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From: Reedpcgen< >
Subject: Re: SIR ROGER LA ZOUCHE
Date: 1 Apr 1999 22:23:18 GMT


I am going out of town, and so will not be able to post a detailed account of
this family and it's various descents (with full citations and explanation of
analysis) until the end of next week.

I first studied this family in detail some years ago when working on the
Wentworths, who inherited the Biset land in Elmsal from the heiress of that
branch of the family. Roger Dodsworth proposed an erroneous pedigree in an
attempt to connect the John Biset who died ca. 19 Edw. II holding land in
Elmsal and Thweng (leaving a son and heir named John Biset, aged 30 and more)
[CIPM Edw. II 6:407 (no. 643)] to the Kidderminster Bisets. This John is not
the one who succeeded as heir of the Worcester Biset family, as Dodsworth had
supposed.

A kind soul has faxed me the pertinent pages of the Cirencester Cartulary. I
therefore make this addendum to my initial post, leaving the full explanation
for next week. The information it contains has only reinforced my previous
conclusions.

WILIAM BISET, first documented ancestor of this family in England, was a baron
of Stephen, Count of Aumale and lord of Holderness, Yorkshire [EYC, etc.].
William Biset and his wife, HAWISE were parents of at least six children
(possibly seven):

1. William "Carpentarius" of East Bridgford, Nottingham, married Susanna
___ and had a son and heir named Henry (d. by 1212). It seems logical to
conclude that it was this Henry--who had Nottingham/Yorkshire ties--who married
Aubrey Fitz Eustace, sister of John the Constable, and that she survived him to
marry William d'Aubigny of Belvoir.

2. Manasser Biset, steward to Henry II by 1153, d. 1177, had lands in Notts.
[but this land he gave to his brother William, ending his interests there],
Worcs., ,Wilts., and Hants. [but no evidence of Yorkshire lands], and Gloucs.
By his wife,
Alice, sister of Gilbert de Falaise, he also had a son and heir named Henry
Biset, who died in 1208. This Henry definitely married Isolde, but she might
be a second wife, rather than mother of his heir. I know of no specific
evidence or rationale to claim that this Henry, who was seated at
Kidderminster, Worcester, married a Yorkshire girl. No Yorkshire lands are
evidenced in this branch of the family or their descendants.

3. Henry Biset [liv. ca. 1156-61?]

4. Ausold/Ansold Biset [liv. ca. 1156-61?]

5. Bartholomew Biset [liv. a. 1166], apparently father of William Biset.

6. Felicia Biset, who married Ansfrid Thorel, alias de la Marche, and received
interests in the Gloucestershire manor of Wigwold.

?7. Robert Biset, who witnessed one of the charters, and was therefore
contemporaneous.

Also, there was a Henry Biset, living 1231, who married Sibyl, eldest of the
three daughters and coheirs of Adam son of Burnell de Amenville/Dampnevill and
his wife Petronille, who was then suing for his wife's interests in Yorkshire.

So we'll hash this all out on my return. Everyone have a good Easter!

pcr

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