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From: Kay Allen AG < >
Subject: Re: Meynell of Langley Meynell
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:43:59 -0700


Robert O'Connor wrote:
>
> I have just stumbled upon my connection to the Meynell family of Langley
> Meynell in Derbyshire, and give details of the line as I have been able to
> discern it with my limited resources as follows. Interestingly, two lines
> from Henry I are available through the Audley connection shown. Any
> additions, comments, or suggestions where I may find additional material
> recorded would be appreaciated.
>
> ++++
>
> GILBERT de MEYNELL (2), of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He had issue:
> Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> ROBERT de MEYNELL (2), of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He held 5 knight's
> fees of Ralph Fitz Hubert, of which Langley was one. He had issue: Burke's
> LG 1937, p 1587
>
> 1.Stephen.
> 2.ROBERT, He had issue:
> 1a.ISABEL, M SEWALLIS de SHIRLEY, of Shirley, Derbys. (In 1167 he
> acknowledged himself as the holder of 9 knight's fees in Derbys.). She had
> issue: (See SHIRLEY) Burke's P 1970, p 998
> 3.WILLIAM, of whom we presently.
>
> WILLIAM de MEYNELL, of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He had issue: Burke's LG
> 1937, p 1587
>
> HUGH de MEYNELL, of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He was Steward of William de
> Ferrers, Earl of Derby. Living 1251. M Philippa, d. of Thomas Ednesoure.
> He had issue: CP VIII, p 619 Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> WILLIAM de MEYNELL, of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He was a great benefactor
> of Yeaveley Priory. He had issue: Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> HUGH de MEYNELL, M.P., of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He was M.P. for
> Derbys. in 5 successive Parliaments during the reign of Edward III. M
> Johanna, d. & heir of Robert de la Ward, Steward of the Household of Edward
> I. He had issue: Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> Sir HUGH MEYNELL, Kt., of Langley Meynell, Derbys., He was summoned for
> military service to Newcastle-upon-Tyne, April 1327. He fought at the
> Battles of Crecy, 1346, & Poitiers, 1356. M after 1335 & before 4 March
> 1342/3 Alice, widow of Ralph Basset (d c. 1335), & d. of Nicholas, 1st
> Baron Audley, & his wife Joan, d. of William, 1st Baron Martin (See
> AUDLEY). He had issue: CP II, p 3 Burke's LG 1937, p 1587 Nichols II, p
> 532
>
> Sir RICHARD MEYNELL, Kt., of Langley Meynell, Derbys., M Joan (Died May
> 1398). Died Feb. 1376. He had issue: HoP 1386-1421, III, p 730
>
> 1.RALPH (Sir), Kt., of whom we presently.
> 2.William (Sir), Kt., M.P., of Yeaveley, Derbys., Born after 1362. In
> Aug. 1387 he obtained a royal pardon for murdering Richard de Belle.
> Knighted by Oct. 1395. M.P. for Derbys., Sept. 1397. He went to Ireland
> as a member of Richard II's unsuccessful expedition there, 1399. Died
> 1402. He had issue: HoP 1386-1421, III, p 730
> 1a.Gerard, M.P., of Yeaveley, Derbys., M.P. for Derbys., 1429 & 1435. He
> had issue: (See Burke's Landed Gentry, 1937, Meynell of Meynell Langley)
> Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> Sir RALPH MEYNELL, Kt., of Langley Meynell, Derbys. & Hints, Warw., Born
> c. 1362. His mother acquired his wardship & marriage following his
> father's death in 1376. M Christiana Chute. Died 1388. He had issue:
> HoP 1386-1421, III, p 730 Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
>
> 1.JOAN, of whom we presently.
> 2.Elizabeth, Born 1383. M 1st William Crawshawe (Died after 1400). M 2nd
> by 1405 Roger Bradshaw, M.P., of Milwich, Staffs. (Died c. 1431). She had
> issue. HoP 1386-1421 II, p 328
> 1a.William Bradshaw, of Milwich, Staffs.
>
> 3.Margaret, M Roger Dethick, son of Sir William Dethick, Kt., M.P., J.P.,
> of Dethick & Radbourne, Derbys. Burke's LG 1937, p 1587
> 4.Thomasine, M Reginald Dethick, son of Sir William Dethick, Kt., M.P.,
> J.P., of Dethick & Radbourne, Derbys. She had issue: HoP 1386-1421 II, p
> 781
> 1a.Maud Dethick, M Ralph Basset, of Blore, Staffs. Died 1466. She had
> issue.
>
> JOAN MEYNELL, M JOHN STAUNTON, of Staunton Harold, Leics. (Died 1405). She
> sued her 3 sisters alleging that that had refused to make a full partition
> of the Meynell estates, 1406. She had issue: (See STAUNTON) Burke's LG
> 1937, p 1587 HoP 1386-1421 II, p 328
>
> ++++
> --
> Robert O'Connor
>
> Christchurch
> New Zealand

Wrotesley in His Pedigress from the Plea Rolls, p.229, gives from Joan
back to Hugh who is supposed to have married Alice de Audley. This Hugh
is given as marrying a Hawise. His source is a De Banco roll of Hillary
term, 4 Hen 4 (1464), membrane 307.

Then the Coll. for a History of Staffordshire (Wm Salt Soc.), 1917/18,
pp. 72-3, gives concerning Sir Hugh, "Born c. 1300; son and heir of Sir
Hugh M. of Hintes and Langley, M.P. Derbyshire 1324, 1332 9D. 1333,(5)
by Jane,(6) daughter and heiress of Robert de la Ward of Kingsley. He
married (1) by 1333, Ida, (7) the mother of his heir; (2) Alice daughter
of Nicholas, Lord Audley, and widow of Ralph Basset, eldest son of Ralph
B., Lord Basset of Drayton. She was the mother of the last Basset, Lord
of Drayton, and by her Meynell had a son Thomas. (8)"

(5) C.R. [Close Rolls, unspecified]
(6) "Hawise," Geneal. N.S. XV 91. [This citation is to Pedigrees from
the Plea Rolls which were published in The Genealogist before being
published as a volume]
(7) P.R. [Patent Rolls, unspecified]
(8) S.C. XII 27 [William Salt, Collections,]

The d. 1333 is apparently a misprint, because p. 73 says," He died 1363,
leaving his son Richard aged 30 or more. (5)"
(5) IPM, unspecified.

Then I have that the grandfather of the Hugh who married the de la Warde
married Philippa Savage, dtr. of Geoffrey Savage of Hintes, not of
Thomas Ednesore. Her sister Lucy Savage is supposed to have married
Thomas Ednesore.

I do not carry the line any further back and I, personally, do not trust
anything that Burke says.

Kay Allen AG

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