1023. Unknown.
Generation 11
1024. Rhodri Mawr, king of Gwynedd, d. 878 [AC, AU]. [JC.25] [HG.1:
"Rotri map Mermin"] (also #1568)
1025. Unknown. [Note: JC.20-1 (a fourteenth century manuscript) gives
Angharad ferch Meurig as the wife of Rhodri Mawr, and is the earliest
known source to mention Angharad. Patrick Sims-Williams has argued
persuasively (in SW) that Angharad is a late invention, and I find his
arguments convincing. (The main problem is that JC, the earliest
source for this and other marriages, shows a disturbing tendancy to
have suspiciously convenient sisters marrying just the right people,
suggesting invention.) The same arguments apply to Rhodri's alleged
mother Nest of Powys (below, #2049). Since Angharad probably never
existed, the supposed line of descent from the kings of Ceredigion
which has been traced through her is probably not valid.]
1026-1087. Unknown.
1088. mar (Old Norse Ivarr), king of Dublin (& York?), d. 873 [AU]
[He was the historical prototype of the Ivar the Boneless of the
Icelandic sagas, which, however, cannot be trusted to give any
historical information about him. The only certain information about
him is given in the Irish annals during the period 856-873, and his
possible role as king of York, though reasonably likely, is disputed
by some.]
1089-1095. Unknown.
1096. Mel Mrda mac Muirecin (of the U Felin branch of U
Dnlainge), king of Airthir Liphi, d. 917 (killed in the Battle of
Cennfuait by Sitric ua Imair, #272) [AU] [R.117d=BB.138a (Rw.18,
CGH.14); LL337f (CGH.423)]
1097-1103. Unknown.
1104. Lachtnae mac Cuircc (of In Dis Tuaiscirt [Dl Cais])
[R.152b=LL.322f (Rw.1275-6, CGH.237); R.154a=LL.336d=Lec.225Rb
(Rw.1359, CGH.250)]
1105-1107. Unknown.
1108. Murchad mac Menaig (of U Briin Sela), king of Iarthar (West)
Connacht, d. 896 [AI] [BB.90b] [Note: Murchad's pedigree is not in R
or LL, the two earliest texts, but there is no good reason to doubt
the accuracy of the pedigree at least back to Cenn Felad mac Colgan,
king of Connacht in the seventh century (#70912 below). See also the
genealogical tables in IKHK, p. 299, and J. V. Kelleher, "U Maine in
the Annals and Genealogies to 1225", Celtica 9 (1971), 61-111 (Plate
IV at p. 111)]
1109-1119. Unknown.
1120. Dnlaing mac Muiredaig (of the U Muiredaig branch of U
Dnlainge), king of Laigin, d. 869 [CS] [R.117c=LL.337d=BB.138a
(Rw.11, CGH.12)]
1121-1567. Unknown or duplicated.
1568. Rhodri Mawr, king of Gwynedd (same as #1024)
1569. Unknown. [See note under #1025]
1572. Hyfaidd ap Bleiddig, king of Dyfed, d. 893 [AC] [HG.2: "Himeyt"]
1573-2047. Unknown.
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