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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: Helen verch Llewelyn of Wales....
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:23:29 GMT
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"Chris Phillips" < > wrote in message
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> Leo van de Pas wrote:
>> Now it also turns out that the Melrose Chronicle cannot be appropriately
>> dated, giving a time span of 1230 to 1266 for the marriage of the Earl of
>> Fife to a daughter of Llewelyn of Wales, which in turn can mean that the
>> Earl of Fife had only the one wife and she married again and had more
>> children.
>
> What was said initially is that the wording of the chronicle suggests the
> marriage took place in or soon after 1228. What was said more recently is
> that it's not known when the relevant entry was written, though it was
> apparently before 1266.
>
> I don't see that this is any reason to disregard the evidence from the
> chronicle. However, I should like to see the text before deciding how well
> the inference about the date is justified.

I wonder why Richardson hasn't bothered to post this yet, since he was so
proud of being able to follow it over the 'phone and showing off that he can
translate the odd word - so far he has regaled us with his understanding of
"nepos" and "postea", and his admiration of Andrew MacEwan for having
clearly "done his homework", something that Richardson would do well to
emulate.

The facsimile edition that MacEwan told him about is _The Chronicle of
Melrose, from the Cottonian Manuscript, Faustina B. IX in the British
Museum_, with an introduction by Alan Orr Anderson & Marjorie Ogilvie
Anderson, Studies in Economics and Political Science 100 (London, 1936). The
marriage of Malcolm is related under the year 1230, and the relevant text
was written in a hand whose additions the editors in their synoptic study
date as "earlier than the last rubric of the Glasgow series" (p. lv). The
rubric in question is for 1233 (p. lxxvii), but this may have been a later
addition (p. lxxvi).

Consequently all we can be sure of is that, according to the writer, Earl
Malcolm married a daughter of Llewelyn some time after he had succeeded his
uncle, whose death & burial at Kilenross are also reported in the chronicle
under 1230.

The relevant text is as follows (p. 80):

"Obiit comes Malcolmus...Cui successit Malcolmus nepos eius filius fratris
eius qui postea duxit uxorem filiam Leulini" (Earl Malcolm died...his nephew
Malcolm, son of his brother, succeeded him, who afterwards married the
daughter of Llewelyn).

Peter Stewart



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