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From: John Carmi Parsons < >
Subject: Re: Margaret Wake's first marriage?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
Margaret Wake's first husband was John Comyn, only son of the John Comyn
murdered by Robert Bruce in 1306 (the murdered John's wife was Joan de
Valence, daughter of William and hence a niece of Henry III of England).
Margaret's husband John fell at Bannockburn in 1314 leaving by her one son,
Aymer, who survived his father but died an infant before 15 Nov. 1316.
(Balfour, *Scots Peerage* and CP).
Margaret then married (papal disp. 6 Oct. 1325, and m. about Christmastide
1325), Edmund earl of Kent (1301-30), younger son of King Edward I by his
second wife Margaret of France. Their three children were:
Edward, second earl of Kent, b. ca 1326, survived his father but died
shortly before 5 Oct. 1331.
Joan, b. 29 Sept. 1328, d. 8 Aug. 1385. The tangled story of her marital
misadventures is well known; best known as the wife of her third husband,
Edward "the Black Prince," and mother of King Richard II.
John, third earl of Kent, b. 7 Apr. 1330, d. 26/27 Dec. 1352. He had m.
in 1348 Elizabeth, daughter of William duke of Juelich in the Low Countries
(maternally a niece of Edward III's wife Queen Philippa), but left no
issue. (CP)
The chronology of Margaret Wake's marriages and childbearing raises questions
about the date of her birth. There is no avoiding the conclusion that she must
have been older than her second husband, but it's not clear by just how many
years. The Inqs Post Mortem taken at the death of her last brother (when she
succeeded to the Wake inheritance) would suggest a birth date ca 1299. It
would by no means be impossible that she, born in that year, could have
produced a child by 1314. But we have to keep in mind that juries at Inqs
p.m. were often bothered only to establish that the individual concerned was of
full age, and if that person were obviously so (as Margaret was when the Wake
inheritance devolved upon her) the jurors gave responses meant only to confirm
what everyone already knew. In this case, we know that Margaret's parents had
at least 2 children living as early as 1290, though the two sons who succeeded
in turn to the Wake estates were not born until later in that decade. As none
of the 3 Wake children who survived to maturity can be associated with the
unnamed children mentioned in royal accounts in 1290, I surmise that Margaret
was most likely born sometime between 1295 and 1300.
John Parsons
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 Michelle.Murphy% wrote:
> A table posted by Ed Mann on 22nd June 1999 featured the following:
>
> 3 [2] Margaret Wake aka: Lady Wake b: Abt. 1299 d: 29
> Sep 1349 ref #:
> W114-5
> *2nd Husband of [2] Margaret Wake:
>
> +Edmund Plantagenet aka: Edmund of Kent b: 5 Aug 1301
> d: 19 Mar
> 1329/30 ref #: F226:14xvii
>
>
> If Edmund Plantaganet was Margaret Wake's second husband, who was her first
> husband, and was there any issue of the marriage? Also, what other issue was
> there of Edmund's marriage to Margaret Wake?
>
> thanks,
>
> Michelle Murphy
>
>
>
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