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From: John Ravilious < >
Subject: Re: Gateway Ancestor, Samuel Hyde
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:26:25 -0500
Douglas Richardson wrote:
>
> The 2nd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry by Dr. David Faris is currently
> at the printers and I expect it will be available for purchase through
> NEHGS in Boston in about 30-45 days. The next book in this series is
> the forthcoming Magna Carta Ancestry under the co-authorship of Dr.
> Faris and myself. Barring major obstacles, MCA should be available for
> purchase this coming spring. We are currently in the process of
> printing and proofing the final draft. Once MCA is completed, Dr.
> Faris and I plan to turn our attention to the next book in the series,
> namely Baronial Ancestry. We're already about half finished with the
> Baronial Ancestry book. It will feature descents from all the major
> baronial families of England from the time of the Conquest forward.
>
> The Wake descent in Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, which you asked about
> is still sound as far as I know. There is no connection, by the way,
> between Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, edited by Walter Lee Sheppard,
> Jr., and the series of books Dr. Faris and I are doing. Dr. Faris and
> I have both assisted Mr. Sheppard in the past but neither of us are
> associated with him currently. I recommend you contact Mr. Sheppard
> regarding the status of future editions of that book.
>
> I trust that answers your question. Sincerely, Douglas Richardson
>
> In article <81h6nj$ou0$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "D. Spencer Hines"
> < > wrote:
> > Baldwin Wake, Lord of Bourne, appears as # 9 in Line 184A of AR7.
> > The short title for AR7 is, of course:
> > _Ancestral Roots, 7th Edition_
> > And the long title is:
> > _Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came To America
> > Before 1700; (Formerly Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who
> > Came To
> > New England Between 1623 & 1650): The Lineage of Alfred the Great,
> > Charlemagne, Malcolm of Scotland, Robert the Strong and Some of
> > Their
> > Descendants._
> > Frederick Lewis Weis (1895-1966), Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr. (1911-
> > )
> > and David Faris
> > Baltimore, Maryland, Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc., 7th
> > Edition
> > (1992); reprinted in Jan 1996; ISBN # 0-8063-1207-6.
> > This is one of those books that anyone who is serious about
> > Medieval
> > Royal and Noble Genealogy should have on the short shelf near the
> > computer.
> > AR7 is not error-free by any means, as many of us well know.
> > Line 184A has been "Prepared by Douglas Richardson". I'm not
> > taking any
> > sort of cheap shot at Douglas.
> > "Just the facts Ma'am."
> > But, can we trust this line, which leads from Baldwin Wake [d.
> > 1282] to
> > Gilbert FitzRichard [d. 1114-1117] de Clare and his wife Adeliza de
> > Clermont? Has this line been thoroughly vetted?
> > Baldwin Wake is the ancestor of many of the folks reading this,
> > whether
> > they know it or not.
> > We all look forward to the new version of AR7 forthcoming from
> > David
> > Faris and Douglas Richardson.
> > When might we expect to see it?
> > --
> > D. Spencer Hines
> > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > Sol Remedium Optimum Est. Peccatoris Justificatio Absque
> > Paenitentia,
> > Legem Destruit Moralem.
>
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Friday, November 26, 1999
As with many other participants, I am looking forward to the
upcoming edition of Plantagenet Ancestry, as well as other forthcoming
works (e.g. MCA). I do not know if the new edition of PA includes
Samuel Hyde of Newton, Massachusetts, but [unless there is a serious
flaw in the following table] his ancestry supports his inclusion.
The source abbreviations used below:
PA = Plantagenet Ancestry (1st ed.)
BR = British Roots of Maryland Families, by Robert W. Barnes
(GPS, 1999)
VC = The Visitation of Cheshire, 1580
1. Samuel Hyde, b.ca. 1610, Denton, Lancashire; m. 1630, Temperance
[Crompton ?]; d. 12 Sep 1689, Newton, Massachusetts
2. William Hyde of Denton, b. ca. 1563, d. 1640
3. Eleanor Molineux, b. 1574
4. Robert Hyde of Norbury and Hyde, Cheshire, b. 1543, d. 22 Mar 1614
[BR]
5. Ann Arderne, first wife
6. John Molineux of New Hall [BR]
7. Anna Radcliffe [BR]
8. Robert Hyde, b. ca. 1522, d. 1571
9. Jane Davenport, b. ca. 1525, d. after 1566
12. Sir Richard Molyneux of Sefton, Sheriff of Lancashire ca. 1556,
d. 3 Jan 1568/69
13. Eleanor Radcliffe
14. Richard Radcliffe of Langley, d. 1577 [BR]
15. Elizabeth Gerard, d. 1564
16. Hamnet Hyde of Norbury, d. after 1526 [BR]
17. Margaret Warren [BR]
24. Sir William Molyneux of Sefton, b. ca. 1481, d. 1548 [BR]
25. Jane Rugge, first wife
30. Sir Thomas Gerard of Kingsley and Bryn, b. 1488, k. at Berwick
7 Nov 1523 [PA, p. 113]
31. Margaret [Margery] Trafford, d. 10 May 1540 -
descendant of Edward I [PA, p. 113 - pedigree of Gerard]
34. Laurence Warren of Poynton, b. ca. 1480, d. 18 Sept 1530 [BR]
35. Margaret Leigh of Lyme [BR, VC - Leigh of Lyme, p. 153]
48. Sir Thomas Molyneux, d. after 1482 [BR]
49. Anna Dutton of Dutton [BR]
70. Sir Piers [Peter] Leigh [VC - Leigh of Lyme, p. 153]
71. Eleanor Savage
96. Sir Richard Molyneux, k. at Blore Heath, 23 Sep 1459 [BR]
97. Elizabeth Stanley [BR]
98. Thomas Dutton, Lord Dutton, k. at Blore Heath, 23 Sep 1459
99. Ann Touchet
142. John Savage [VC; PA, p. 113 - pedigree of Gerard; also other
pedigrees - Wyllys, etc.]
143. Katherine Stanley - descendant of Edward I [PA, p. 113, as above]
194. Thomas Stanley, Lord Stanley [BR; PA, p. 113] - also father of
#143, great-grandfather of #31
195. Joan Goushill - descendant of Edward I [PA, p. 113, as above] -
also mother of #143, great-grandmother of #31
198. James Touchet, Lord Audley, k. at Blore Heath 23 Sep 1459
[PA, p. 270 - pedigree of Tuchet, Lewknor]
199. Margaret de Ros - descendant of Edward I [PA, p. 270, as above]
Additional details re: the ancestry of Samuel Hyde have not been
included above, as they are fairly extensive and do not directly bear on
the issue of his descent from Edward I of England.
I would appreciate any feedback as to errors that may be noted
above, or any suggestions or comments especially concerning any other
connections of Samuel Hyde with Edward I or his descendants. If anyone
has e-mail or other contact with David Faris, please pass this along as
his comments would certainly be helpful (and appreciated).
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
John
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