GEN-MEDIEVAL-L Archives

Archiver > GEN-MEDIEVAL > 1998-09 > 0905108363


From: William Addams Reitwiesner< >
Subject: Re: Eleanor of BAR
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 18:59:23 GMT


wrote:

>Can some kind soul tell me if Eleanor of Bar, dau of Eleanor of Wngland and
>Henri III, Count of Bar, was the mother of Thomas ap Llywelyn, Lord of Iscoed.
>If she is, then Abraham Lincoln has a descent from Edward I; if not Abe has a
>descent from Thomas ap Llywelyn.

Peter C. Bartrum, in his *Welsh Genealogies, AD 300-1400* [Cardiff:
University of Wales Press, 1974], vol. 4, p. 782 (table "Rhys ap Tewdwr
7"), gives two wives for Llywelyn ab Owain, father of Thomas ap Llywelyn.
They are (1) Gwanas, daughter of Thomas ap Robinod, constable of
Llansteffan Castle, and (2) an unnamed daughter of Sir Robert de Valle of
Trefgarn Owain. Unfortunately, the Welsh genealogical manuscripts, at
different places, give *both* of Llywelyn's wives as Thomas's mother.
Bartrum cites Bridgeman's *History of the Principality of South Wales*
[1876], pp. 238 and 249 (which I haven't seen), for further information on
both Thomas and Llywelyn.

William Addams Reitwiesner


"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."

This thread: