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From: "John P. Ravilious" < >
Subject: Re: Lucy Ros, wife of Robert Plumpton--CP Correction?
Date: 19 Mar 2007 09:57:24 -0700
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Dear Robert,

CP XI:117-118 is correct. Lucy, wife of Sir Robert de Plumpton,
was the daughter of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe and his wife
Eustache, or Eustachia. The best evidence for this I've seen: the
issue of Sir Robert de Plumpton and Lucy de Ros included Eustachia, or
"Eustasia, dau. of Robert Plumpton, of Plumpton", wife of Sir Peter de
Middleton [Foster, Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire,
pedigree of Middleton]. Lucy, daughter of Sir William de Ros of
Helmsley (sister of William of Ingmanthorpe) was the wife of William
de Kyme, of Sotby, Lincs. and mother of Philip de Kyme [see
Genealogics, #I00340654].

This constitutes a correction to CP XI:94. Thanks for bringing
this to the attention of the list; I will pass same on to Chris
Phillips for his website, http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk

Many thanks for this!

Cheers,

John




On Mar 19, 12:25 pm, "Robert Forrest" < > wrote:
> CP 11:94, discussing Sir William de Ros (d. prob. 1264, m. Lucy FitzPiers?)
> footnote i:
> "(i) Rievaulx Chartulary, p. 360. He had yr. sons, William (see Ros of
> Ingmanthorpe), Alexander, Herbert and John, Knights, and Piers, and
> daughters Lucy, who m. Robert, s. of Robert de Plumton, and Alice, who m.
> Sir John Comyn, lord of Badenoch..."
> The footnote then gives a string of citations for all the younger sons and
> daughters.
>
> CP 11:117-118, discussing the Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe referred to
> above, says:
> "...presumably 3rd son of Sir William (son of Robert) de Ros of Helmsley,
> who d. c1264...", and goes on to tell us that this William married Eustache
> FitzHugh, widow of Nicholas de Cauntelo, adding a footnote (h) on p. 118:
> "...Eustache d. in his lifetime. He left a younger son Thomas...and several
> daughters: Margaret..., Mary..., and apparently Lucy, wife of Sir Robert de
> Plumpton (Yorks. Deeds, Yorks Rec. Ser., vol. v, no. 273), who had a da.
> named Eustache(Idem, no. 306)..."
>
> So was Lucy who married Robert Plumpton the daughter (as on p. 94) or the
> granddaughter (as on p. 118) of Sir William de Ros of Helmsley?
>
> Robert Forrest



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