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Subject: Re: CP Addition: Eleanor de Montagu, wife of Sir John de Dinham
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 19:29:07 EST
Sunday, 18 December, 2005
Hello All,
Part IV of IV (including notes).
Cheers,
John
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Muriel (Dinham) Hastings: Ahnentafel (part III of IV)
48 Simon de Montagu.
died on 26 Sep 1316.[9]
Occupation: Lord Montagu.
of Shipton Montague, Somerset
' Symon de Montagu ', knight, serving with the army of King Edward I in
Scotland
fought at the Battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298
: his arms are recorded as
' Quarterly first and fourth argent three fusils conjoined
gules second and third azure a griffin segreant or ' (Falkirk Roll H94[52])
' Simon Dns de Monte Acuto ', fifty-sixth of the barons who sealed the
Barons' Letter to the Pope, February 1301 (in response to the Scots letter
to Boniface VIII in 1298, defying the claimed English superiority) following
the Parliament at Lincoln, 13-20 Jan 1300/1[57]
Summoned to Parliament from 29 Dec 1299 to 16 Oct 1315 by writs directed
'Simoni de Monte Acuto,' held thereby to have become Lord Montagu[9]
ca 1270 Simon married Hawise de St. Amand[9].[9]
49 Hawise de St. Amand.[9]
1st wife[9]
re: Amauri de Saint Amand,
' In 1270, for his da. Hawise, he bought the marriage of Simon, s. and
h. of William de Montagu;....' [CP Vol. XI -Saint Amand, p. 297n][9]
NOTE: mother of William de Montagu claimed in some sources (deemed erroneous)
to be Aufrica of Man
50 Piers de Montfort.[39]
Born abt 1240.
died bef 4 Mar 1286, he was 46.[9]
of Beaudesert, co. Warwick
Fought at Evesham for Simon de Montfort, 4 Aug 1265 (taken prisoner; subseq.
restored to part of father's lands).
On pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela, 1271/72 and again 1274/75[9]
aft 1264 when Piers was 24, he married Matilda de la Mare.[70],[9]
51 Matilda de la Mare. Born aft 1251.[70]
identified by Douglas Richardson as the daughter of Sir Henry de la Mare
(not his son Matthew) by his wife Joan de Neville, dau. of John de Neville
of Hallingbury, Essex:
' "Pro Matilli filia Henrici de la Mare. - Rex Willelmo de Wenling',
escaetori suo citra Trentam, salutem. Monstravit nobis Matildis filia
Henrici de la Mare quod, cum dudum contulissemus eidem Henrico
custodiam terrarum Willelmi Ortye defuncti qui de nobis tenuit in
capite habendam sibi et assignatis suis cum feodis militum, wardis et
aliis ad dictam custodiam pertinentibus, et idem Henricus dudum ante
mortem suam custiodiam illam assignasset eidem Matildi habendam usque
ad legitimam etatem heredem ejusdem Willelmi ..."
Briefly, the above text states that the king had formerly granted the
lands of William de Lorty deceased to Henry de la Mare, which Henry
during his life had assigned to his daughter, Maud, to have until the
lawful age of the heir of the said William de Lorty. Since no husband
is mentioned for Maud in this record, I assume she was unmarried at
the date this document was recorded. Typically, a husband would be
named if one existed. We know from other records that Maud was
definitely a minor in 1260. If we assume that Maud was still an
unmarried minor in 1265, this might suggest that she was born in or
about 1252. Maud and her husband, Peter de Montfort, had their first
known child in or about 1271, so a marriage date of between 1265 and
1271 for Maud and Peter would surely be acceptable.
Although there may be another grant involved, it appears that Henry de
la Mare obtained the lands of William de Lorty deceased in 1256 on the
payment of a fee of 100 marks a year at the Exchequer. The grant does
not mention William de Lorty's lands, rather the wardship "falling in
land to that yearly value" late of Sabina de Lorty. That Henry de la
Mare, the royal justice, is the person who obtained the Lorty
properties is indicated by the fact that Henry was then stated to be
in the king's "service," and then when he was in Gascony, he "gave
commandment to the queen and R[ichard] earl of Cornwall, guardians of
the realm." Elsewhere, the king states that he is about to send Henry
on a message to the court of Rome [Reference: Calendar of Patent
Rolls, 1247-1258 (1908), pp. 463, 478]. The records show that during
his career, Henry de la Mare the justice made several trips abroad for
the king. '[70]
the manor of Ashtead, co. Surrey was her maritagium or inheritance[71]
identified previously in error as daughter of Matthew de la Mare:
Regarding Sir Peter's marriage, Complete Peerage states,
"He married circa 1260 Maud, daughter and heiress of Matthew,
son of Henry de la Mare, with whom he has Ashtead in Surrey."
[CP IX:127][9] ( see also R. Borthwick[71] and Kay Allen[72])
~ this results from evident confusion with the de la Mare family
of Bradwell, Essex. Chris Phillips advises of the following record,
' A pedigree in De Banco R. 926, m. 427, cited both for the marriage of
Peter and Matilda, and for her being the daughter of Matthew son of Henry. I
believe this equates to the modern reference CP 40/926, which remarkably
enough is a plea roll from Michaelmas 9 Henry VII [1493]. If I've got that
right it means that in this instance CP has, bizarrely, preferred the
evidence of a pedigree recorded more than two centuries after the event, to
two contemporary records placing Maud as the daughter of Henry.'[73]
52 Pierre de Grandison.
Born abt 1190.
died on 31 Aug 1263, he was 73.[9]
lord of Grandison (Suisse)
Pierre married Agnes de Neuchatel.
53 Agnes de Neuchatel.
or, Neuenberg zu Nidau[74]
54 John de Tregoz.
died on 21 Aug 1300.[9]
Occupation: Lord Tregoz.[9]
of Ewyas Harold and Eaton Tregoz, co. Hereford and Lydiard Tregoze and
Allington, Wilts.[9]
evidently received the lordship of Lambourn Hundred, co. Berks with his
wife (held by him in 1274 - Meisel, p. 96[54]
summoned to Parliament by writ from 26 Jan 1296/97, whereby held to be
Lord Tregoz; fought at Falkirk, 1298; d.s.p.m. [9]
2nd husband of Mabel FitzWarin (IPM of Mabel Tregoz, cited by Rosie Bevan)[75]
55 Mabel FitzWarin.
died bef 24 May 1297.[9],[53]
had part of the lordship of Lambourn Hundred, co. Berks as her maritagium :
‘ Fulk Fitz Warin acknowledges that he gave, conceded and
by his charter confirmed to Mabil, his daughter, for homage
and her service, his entire manor of Lambourn with all
appurtenances, to have and hold for herself and the heirs
of her body of Fulk and his heirs freely, quietly, etc.,
saving religious service, as is described in his charter.’
[Meisel, p. 96, citing records of King's Bench for 1249[54]
___________________________
concerning proof of her parentage, Douglas Richardson wrote:
' For evidence that Mabel Fitz Warin was heiress of her mother, Clarice
de Auberville, I find that Mabel and her husband, Sir John Tregoz, were
granted free warren of Iden and I[s]ham, Sussex 11 June 1271. '
[Douglas Richardson, cites Moor, Knights of Edward I 5 (H.S.P. 84) (1932)]
probably m. 1stly, William de Crevequer in 1249;
m. 2ndly John de Tregoz (say 1255-1260 ?)[76]
she held the manor of Weston, co. Beds. in dower at her death
(IPM 24 May 1297, cited by Rosie Bevan)[53]
58 Edward I 'Longshanks' of England.
Born on 17 Jun 1239 in Westminster Palace.[8]
died in Burgh-on-the-Sands, England on 7 Jul 1307, he was 68.[8]
Occupation: King of England, 1272-1307.
'Edward Long-Shanks'
King of England 1272-1307
Participant in the Crusade of 1270 [leader of the English forces[7]]
famous (or infamous) for his attempt to subjugate Scotland (popularly
called "the Hammer of the Scots")
married 1stly Eleanor of Castile,
2ndly Marguerite of France[8]
In Oct 1254 when Edward I 'Longshanks' was 15, he married Eleanor of
Castile, in Las Huelgas, Castile.[8]
59 Eleanor of Castile.
Born in 1241 in Castile.[8]
died in Harby, Lincolnshire on 28 Nov 1290, she was 49.[8]
Buried in Westminster Abbey.
inherited County of Ponthieu on her mother's death, 1279[77]
accompanied her husband in the Crusade of 1270
(her daughter Joan born at Acre, hence her name)[9]
60 Sir William de Braose.
died bef 6 Jan 1290, he was 65.[9]
Born bef 15 Jul 1224.[78]
Occupation: Lord Braose.
of Bramber, Sussex and Gower
summoned to Parliament of April - May 1290 by writ directed 'Willelmo
de Breuse' or 'Brehuse' [spelling from summons to attend King at
Shrewsbury, 28 June 1283], whereby he may be held to have become Lord
Braose or Breuse[9]
received grant of manor of Bramley, Surrey from his brother Richard, 1271
He confirmed the grants made by his father of the rents of cottages in
Tetbury to the priory at Aconbury, founded in memory of Maud de St Valery
by her daughter Margaret[79]
bef 1272 when Sir William was 47, he married Mary de Ros.[9]
61 Mary de Ros. Mary died bef 23 May 1326.[9]
3rd wife[9]
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.
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Brus of the custody of the heir of Roger de Tony, (Henry III, A.D.
1267-1272), (Richard II, A.D. 1377-1381), Vol. 1, p. 524, presentation
to the church of Southpole, 3 July 1380, (Richard II, A.D. 1391-1396),
Vol. V, p. 3, election of Sibyl de Montagu as prioress of Amesbury,
(Richard II, A.D. 1396-1399), Vol. VI, p. 34, (Henry IV, A.D. 1399-1401),
Vol. I, pp. 268-9, controversy re: Sibyl de Montagu, prioress of Amesbury,
(Henry VII, A.D. 1485 - 1494), Vol. 1, pp. 36-37, grant to Robert Skerne,
Esq., Vol. 2, p. 52 (commissions of array).
11. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: Sir John de Dinham (d. 1428)," 18
October 2004, email , cites Calendar of Patent Rolls,
Richard II, Vol. 1 (1377-81), p. 524.
12. Dr. Hannes Kleineke, "RE: the Lords Dinham and their relations," 31 March
2004, cites Cornwall Record Office AR2/539/5 ( 'refers to her funeral '),
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.
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John de Dinham," 31 March 2004, cites email from Dr. Hannes Kleineke,
Senior Research Fellow of the History of Parliament project, including
re: his transcription of Cornwall RO AR37/56/1, re: John de Dinham and
his wife Elena/Eleanor, incl. his concurrence in the identification of
Eleanor de Montagu as Ellen/Elena, wife of John de Dinham.
17. "Testamenta Vetusta," Nicholas Harris Nicolas, Esq., 2 Vols. London:
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Timothy Powys-Lybbe.
18. John P. Ravilious, "CP Addition: Eleanor (Elena) de Montagu, wife of Sir
John de Dinham," 27 March 2004, cites PRO, Cornwall Record Office:
Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/890,
AR/1/890, gift dated (Monday after Annunciation, 31 Edw III); at
Ilstyngton, Monday, 27th March 1357, further, VCH (Hampshire)
III:134-136, re: manor of Warblington, co. Hants.
19. John P. Ravilious, "The Lady and the Crown: Eleanor (de Montagu) de
Dinham," 3 September 2005, , cites evidence
from the tomb of Lady Eleanor Dinham, found in John Stabb, Some
Old Devon Churches, their rood screens, pulpits, fonts (London:
Simpkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent & Co., Ltd. [no date], pp. 133-144,
courtesy Dr. R. Peters, http://www.wissensdrang.com/stabb133.htm
as related to details in the will of Sir John de Montagu, dated 20
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Torel.
24. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: John de Dinham (d. 7 Jan 1382/83) and
his 2nd wife Alice," 24 February 2004, cites PRO, Cornwall Record Office:
Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/1 - AR/1/527], AR/1/415,
Declaration of tenure, and demand for homage and fealty.
25. John P. Ravilious, "CP 'Correction': Sir John de Dinham and Muriel de
Courtenay," 24 February 2004, cites PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell
of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/1/528 - AR/1/1121], AR/1/890, AR/1/890, gift
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.
30. Douglas Richardson, "Another C.P. Addition: Margaret de Monthermer,
wife of John de Montagu," 15 June 2005, ,
cites F.F. Kirby, ed., Wykeham's Register, 2 (1899): 555.
31. William Page, F.S.A., ed., "Victoria County History of Hampshire and the
Isle of Wight," London: Archibald Constable and Company, Ltd., 1908,
Vol. III, pp. 134-136 (Warblington).
32. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record Office,
London: for the Public Record Office, 1895, (reprinted 1971,
Kraus-Thomson,
Liechtenstein).
33. Douglas Richardson, "C.P. Addition: Parentage of Josce de Dynham,"
18 November 2004, , cites List of
Ancient Correspondence, Lists and Indexes, No. XV, reprinted 1968,
pg. 552; cf. Index to Ancient Correspondence, of the Chancery and the
Exchequer, 1 (Lists and Indexes, Supplementary Series, No. XV)
(reprinted 1969), pp. 308, 351].
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Generis Acta Publica," Editio Secunda: London: J. Tonson, 1727,
additions and corrections by Adam Clarke and Frederick Holbrooke,
Record Commissioners: London 1816-1869., URL
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courtesy The Ango-Norman On-Line Hub.
35. Dr. Hannes Kleineke, "Re: Dinham descent & dilemmas," 19 April 2004,
cites Cornwall Record Office deeds bearing seal of Lady Margaret Dinham,
incl. arms of Botreaux.
36. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: Margaret, wife of Sir John de Dinham
(d. 1332)," 1 May 2004, cite Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne
and Trerice [AR/1/1 - AR/1/527] , AR/1/397:, Agreement for adjustment of
dower between Lady Margaret 'de Dyneham' and her son John, 29 Mar 1343
[Saturday after Annunciation, 23 Edw III ], documentation provided by
Dr. Hannes Kleineke.
37. Dr. Hannes Kleineke, "RE: Dinham - Brightleigh, Devon; and the Botreaux
connection," 1 May 2004, cites Cornwall Record Office deeds bearing seal
of Lady Margaret Dinham, incl. arms of Botreaux, including CRO AR1/397
(Arundell of Lanherne collection), documented in his Ph.D. thesis, "The
Dinham Family in the Later Middle Ages' (London Univ. Ph.D., 1998),
p. 27, n. 99.
38. Robert W. Barnes, "British Roots of Maryland Families," Baltimore:
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39. "Ancestors of Edmund de Mortimer," David Utzinger ,
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Press, 1973 (reprinted 1980), Clinton, 159-160;.
41. Douglas Richardson, "Identity of Margaret, wife of Henry le Tyeys &
Thomas de Monthermer," 12 December 2004,
, cites seal in Roger Ellis,
Catalogue of Personal Seals in the Public Record Office, vol. 2 (1981),
p. 108 : "P2161 Margaret widow of Henry le Tyas (Tyays) 1323.
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Medieval Families," Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 2005.
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Dynham', p. 25 for 'John de Bella Acqua', scanned images provided by
Rosie Bevan, email: .
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Fishacre, Genealogists' Magazine, Vol. 6, p. 626')," The Genealogists'
Magazine, Vol. 7, No. 10, June, 1937, pp. 536-7, provides citation from
an Assize of Mort' Ancestor (late Edw. III) to recover possession of
the manor of Morelegh.
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.
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50. Mark Harry, "Re: CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords Botreaux," 4 May 2004,
cites Maclean (re: Trigg Manor, pp. 631 et seq.), Dugdale and other
sources, email .
51. Douglas Richardson, "Magna Carta ancestry," 14 February 2005, email
.
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having fought at the Battle of Falkirk, July 1298,
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This is an occasional roll, listing those present at the battle of
Falkirk, which was fought on 22 July 1298,, when the forces of Edward
I defeated a Scottish army under William Wallace., It is accepted that
the roll was composed shortly afterwards. The original blazon is in the
Anglo-Norman dialect, from a copy of the roll made by Robert Glover,
c1585., The source of this blazon is Gerard J Brault, Rolls of Arms of
Edward I, Society of Antiquaries, London, 1996.
53. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Clarice, wife of Sir Adam de Everingham (Clarice la
Warre ?)," Feb 19, 2003, email, (paper copy: library
of John Ravilious, cites MABEL, LATE THE WIFE OF JOHN TREGOZ - Writ 24
May, 25 Edw I, [BEDFORD] Inq Wednesday after St Barnabas, 25 Edw I, also
CIPM v.7 no.676, the IPM of William de Grandison (1335).
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Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272," Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.
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1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
56. Douglas Richardson, "Hastings-Morley," June 28, 2001,
(direct email).
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http://www.briantimms.com/baronsletter/background.htm
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the Public Record Office.
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letters patent of William de Fiennes for the marriage of his sister
Maud to Humphrey de Bohun, heir of the earl of Hereford, 1912, vol. 4
(1-14 Edward III, 1327 – 1341, p. 475, grants confirmed by the king 12
July 1340, along with a royal charter dated 13 December 4 Edward III,
at the request of Walter, abbot of Garendon. the list of grants runs
through pp. 472-481, Citations provided by Chris Phillips
( ).
61. Brian Timms, "St George's Roll," College of Arms, London, MS Vincent
164 ff 1-21b., http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/ , Dated c1285. Painted,
containing 677 shields. Source: Gerard J Brault, Rolls of Arms of
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62. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: death of Isabel (de Vere)
(de Courtenay) de Dinham," 19 April 2004, cite Cornwall Record Office:
Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice AR/17-AR/50, AR/37/6, resolution of
dispute between Sir Hugh de Courtenay (son of Isabel) and Sir Oliver de
Dinham (widower of Isabel), dated Morrow of Epiphany, 19 Edw [I] (7 Jan
1290/1).
63. Ronny Bodine, "CHAMPERNOUN OF ILFRACOMBE, DEVONSHIRE," 1 Feb, 1999,
paper copy: library of John P. Ravilious.
64. Douglas Richardson, "Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St.
John," Aug 2, 2003, , cites Foedera, 1 (1816):
793 [online at
http://and4.anglo-norman.net:8082/cgi-bin/xpr-texts2?file=foedera1.xml&loc=793
and Foedera, 1 (1816): 794, in which Edmund, Earl of Lancaster addresses
Sir John de St. John as, 'son chier cousin mon sire Johan de Seint Johan
chevaler' in 1294.
65. John P. Ravilious, "Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St. John,"
Aug 2, 2003, , notes relationship that would
exist (as 4th cousins) between Sir John and, Edmund of Lancaster if
Godeheut was a daughter of Roger de Tosny, and Constance de Beaumont.
66. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Re: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St.
John," Aug 12, 2003, , cites Boxgrove
Cartulary, p. 181 (an English version of the "History of the Foundation,
and Founders' Genealogy" ).
67. John P. Ravilious, "Identification of Maud, wife of John de Moels, Lord
Moels (d.1310)," Jan 15, 2002, , [followup
identification of William Inge by Douglas Richardson, 4 Feb 2002].
68. "Ahnentafel for Pat Patterson: Generation 32," biographical information
re: John de Kelly, http://www.patpnyc.com/ahn-23.shtml , cites Knights of
Edward I.
69. Kay Allen, AG, "Re: Identification of Maud, wife of John de Moels," Feb
4, 2002, .
70. Douglas Richardson, "Re: C.P. Addition: Joan, mother of Maud de la Mare,
wife of Peter de Montfort," 8 November 2004,
, cites evidence found for the
ancestry of Maud de la Mare, wife of Piers de Montfort of Beaudesert,
including Calendar of Close Rolls, 1264-1265 (1937), pg. 55, evidence
from A2A, Release by Hawyse de Nevile, posted 1 November 2004.
71. Richard Borthwick, "de la Mare," Feb 26, 1999,
.
72. Kay Allen, AG, "Fwd: Dakeny/De Akeny," April 21, 2002,
, citing VCH Surrey 3:248, 252.
73. Mark Harry, "Re: C.P. Addition: Joan, mother of Maud de la Mare,
wife of Peter de Montfort," 23 November 2004, cites Wrothesley,
Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls and other sources.
74. Paul Theroff, "The Counts of Neuenberg," Paul Theroff's Dynastic
Genealogy Files, worldroots.clicktron.com/brigitte/theroff/.
75. Rosie Bevan, "Re: de Weyland, an Irish Connection (?) : Chipping Sodbury,
co. Glocs.," June 2, 2002, .
76. John P. Ravilious, "CP Correction: Fulk 'III' FitzWarin and His
Descendants," May 3, 2003, , cites Close
Rolls of the Reign of Henry III (1227-1272), Vol. II p. 210, as cited
in the Gazetteer of Markets and Fairs:, and the records of King’s Bench
from 1249, as cited by Janet Meisel, Barons of the Welsh Frontier: The
Corbet, Pantulf and Fitz Warin Families, 1066-1272, p. 96.
77. John Carmi Parsons, "Alais of France," Feb 19, 1999,
.
78. Paul C. Reed, FASG, "Llywelyn's Daughter Margaret and the de Braose
Family," Oct 3, 1999, , cites CPR (Calendar
of Patent Rolls) 1216-25, p. 134 re: John de Braose being 'of age' Jan.
1218;, _Brut y Tywysogyon or The Chronicle of the Princes ..._
(Roll Series, v.17: ed. Rev. John Williams ab Ithel [London, 1860],
pp. 304-5) concerning John's marriage to Margaret ferch Llywelyn, and
[Curia Regis Rolls, 490-1; CCR 1231-4, Hen. III, 2:86 concerning his
death, additional contributions and discussion with Douglas Richardson,
Stewart Baldwin, Todd A. Farmerie, and others.
79. "The Braose Web," by Doug Thompson
http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thompson/BraoseWeb/index1.htm
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