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From: "D. Spencer Hines" < >
Subject: ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AHNENREIHE
Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 09:50:29 -1000
Here is the second *tabula rasa* draft of my *Trente-Deux Quartiers*
Ahnenreihe for ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE. Many thanks to David Collyer and Alan
B. Wilson for their most valuable inputs and constructive comments. This
is a follow-on to my previous Ahnenreihe for Richard PLANTAGENT, Earl of
Warrick [1475-1499]. Given the earlier time frame, this one is much more
difficult to complete.
One of my goals is to identify the ancestors by something as close to their
French names as current e-mail and Internet technology permits. I cannot
use French diacritics, and that is a significant constraint. French is not
my native language and I'm sure I have committed many sins of omission and
commission. There is a taxi driver, whom I know well, who lives in Paris,
near Saint-Germain-de Pres---who would take me to task for my audacity in
even attempting such an inappropriate effort for one of "les Anglo-Saxons."
But, as I recall, Napoleon I said "toujours l'audace"---or words to that
effect---so perhaps there is hope.
In my opinion, the massaging and bowdlerizing of these French names to make
them palatable to an English-speaking clientele and readership is often
atrocious and consistently second-rate and jejune. Hence this attempt.
Comments, critiques and corrections are most welcome---including those on
the methodology, format and content of the Ahnenreihe. My comments and
queries are in brackets.
Ancestors of ELEANOR of Aquitaine Queen of England - 3 May 1997
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FIRST GENERATION
1. ELEANOR of Aquitaine Queen of England was born in 1122 in Chateau de
Belin, Guienne, France. She died on 1 Apr 1204 in Fontevrault Abbey,
Anjou, France. She has reference number Washington-753025.
[I see no requirement to muck about with her name. Eleanor of Aquitaine
she remains. Word has it that Alison Weir is preparing a new book on
Eleanor of Aquitaine, soon to be published. Can anyone speak to that
factoid?]
SECOND GENERATION
2. Guillaume VIII/X Duc d'Aquitaine was born in 1099 in Toulouse, France.
He died on 9 Apr 1137 in Saint Jacques-de-Compostelle, Spain. He was
married to Eleanor de Chatellerault.
[I'm not at all sure that I understand this VIII/X jazz. At first, I
thought it pertained to the successive Dukes of Aquitaine/Counts of
Poitou---but now I'm less certain of that. Can anyone speak to the
numbering convention and how it shreds out in practice? We should be able
to generate the names for all X of them.]
3. Eleanor de Chatellerault was born in 1103. She died after Mar 1130.
[Could she equally well be referred to as "Eleanor (Alienor) de
Rochefoucauld"--???]
THIRD GENERATION
4. Guillaume VII/IX Duc d'Aquitaine was born on 22 Oct 1071 in France.
He died on 10 Feb 1126/27. He was married to Philippa de Toulouse in 1094.
5. Philippa de Toulouse was born about 1073 in France. She died on 28 Nov
1118 in Fontevrault Abbey, Anjou, France.
[Would "Philippa de Provence" be a "proper title" as well?]
6. Aimery I de Rochefoucauld Vicomte de Chatellerhault, Vienne was born
about 1076. He died on 7 Nov 1151 in l'Abbey de Notre Dame de Noyers. He
was married to Dangereuse de l'Isle-Bouchard in 1109.
7. Dangereuse de l'Isle-Bouchard was born about 1079 in Isle-Bouchard,
France. She died after 1119.
[What a beautiful name! It trips off the tongue with 'elan vital.' How
could one not be fascinated by a woman whose Grandmother was named
"Dangereuse." I have seen it as "Dangerose" as well---but to me that
spelling does not have the same delightful panache.]
FOURTH GENERATION
8. Guido Guillaume VI\VIII Duc d'Aquitaine was born about 1020. He died
on 25 Sep 1086 in Chateau de Chize, France. He was married to Hildegarde
de Bourgogne in 1068/69.
["Guido Guillaume" is, of course, a somewhat clumsy Italian [or langue
d'oc?]/French [or langue d'oil] ragout/melange---but that is the form I
found in several sources. The form "Gui Geoffroi" does appear in some
others, including the *Grand Dictionnaire Larousse.* Which form of this
name is "better"---? Is "Gui Guillaume" "appropriate and accurate?"
9. Hildegarde de Bourgogne was born about 1050. She died after 1104.
10. Guillaume IV de Toulouse Comte de Toulouse was born in 1040. He died
in 1094 in Huesca, Spain, Killed in Action. He was married to Emma de
Mortaigne before 1067.
11. Emma de Mortaigne was born about 1042 in Mortaigne, France.
12. Boso II de la Rochefoucauld Vicomte de Chatellerhault was born about
1036. He died in 1092. He was married to Alienor de Thouars in 1075.
[What entitles him to the "la" in his name. His son is simply "Aimery I de
Rochefoucauld." Would it be improper to give Aimery I the "la" also?]
13. Alienor de Thouars was born about 1050 in Thouars, France.
14. Barthelemy de l'Isle Bouchard Seigneur de l'Isle-Bouchard was born in
1049. He was married to Gerberge.
[Another beautiful name. Not the same at all in macerated English.]
15. Gerberge was born in 1053.
FIFTH GENERATION
16. Guillaume III\V Le Grand Duc d'Aquitaine was born in 969 in Poitou,
France. He died on 31 Jan 1030 in Abbey of Saint Cyprian, England. He was
married to Agnes de Macon Comtesse de Bourgogne in 1018/19.
17. Agnes de Macon Comtesse de Bourgogne was born about 995. She died on
10 Nov 1068.
["Agnes de Macon" or "Agnes de Bougogne"----or macht's nicht, i.e., either
one?]
18. Robert I de Bourgogne Duc de Bourgogne was born about 1011. He died
on 21 Mar 1076 in Fleury-sur-Ouche. He was married to Ermengarde d'Anjou
about 1048.
19. Ermengarde d'Anjou was born about 1018. She died on 18 Mar 1076 in
Fleury-sur-Ouche.
20. Pons II de Toulouse Comte de Toulouse, Albi et Dijon was born in 990.
He died in 1060. He was married to Almodis de la Marche before 29 Jun 1053.
21. Almodis de la Marche was born about 990. She died on 16 Oct 1071.
22. Robert de Mortaigne Comte de Mortaigne/Earl of Cornwall was born
after 1040 in Normandy. He died on 8 Dec 1090. He was married to Matilda
de Montgomery before 1066.
23. Matilda de Montgomery was born about 1039. She died about 1085.
24. Hugues de Chastellerault was born about 1008. He died in 1075. He
was married to Gerberga de la Rochefoucauld.
[Now Hugh picks up an "s" in his name that the "Chatellerault" or
"Chatellerhault" do not have in later generations? Admittedly, small
spelling differences are inconsequential---no French Academy to crack the
whip---or a Noah Webster-like figure---as an orthographical magistrate.
But, the insertion of an "s" actually changes the pronounciation. Which is
"better."--??
25. Gerberga de la Rochefoucauld was born about 1012.
26. Aimery IV de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was born about 1024 in
Thouars, France. He died in 1093. He was married to Aurengarde de Mauleon.
27. Aurengarde de Mauleon was born in 1030 in Mauleon, France.
28. Archimbaud "Borel" Seigneur de l'Isle Bouchard was born in 1019 in
Isle-Bouchard, France. He died before 1084. He was married to Agnes de
l'Isle-Bouchard Dame de l'Isle Bouchard.
[What does "Borel" mean?]
29. Agnes de l'Isle-Bouchard Dame de l'Isle Bouchard was born about 1023
in Isle-Bouchard, France.
[We are missing #30 and #31, the parents of Gerberge #15. Does anyone have
information on them?]
SIXTH GENERATION
32. Guillaume II (IV) Fierebrace Duc d'Aquitaine was born in 935. He
died on 3 Feb 993 in Saint Maixent, France. He was married to Emma de
Blois about 968.
[There are various spellings for his sobriquet "Fierebrace"---I have tken
this one from the Larousse.]
33. Emma de Blois was born in 950. She died after 1003.
34. Otto I Guillaume Comte de Bourgogne was born about 955. He died on
21 Sep 1026. He was married to Ermentrude de Roucy.
35. Ermentrude de Roucy was born about 950. She died on 5 Mar 1003/4.
36. ROBERT II "le Pieux" Roi de France was born on 27 Mar 972 in Orleans,
France. He died on 20 Jul 1031 in Meulan, France. He was married to
Constance de Arles in 1003.
37. Constance de Arles was born about 974 in Arles, Toulouse, France. She
died on 25 Jul 1032 in Meulan, France.
38. Foulques III "Nerra" Comte d'Anjou was born about 970/71. He died on
21 Jun 1040 in Metz, France. He was married to Hildegarde of Lotharingia.
[Why not "Foulques III "Noir"--?? Are we dealing with an earlier form of
the French word "noir=black" here---or perhaps langue d'oc again?]
39. Hildegarde of Lotharingia was born between 964 and 974 in France. She
died on 1 Apr 1046 in Jerusalem, Holy Land.
40. Guillaume III "le Taillefer" Comte de Toulouse was born in 947. He
died in Sep 1037. He was married to Emma de Venaissin.
[Was he taking up sewing as a hobby---"The Tailor" or is this a completely
different French word--or none of the above?]
41. Emma de Venaissin was born about 949. She died after 1063.
42. Bernard I de la Marche Comte de la Marche was born about 974. He
died in 1047. He was married to Amelia de Montignac.
43. Amelia de Montignac was born about 990. She died in 1072.
44. Herluin de Conteville Vicomte de Conteville was born about 1001. He
died about 1066. He was married to Harlette de Falaise Officer of the
Household.
45. Harlette de Falaise Officer of the Household was born about 1003 in
Calvados, Normandy. She died about 1050.
[William The Conqueror's Mother. Nice crossover filiation here.]
46. Roger II de Montgomery Vicomte de Heimois was born between 1005 and
1022. He died on 27 Jul 1094 in Shrewsbury Abbey. He was married to Mabel
de Alencon-Belleme.
47. Mabel de Alencon-Belleme was born between 1015 and 1026 in Alencon,
France. She died between 1079 and 1082.
48. Boso I de Chastellerault was born about 965. He died before 1013. He
was married to Amelia.
49. Amelia was born about 970.
50. Foucauld I was born about 982. He died in 1037. He was married to
Gersinde?.
51. Gersinde? was born about 986.
52. Geoffrey II de Thouars Vicomte de Thouars was born about 980 in
Thouars, France. He died in 1043. He was married to Ainora.
53. Ainora was born about 1002.
58. Hugues de l'Isle-Bouchard. He was married.
[We are missing #54,55,56,57,59,60,61,62 and 63---plus the previous #30 and
31---for a total of 11 ancestors of Eleanor of Aquitaine---to complete the
trente-deux quartiers.]
Bonne Chance.
D. Spencer Hines---"Volkov boyat'sya v les ne khodit'"---Russian
Proverb---[If one is afraid of wolves, one should not go into the forest.]
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