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From: Reedpcgen< >
Subject: Llywelyn's daughter Margaret and the de Braose family
Date: 03 Oct 1999 03:05:21 GMT
Not having seen a reply to my query, I was able to take a moment to check some
things concerning the Braose family.
John de Braose, lord of Gower, son of William and nephew of Reginald de Braose,
was in royal custody until he came of age in January 1218, indicating a birth
year about 1197 [see CPR1216-25, p. 134].
John de Braose married Llywelyn's daughter Margaret in 1219
[see _Brut y Tywysogyon or The Chronicle of the Princes ..._ (Roll Series, v.
17: ed. Rev. John Williams ab Ithel [London, 1860], pp. 304-5) (_Brut y
Tywysogyon or The Chronicle of the Princes: Peniarth MS. 20 version_, ed.
Thomas Jones [Cardiff, 1952], p. 97) (_Brut y Tywysogyon or The Chronicle of
the Princes: Red Book of Hergest version_ [Cardiff, 1955], p. 219)].
John de Braose was killed at Bramber 16 July 1232, having been bruised in a
fall from his horse [Curia Regis Rolls, 490-1; CCR 1231-4, Hen. III, 2:86; Brut
(1860), p. 320-1; Brut (1952), p. 102; Brut (1955), p. 231].
The lands, wardship and marriage of William de Braose, son and heir of John,
was in the hands of various nobles until he came of age in 1241, indicating a
birth year of about 1220:
Peter des Riveaux was first custodian [see CCR 1231-4, Hen. III, 2:86; CPR
1225-32, Hen. III, 2:490].
Henry de Turberville was granted the lands and marriage in March 1234 [CPR
1232-47, Hen. III, 3:41, 45].
Richard Siward was granted the same in July 1234 [CPR 1232-47, Hen. III, 3:61].
Richard, Earl of Cornwall, the King's brother, was granted the custody, lands
and marriage of William de Braose in January 1234/5 until 1241, when William
came of age [CPR 1232-47, Hen. III, 3:89; CCR 1234-7, Hen. III, 3:41; CChR
1:192].
So if William de Braose, the eldest known child of Margaret verch Llywelyn, was
born about 1220, and she married John de Braose in 1219, it would seem unlikely
that she would be daughter of Joan, as she would have to be born after 1206.
But I see no reason to think Margaret was not a daughter of a concubine like
Tangwystl, mother of Gruffudd ap Llywelyn.
pcr
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