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From: "Colin Bevan" < >
Subject: Re: Griffith - Willoughby - Somerville (from older post)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:07:30 +1300
I am following these messages with some interest as I have connections with
the Annesleys
I can answer some of your questions but not knowing the time frame involved
these are guesses.
Sir Hugh Annesley (AKA Hugh Thomas), son of Sir Thomas Annesley and Agnes de
Clifton, was married to Benedicta Babington, daughter of Sir John Babington
(1350-1409) and Benedicta Ward, daughter of Sir Simon Ward.
They had a daughter Isabel who presumably married your Edmund Willoughby.
(Don't have references for this)
The de la Poles were Earls and later Dukes of Suffolk, though I am not sure
which Richard you are referring to. They were very influential in the time
of King Richard III - John de la Pole married Elizabeth Plantagenet, sister
of Edward IV and Richard III. Being Yorkists they consequently suffered a
decline under Lancastrian rule.
Unfortunately I don't know of any Somerville connections with these
families.
Cheers
Rosie
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert O'Connor < >
To: < >
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Griffith - Willoughby - Somerville (from older post)
> Thank you for the very interesting Willoughby & Somerville posts
>
> My source for the marriage of Sir Edmund Willoughby d 1414 to Alice
> Somerville is Paylings modern work entitled 'Political Society in
> Lancashire England, The Greater Gentry of Nottinghamshire', Clarendon
> Press, Oxford, 1991.
>
> I have not encountered the Thoroton Society material to which you refer.
> Does that reference give any detail on Sir Richard Pole and his origins.
>
> I think that the reference to Isabel kinswoman and heir of Alexander de
> Somerville is probably the same Isabel who married Willoughby. Thank you
> for the lead.
>
> --
> Robert O'Connor
>
> Christchurch
> New Zealand
>
> R. Battle < > wrote in article
> < >...
> One more think--are you sure that Edmund's wife was an Alice Somerville?
> According to the pedigrees of Willoughby of Wollaton in /Transactions of
> the Thoroton Society/ (vol. VI - 1902 - supplement) and Thoroton's /The
> Antiquities of Nottinghamshire/ (republished 1972; vol. 2 pp. 208-213) the
> wife of this Edmund was a daughter of Sir Richard Pole.
>
> One other point of interest is the reference to "Isabel, kinswoman and
> heir of Alexander de Somervill," in Sir Philip de Somervill[e]'s IPM
> (1355 vol. X, Edward III, p. 220) as possessed of a moiety of a knight's
> fee in Cosynton [Cossington], Leicester. Her surname is not given, so she
> could conceivably be the wife of EITHER Edmund (father or son). Perhaps
> she was the Cossington heiress.
>
> -Robert Battle
>
> On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, R. Battle wrote:
>
> > Robert,
> >
> > Are you sure that Alice, wife of Edmund Willoughby (d. 1414), was the
> > heiress who brought Cossington into the Willoughby family? If the
> > Willoughbby ownership of that land was not attested until later perhaps
> it
> > came into the Willoughby family via the marriage of Sir Robert
Willoughby
> > of Wollaton to Margaret Griffith (daughter of Sir John Griffith of
> Wichnor
> > [d. 1471]), herself a Somerville descendant.
> >
> > -Robert Battle
> >
> > *************************
> >
> > I have:
> >
> > ++++
> >
> > Sir EDMUND WILLOUGHBY, Kt., of Wollaton, Notts., M Alice Somerville,
> > heiress of Cossington & Hamilton, Leics.
> > Died 1414. He had issue: Payling,
> > p 242 HSP Notts I, p 145
> >
> > ++++
> >
> > I am having trouble placing "Alice Somerville", and indeed wonder if she
> > was a Somerville at all. Payling calls her "heiress of Cossington", but
> > does not show the specific connection with the Somerville family which
> > owned Cossington.
> >
> > The Willoughbys of Wollaton held Cossington in Leicestershire, thereby
> > strongly suggesting such a connection.
> >
> > The last Somerville was, however, Sir Philip Somerville (d 1355). He
> held
> > Cossington, although his main property was Whichnor in Staffordshire.
> Sir
> > Philp had, according to Stebbing Shaw, only two daughters & no sons.
> >
> > [snip]
> > --
> > Robert O'Connor
> >
> > Christchurch
> > New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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