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From: "Rosie Bevan" < >
Subject: Re: Braose - Wingfield Connection
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:40:00 +1300
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I have not been following this discussion too closely but noticed in my
files that I have the wife of Richard de Brewse as Eleanor daughter of Sir
John Shelton. To my great embarassement there is no record of the source of
this information. (Possibly Blomefield)
However a quick search of the PRO records reveals that there was a Shelton
Hall in Stradbroke and that later on Sheltons appear to have had a landed
interest in Akenham, suggesting that a Brewse of Stinton daughter married
into this family. It is possible that there was a reciprocal arrangement
whereby a Brewse daughter married a Shelton son and a Brewse son married a
Shelton daughter. The fact that Shelton Hall passed into the hands of the
Wingfields suggests a degree of intermarriage between the families.
Unfortunately the following records are undated and not very specific to the
case in hand.
C 1/1270/25-26 (c1386-c1558)
Peter SENTHIELL and Katherine his wife, late the wife of Richard Townshend,
esquire, v. Jerome SHELTON of London, brother of the said Katherine.:
Failure to save the said Katherine harmless against a former lessee of the
manor of Akenham and the advowsons of the churches of Akenham, Claydon, and
Hemingstone, etc.
C 1/1353/59-62
Robert GRENLYNGE of Fressingfield v. Richard GRENLYNGE.: Manor of Shelton
Hall in Stradbroke, demised by Anthony Wyngfeld, knight, to defendant and
Robert, his brother, since deceased, father of complainant.: SUFFOLK.
>From this we know that there were multiple manors in Stradbroke as we know
there was Brews Hall, a Shelton Hall and a Wingfield manor. An enquiry
cited below made in 1715 was made to establish just how many there were and
what they were called. It looks like their proliferation and names was
causing some confusion
E 134/12&13Anne/Hil11
Mary Digby, executrix of John Digby, John Lucas. v. Harbord Harbord, Peter
Wilson, Geo. Chappell, John Chappell, Jeffrey Shreeve, Danl. Lock, Willm.
Aldis.: Town of Stradbrooke (Suff.) "Are there any, and how many mannors in
the said towne or which extend into the said towne, what are the severall
names of the same, who is or are the p'sent lord or lords, lady or ladyes of
the said respective mannors.
12 & 13 Anne
The following records were kindly provided by Richard Borthwick and outlines
what Alice le Rus brought to the marriage.
1272
A fine Hen 56 No. 70, between Richard de Breous and Alice his wife, and John
Giffard and Maltida his wife, as to the manors of Akenham, Whitingham,
Brumleigh, Stradbrok, Clopton, Asketon, Stynton, Lubure, and Syvelyngton in
cos. Suffolk, York, Lincoln, Norfolk, and Surrey. They are the right of
Alice; and Richard and Alice grant Asketon and Stinton to John Giffard and
wife, for life of the said Maltida.
[De Braose Family, D.G.C. Elwes]
However not all the manors passed to the descendants of Alice as a property
deal made between the senior branch of the Braose family diverted Bromley to
the senior de Braose line. Bramley was initially granted in 1266 to Maud
(nee Clifford) widow of William (III) Longespee (Richard's elder brother)
for life by Alice. But after Alice's second marriage (to Brewes) she and her
husband in 1271 conveyed Bramley to Richard's impoverished brother, William
de Braose and his third wife Mary de Ros.[VCH Surrey 3:83]. There was an
ensuing battle by Maud to reclaim the property brought before the Coram
Rege.
1264
Coram Rege, 49 Hen 111, m. ii
Trial between Matilda Langespeye and Richard de Breus and Alice his wife
which settles the date of Richard and Alice's marriage as being between the
years 46 and 49 Hen 111 (1261-1264). Maltida sues Richard and Alice for
ejecting her men from the manors of Stradefford, Stinton, Bromleigh,
Lutheburg, Sevelington, which she had to farm. The defendants made many
defaults and the Sheriff was ordered to bring them up in Hilary Term.
De Braose Family, D.G.C. Elwes
1272
A fine Hen 56 No. 70, between Richard de Breous and Alice his wife, and John
Giffard and Maltida his wife, as to the manors of Akenham, Whitingham,
Brumleigh, Stradbrok, Clopton, Asketon, Stynton, Lubure, and Syvelyngton in
cos. Suffolk, York, Lincoln, Norfolk, and Surrey. They are the right of
Alice; and Richard and Alice grant Asketon and Stinton to John Giffard and
wife, for the life of the said Maltida.
De Braose Family, D.G.C. Elwes
I hope these ramblings haven't confused the picture further.
Cheers
Rosie
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Subject: Re: Braose - Wingfield Connection
> Tuesday, 6 November, 2001
>
>
> Hello Todd, Cris, Bert, Rosie, Doug, et al.,
>
> Thank you Todd. Your providing the relevant text from Moriarty's
> article is a major benefit.
>
> It would seem we are only short a statement, in an Inq.p.m. or other
> contemporary document, stating or demonstrating that 'Eleanor [Alianor],
> daughter of Sir Richard de Brews' did such-and-such. [Another probability
> which would be confirmatory, nice but not necessary: if we found that Sir
> Richard de Brews' wife's name was Katherine...........:) ]
>
> From your post, the other references in Moriarty's text to the
manors
> of Wingfield & c. are helpful, but especially the specific reference to
> Eleanor's receiving
>
> 'in addition to Wingfield, as part of her maritagium, the manor
of
> Brews in Stradbrook of which she died siezed [sic] in 1376.'
>
> This cannot be other than the manor of 'Stradbroke' which was given
by
> Alice (ne Rus, or le Rus) to her son Richard de Braose in 25 Edw. I, as
per
> your citation from CP 2:304, note i. The line of descent then, all but
> proven, must be as alluded to by yourself and others before and as I
outlined
> on 1 November (below, with slight additions):
>
> 1. John de Braose, of Bramber and Gower, d. 1232, m. Margaret ferch
Llywelyn,
> dau. of Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, Prince of Aberffraw
>
> 2. Richard de Braose, 2nd son, of Stinton, Norfolk, d. bef 18 Jun 1292; m.
> Alice le Rus, dau. and heiress of William le Rus, of Stinton, Norfolk;
> Stradbrook, Suffolk; & c., and his wife Agatha de Clere
>
> 3. Richard de Braose, 2nd son; knight, of Stradbrook, Suffolk [grant from
his
> mother Alice, 25 Edw. I]; born before 1277 [probably of age upon grant
from
> his mother]; d. aft 12 Mar 1300/01; m. Alianore
>
> 4. Richard de Braose or de Brews, knight, of Wingfield and Brews in
> Stradbrook, Suffolk; born say 1300; d. bef 18 Oct 1361 [provision for his
> soul in will of Sir John de Wingfield of that date]
>
> 5. Alianor or Eleanor de Brews, sole [surviving ?] daughter and heiress,
born
> say 1320; m. bef 1339 [querant with John de Wingfield her husband in 11
Edw
> III, per Moriarty] to Sir John de Wingfield. Had manor of Brews in
> Stradbrook as her maritagium, and the manor of Wingfield and poss. others
as
> her inheritance [Moriarty]
>
> It would be interesting to know what property(ies) were conveyed or
> inherited through the other spouses in Generations 3 and 4 above;
however,
> when somewhat short of names, that might be asking too much.......
>
> Again, the above is certainly subject to criticism, and I hope to
here
> your views at your pleasure; however, I see no possible (i.e. reasonable)
> explanation to fit the facts, other than the above.
>
> Good luck, and good continued hunting to all.
>
> John
>
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