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Subject: Identification of Maud, wife of John de Moels, Lord Moels (d. 1310)
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:23:01 EST
Tuesday, 15 January, 2002
Good morning all,
Under _Moels_, Complete Peerage states of John de Moels, lst Lord Moels
(d. 20 May 1310),
'He m., in or before 1302, Maud.
NOTE (b) Cal. Patent Rolls, 1301-7, p. 53. Her
parentage has not been ascertained.' [Vol. IX, p. 6]
I have determined that she was Maud de Grey, elder daughter of John de
Grey, 2nd Lord Grey of Wilton; further, that the mother of Maud and her
younger sibling(s) was the lst wife of John de Grey [said to be Anne le
Despenser] and not Maud Basset, his second wife.
In CP, under Grey of Ruthin, there is a statement concerning the
inheritance of Sir Roger de Grey, younger son of John de Grey above and later
Lord Grey [of Ruthin]. The footnote concerning this inheritance states,
' By five fines, leived, two in the octaves of St.
Michael, two from St. Michael in fifteen days, and
one on the morrow of All Souls 5 Edw. II, John de
Grey conveyed (1) the manor of Holwell, two parts
of the manor of Stokehammond and the reversion of
the third part (expectant on the death of Lettice,
wife of John de Eton, who held the same in dower),
(2) the manors of Great Brickhill, Over Bletchley,
and Snellson, (3) the manors of Yelling, Hemingford
Turberville, Harrold, Puddington, Thurleigh,
Brogborough, and Wrest, to himself for life, with
rem. to Roger his son in tail general, with further
remainders, as to (2), to Roger son of John de
Mules, in tail general; as to (3), to John son of
Ralph Basset of Drayton, and to Ralph br. of the
last named John, in successive tail general; with
final rem., in each case, to his own right heirs.
(Feet of Fines, case 3, file 41, no. 16; case 18,
file 63, nos. 18, 24; case 87, file 55, no. 101;
case 93, file 19, no. 17). ' [Vol VI, p. 153 note (a)]
By the foregoing, John de Grey made provision for his descendants other
than his own heir apparent and elder son Henry, who would succeed to the
manor of Wilton in the future, and the prior conveyance by licence (18 Nov
1311) to himself, with remainder to his younger son Roger, of the castle of
Ruthin, co. Denbigh and certain other lands [CP Vol. VI, p. 174]. These were:
1. Roger de Moels [Mules], son of John de Moels, Lord
Moels, by his daughter Maud de Grey. John de Moels
had already died on 20 May 1310, and his elder son
Nicholas had also passed away as well (death
given by CP, Vol IX, p. 6 as simply 'before 29 Jan
1315/16).
Roger was born ca. 11 June 1295, and was a minor
at the time of the fine. In fact, Roger de Moels
did not acquire the manors noted in the above fines,
as he predeceased his grandfather, before 13 Jul
1316. He was succeeded in his right to the manors
of the de Moels family by his brother John, later
4th Lord Moels.
2. John Basset, elder son of Ralph Basset, Lord Basset
of Drayton (d. 1342) by Joan de Grey, daughter of
Henry de Grey by his first wife, together with his
younger brother Ralph Basset. John d.v.p. before
1342; his younger brother Ralph died ca. 1335,
leaving a son Ralph Basset (who eventually succeeded
his grandfather Ralph in 1342 as Lord Basset of
Drayton).
That Maud, and her younger sister Joan, could not have been the daughter
of John de Grey by Maud Basset is due to an almost insurmountable problem of
consanguinity. Maud Basset was the aunt of Ralph Basset of Drayton (d.
1342), husband of Joan de Grey. Were Maud the mother of Joan, she and her
husband Ralph would have been related in the 2nd degree [lst cousins], which
relationship would be most unlikely to receive a dispensation at the time
(prior to 27 march 1304).
Based on the foregoing, the following table reflects the relationships
now identified.
Sir William = Anne le Sir Reynold = Maud de
de Ferrers I Despenser de Grey I Longchamps
I ________________I
I I
1) Anne de = John de Grey = 2) Maud
Ferrers I Lord Grey of Wilton Basset
I d. 28 Oct 1323
____________I___________________________
I I I I
Maud = John de Henry de Sir Roger Joan = Ralph
de I Moels Grey de Grey de Grey I Basset
Grey I d. 1310 I I I
_____I________ I I _____I______
I I I I______ I I I
Nicholas I I I I I I
dsp I Sir John I I John Ralph
______I de Moels I I Basset Basset
I d.ca. 1337 I I dsp dvp 1335
Roger I I I
d.ca. I I I
1316 V V V
from whom, Grey Grey
via Muriel: of of
Lord Dinham; Wilton Ruthin
Lord Hungerford;
& c.
From the marriage of Muriel de Moels and her husband Sir Thomas de
Courtenay, of Dunterton and Woodhuish, co. Devon, the following emigrants are
descended:
1. William Asfordby
2. William Bladen
3. & 4. George and Nehemiah Blakiston
5. William Farrar
6. Anne Humphrey
7. John Nelson
8. Herbert Pelham
9. Edward Raynsford
10. William Skepper
11. Maria Johanna Somerset
12. John Stockman
13. John West
14. George Yate
Good luck, and good hunting to all.
John *
* John P. Ravilious
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