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From: Stewart Baldwin< >
Subject: Re: Kings of Scotland
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:44:28 GMT


(Leo Akershoek) wrote:

>I am looking for help to fill in the ancestors of Duncan I of Scotland.

>Here is all I have. It is very, very little, almost not worth mentionning,
>but, nevertheless, part of my own pedigree. It might not even be correct.

>1. Duncan I, born 1001, murdered at Elgin (Moray) on August 1, 1040

"Donnchad" in Gaelic. I don't know about the birthdate, as most
births are undocumented for this period. The list of Scottish kings
in "The New History of Ireland" [NHI] gives 15 Aug 1040 as the death
date.

>He was married too Sybille of Northumberland, daughter of Siward Bjornsson
>and Aelflaed of Bernicia. His parents were:-
>2. Cronan Dunkeld

Crnn, abbot of Dunkeld

>3. Bethoc Kenneth Mcalpin

Just Bethoc.

>For the other ancestors of Duncan, I have only the following male names,
>ancestors of his mother, nothing at all on the ancestors of his father.
>Their wifes, and consequently their ancestors, are a complete mystery to me.

> 6. Malcolm II, died 25-11-1034

[Mel Coluim mac Cineda]

>12. Kenneth II, murdered 994

[Cined mac Mel Coluim, d. 995 acc. to NHI]

>24. Malcolm I

[Mel Coluim mac Domnaill, d. 954]
>48. Donald VI

[Domnall mac Causantn, d. 900, usually called Donald II if a number
is used, as most historians don't count the Dalriadan kings in the
numbering scheme (and you would have to include some fictional kings
to number him as high as "VI" anyway).]

>96. Constantine II, died 952

Actually, Causantn mac Cineda (Constantine I), who d. 876, and
should not be confused with his nephew Constantine II (son of ed),
who died in 952.

>192. Kenneth I, died 854

Cined mac Ailpn, d. 858, for whom see below for 12 additional
generations of ancestors.

The most detailed recent study is that of Marjorie O. Anderson, "Kings
and Kingship in Early Scotland" (Edinburgh and London, Scottish
Academic Press, 1973), which gives a very detailed account of the
primary source material. The line of descent from king Fergus (the
earliest ancestor who can be regarded as reasonably certain) is:

1. Fergus, King of Dl Riata (often anglicised as Dalriada)
2. Domangart mac Fergusa, King of Dalriada, d. ca. 503/7.
3. Gabrn mac Domangairt, King of Dalriada, d. ca. 558/560.
4. edn mac Gabrin, King of Dalriada, d. 17 Apr 608/9.
5. Eochaid Buide mac edin, King of Dalriada, d. 629/31.
6. Domnall Brecc mac Echdach, King of Dalriada, d. 642.
7. Domangart mac Domnaill, King of Dalriada, d. 673.
8. Eochaid mac Domangairt, King of Dalriada, d. 697.
9. Eochaid mac Echdach, King of Dalriada, d. 733.
10. ed Find mac Echdach, King of Dalriada, d. 778.
11. Eochaid mac eda, apparently did not rule, dates unknown.
12. Ailpn mac Echdach, King of Dalriada, d. 840?
13. Cinaed [Kenneth] mac Ailpn, King of the Scots and
Picts, d. 858.

To my knowledge, no good documentation exists for any female ancestors
of Bethoc. You will find occasional claims for wives of some of these
men in some sources, but they don't stand up well under close
scrutiny.

Stewart Baldwin

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