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From: Richard Borthwick < >
Subject: Re: Champernowne (was Re: BODRUGAN/BODRUGANHAM/BEWPELL/FITZWARIN/COLES of Devon)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 12:26:59 +0800


At 06:35 PM 21/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>"Don Mcarthur" < >:
>> Alan B. Wilson, wrote
>>
>> > Weis, Ancestral Roots, 124A:33, lists "Henry de Chambernon
>> > (or Champernon), b. ca. 1274, d. 1330, of Ilfracombe, Devon, and
>> > Tywardreath, Cornwall; m. Joan, dau. Sir Henry Bodrugan.
>> > (Champernowne Family, cit., pp. 12-21; Vivian, Visit. of Devon,
>> > p. 160)."
>>
>> Does this connect to Alexander Champenoun, of Devon, d 1441, husband of
>> Joan Ferrars.
>
>This Henry Champernowne of Ilfracombe represented the senior line of the
>family, being son of William, son of an earlier Henry, son of Oliver,
>son of Henry, son of Jordan, who married Mabel of Gloucester and is the
>earliest proven ancestor of the family. (She was daughter of Robert,
>younger son of Earl Robert of Gloucester, and hence great-granddaughter
>of Henry I. This corrects Ancestral Roots, which shows her as daughter
>of Earl Robert. It also creates a bit of a chronological problem,
>suggesting that Henry may not have been her son, but I don't want to get
>too far afield.)
The above is also a correction of Loyd in *Origins of some Anglo-Norman
Families* p.26 where it is said that Mabira (living about 1170 when she
confirms a gift of her son Jordan) was the sister of earl William and
daughter of earl Robert. Loyd does not say that Mabira was the mother of
Henry. He only says that she was the mother of Jordan and that Jordan had a
brother Richard. A Henry de Ch. held seven knights fees of the old feoffment
of Olver de Tracy in 1166 and a Jordan de Ch. held two knights fees of earl
William in the same year. Loyd makes no mention of these two being
brothers/half-brothers. In the corrected account is Robert, Mabira's father,
that Robert son of earl Robert ("query legit.") who is named in a charter
ca.1160 and addressed in a writ of Henry II as "castellan of Gloucester" [CP
V:686 note (b)]?

>Alexander descended from Henry's uncle Richard Champernowne of Modbury.
>He was son of Richard, son of Thomas, son of Richard, son of Richard
>(son of Henry, son of Oliver . . .).
>
>Now, for the moment of truth. Why is Alexander relevant to you? I ask
>because there is a widespread error which erroneously calls Joan, wife
>of 1) James Chudlegh and 2) John Courteney, the daughter of Alexander,
>when there is near-contemporary evidence that she was instead his
>sister.
>
>taf
>

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