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From: "Douglas Richardson " < >
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth de Lisle, wife of Edmund Peverel
Date: 20 Aug 2005 10:40:33 -0700
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Dear Chris ~

Thank you for your good post.

As noted earlier in this thread, Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): 73,
footnote i (sub Lisle) states that Alice de Lisle, daughter of Robert
de Lisle, Lord Lisle, married (1st) Sir Thomas Seymour and (2nd) Robert
Peverel. It further claims that Alice de Lisle died in 1349, citing as
its source the following:

Cal. Inq. p.m., vol. ix, no. 179.

The inquisition in question is the IPM of Alice, widow of Robert
Peverel, of Castle Ashby, Northamptonshire, and subsequently wife of
Thomas de Verdun. The writ for the inquisition is dated 5 May 1349.
Alice Peverel's heir at the time of her death was her grandson, John
Peverel, aged 19. John Peverel was the son of Alice's deceased son,
Edmund Peverel, and his wife, Elizabeth de Lisle.

The IPM of Alice (_____) (Peverel) de Verdun is followed immediately in
the published calendar by that of her minor grandson, John Peverel.
The writ for his inquisition is dated 24 November 1349. John Peverel's
heir was his sister, Margaret, wife of William de la Pole, Knt., she
being aged 18. Margaret (Peverel) de la Pole has living descendants.

Alice (_____) (Peverel) de Verdun (died 1349) is a completely different
person and much older than Alice de Lisle, wife of Sir Thomas de
Seymour, of Rode, Somerset (he died without issue 1358). Conflating
the two women into one person is a serious blunder on Complete
Peerage's part.

I know of no evidence whatsoever that Alice de Lisle married (2nd)
Robert Peverel. In any event, she certainly had no issue by her
Seymour marriage and obviously no known descendants. The Lisle chart
in C.P. 8:48 is in error to claim she had "descendants." C.P. is
correct to state, however, that Alice de Lisle's sister, Elizabeth (de
Lisle) Peverel, has descendants.

Interested parties can find further details on the Lisle, Peverel, and
de la Pole families in my new book, Magna Carta Ancestry (2005).
Please contact me offlist for information regarding price and ordering
details.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

Chris Phillips wrote:
> Douglas Richardson wrote:
> > It's way time you told the truth. The REAL reason why you don't want
> > to post the IPM cited by Complete Peerage is because you KNOW it will
> > show I'm correct. Well, I'm not going to save you, CED. You got
> > yourself in this horrible mess all by yourself. Now you need to post
> > the IPM and explain yourself.
>
> For the rest of us, who are just interested in knowing the truth of the
> matter, it would be very helpful if you could let us know why you think CP
> is wrong about this.
>
> Chris Phillips


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