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From: Alan B. Wilson< >
Subject: Re: Hastings Pedigree
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 11:37:40 -0700
In article <l03102800b35a931f0726@[137.205.97.11]>,
(Cristopher Nash) wrote:
> I hope people will forgive me for rearing the gory head of Hastings again,
> but following the long and illuminating discussion among Alan B Wilson, Kay
> Allen and Richard Borthwick concerning in particular (among others) the
> marriage and descendents of Hugh de Hastings (d. before 1166) and Erneburga
> de Flamville (though Kay had last-minute doubts there):
>
> May I ask whether everybody is ok about: Robert de Hastings of Little
> Easton m. Maud de Flamville-->daughter Aelicia/Delicia who married (1)
> Ralph de Cornhil and (2) ca 1199 Geoffrey/Godefrey de Louvain/Lovaine (who
> d. bef 26 Apr 1226)?
>
> If so, should I take it that this is the Robert in Richard B's prcis of
> Sanders, vis.: a Robert de Hastings presumably of Little Easton who d.
> about 1190 having m. an Isabel (da. of William s. of Walter Fitz Other) and
> left a da. Alice? And if so, has anybody an idea how that would work?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cris
Here is how I have put it together, in descent formats (relying
primarily on Moriarty, #544 in the source list.)
FITZOTHER DESCENT
(1) 1 Walter FitzOther Lord of Eton (Bucks)[82, 366:16],[411, p. 470
(table 12)],[455, p. 589],[353, p. 130],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20],[544]
castellan of Windsor[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20]
d. aft 1100[411, p. 470 (table 12) +],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 +]
& Beatrice[82, 366:17],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20]
(2) 1.1 William of Windsor[455, p. 590],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20]
(2) 1.2 Robert Lord of Little Easton[353, p. 130],[455, p. 589],[544]
Lord of Little Easton (Essex)
d. ca 1128[353, p. 130 +],[544, +]
(3) 1.2.1 William Lord of Little Easton[353, p. 130],[455, p.
589],[544]
Lord of Little Easton (Essex)[353, p. 130]
d. 1162/1166[353, p. 130],[544, + (bef 1166)]
& Hawise de GUERRES[544]
d. aft 1219[544, +]
(4) 1.2.1.1 Isabel (/Delicia)[353, p. 130],[455, p. 589]
b. Of Little Easton (Essex)
(4) 1.2.1.2 Robert de HASTINGS[74],[233],[455, p. 589],[544]
b. of Little Easton (Essex) England[74]
d. ca 1190[353, p. 130 +]
& Maud de Flamville Lady[74],[544]
d. aft 1219[544, +]
(5) 1.2.1.2.1 Alice HASTINGS[74],[233],[353, p.
130],[455, p. 589],[544]
b. Of Little Easton (Essex)[353, p. 130]
& Godfrey de Lovaine[74],[455, p. 589],[544]
d. ca 26 Apr 1226[74]
custodian of the castle Eye (Suffk) England[74]
m. ca 1199[233]
(6) 1.2.1.2.1.1 Matthew (de Louvaine) DESSEX
Sir[41],[74],[233],[455, p. 589]
b. of Little Easton (Essex) England[74]
custodian of the honour of Eye (Essex)[74]
d. Jun 1258[233]
& Muriel [74],[233]
d. aft 1275[74]
(2) 1.3 Gerald de Windsor Constable of Pembroke[74],[82,
366:08*],[411, p. 470 (table 12)],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; "Offaly" x,
10-20]
. Constable of Pembroke Castle[74]
d. bef 1136[74],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 +]
& Nesta ferch Rhys[74],[82, 366:09*],[411, p. 470 (table 12)],[41,
"Offaly" x, 10-20]
(3) 1.3.1 Maurice FitzGerald Lord[74],[82, 366:04],[233],[411,
p. 470 (table 12)],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; "Offaly" x, 10-20]
b. ca 1100[74],[82],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 *]
Lord of Lanstephen, Wales; Steward of St. Davids[74]
d. 1 Sep 1176, Wexford (Leinster) Ireland[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20]
& Alice of Montgomery[74],[82, 366:05],[233],[41, "Kerry" vii,
200-216]
m. ?
(4) 1.3.1.1 Gerald FitzMaurice Baron of Offaly[74],[82,
366:02],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; "Offaly" x, 10-20]
b. ca 1150[74],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 *]
I Baron of Offaly[74]
d. bef 15 Jan 1203/1204[74],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 +]
& Eve de BERMINGHAM[74],[82, 366:03],[41, "Kerry" vii,
200-216; "Offaly" x, 10-20]
d. bef 1226[74],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 +]
(5) 1.3.1.1.1 Maurice fitz Gerald Baron of
Offaly[74],[82],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; "Offaly" x, 10-20]
b. ca 1190[74],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20]
II Baron Offaly; Lord of Lea[74]
d. 1257, monastery of Youghal[74],[41, "Offaly" x,
10-20 +@]
br. monastery of Youghal[41, @]
Mo. Justicar of Ireland[74]
& Juliane de COGAN[82],[41, "Offaly" x, 10-20 ("Juliane")]
b. ca 1215[82]
(6) 1.3.1.1.1.1 Maurice fitz
Maurice[82],[233],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; "Offaly" x, 16, n. a]
of Offely[233]
Lord of Offaly, Ireland[74]
d. 1286[74],[41, "Kerry" vii, 200-216; +]
& Emmeline Longespee[82],[233],[41, "Kerry" vii,
200-216]
b. ca 1250, of Sutton (Nhants) England[74],[82]
d. 1291[82]
m. ca 1266[74]
(3) 1.3.2 ? de Windsor[490],[543]
& William de HASTINGS[490],[543],[484]
d. aft 1130[543, +]
(4) 1.3.2.1 Hugh de HASTINGS Lord of Fillongley[455, p.
266],[483, p. 32],[543]
Lord of Fillongley (Warks([455, p. 266]
& Erneburga de FLAMVILLE[455, p. 266],[483, p. 32],[543]
(5) 1.3.2.1.1a William HASTINGS*[484],[455, p. 266],[543]
steward to Henry II[455, p. 266]
d. bef 1 Apr 1182[543, +]
& Maud BANASTER[455, p. 266],[543]
(6) 1.3.2.1.1a.1 Henry de HASTINGS[455, p. 266],[543]
d. bef 1194[455, p. 266],[543, +]
(6) 1.3.2.1.1a.2 William de HASTINGS[74],[455, p.
266],[543]
& Margaret BIGOD[74],[455, p. 266]
(5) 1.3.2.1.1b William HASTINGS*[484],[455, p. 266],[543]
steward to Henry II[455, p. 266]
d. bef 1 Apr 1182[543, +]
& Ida of Ewe[455, p. 266]
(5) 1.3.2.1.2 Richard de HASTINGS Rector of
Barewell[455, p. 266]
rector of Barewell (Leics)[455, p. 266]
(5) 1.3.2.1.3 Mahant de HASTINGS[455, p. 266]
(5) 1.3.2.1.4 Thomas HASTINGS[484],[543]
of Gissing (Norfolk)
d. 1182/1189[490, +],[543, + (bef 1194/5)]
(6) 1.3.2.1.4.1 Hugh de HASTINGS[483, chart
facing p. 87],[484],[482, ii, 421],[490],[525],[543]
of Gissing (Norfolk)[490]
d. bef 1204[483, chart facing p. 87],[490, +
(ca 1203)]
& Helen of Allerston[483, chart facing p.
87],[482, ii, 421],[490],[525],[543]
d. bef 1231[490],[543, +]
m. ca 1194/1195[490, =],[543, =]
FLAMVILLE DESCENT
(1) 1 Hugh de FLAMVILLE[483, p. 29]
. 1122[483, p. 29]
(2) 1.1 Roger de FLAMVILLE[483, p. 29]
d. bef 1170[483, p. 29+]
& Ivetta (Juetta) de ARCHES[74, see 136:25],[483, pp. 2, 29],[104, p.
140],[82, 353:07*]
d. 1206[74, see 136:25 +]
(3) 1.1.1 Agnes de FLAMVILLE[483, p. 72]
& William de PERCY[483, chart facing p. 87]
d. bef 1204[483, p. 72]
(4) 1.1.1.1 Alice de PERCY[483, chart facing p. 87],[41, v,
416, n. d]
& Adam de STAVELEY[483, p. 89, chart facing p. 87],[41, v,
416, n. d]
d. ca 1218[483, chart facing p. 87 +]
(5) 1.1.1.1.1 Alice de STAVELEY[483, p. 90, chart
facing p. 87],[41, v, 416, n. d]
d. 1250/1253[483, chart facing p. 87 +]
& Ranulf Fitz Henry[472, i, 89],[483, p. 28],[41, v,
416, n. d],[542]
d. aft 1235[472, i, 89]
m. 1211[483, chart facing p. 87 =]
(4) 1.1.1.2 Walter de PERCY[483, p. 31]
(3) 1.1.2 Maud de Flamville Lady[74],[544]
d. aft 1219[544, +]
& Robert de HASTINGS[74],[233],[455, p. 589],[544]
b. of Little Easton (Essex) England[74]
d. ca 1190[353, p. 130 +]
(4) 1.1.2.1 Alice HASTINGS[74],[233],[353, p. 130],[455, p.
589],[544]
b. Of Little Easton (Essex)[353, p. 130]
& Godfrey de Lovaine[74],[455, p. 589],[544]
d. ca 26 Apr 1226[74]
custodian of the castle Eye (Suffk) England[74]
m. ca 1199[233]
(5) 1.1.2.1.1 Matthew (de Louvaine) DESSEX
Sir[41],[74],[233],[455, p. 589]
b. of Little Easton (Essex) England[74]
custodian of the honour of Eye (Essex)[74]
d. Jun 1258[233]
& Muriel [74],[233]
d. aft 1275[74]
(3) 1.1.3 Hugh de FLAMVILLE[483, p. 29]
d. 1212[483, p. 30]
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Alan B. Wilson
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