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From: "John P. Ravilious" < >
Subject: Re: de Ros/Roos of Yorkshire
Date: 20 Mar 2007 20:12:01 -0700
References: <mailman.379.1174357672.3661.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
In-Reply-To: <mailman.379.1174357672.3661.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Dear Tim,
Thanks for your query re: the de Ros family. My comments and/or
relevant documentation are interspersed below, following the
individual identifications you cited.
On Mar 19, 10:20 pm, Tim Cartmell < > wrote:
> Dear John P. Ravilious,
>
> Regarding your March 18, 2007 posting of the de Ros/Roos of Yorkshire, I also have an interest in this family as my ancestry would be through the following daughters if they are indeed proven lines.
>
> Firstly, I have in my records an Alice de Ros, who is stated as being the daughter of Everand, Baron de Ros, she was the wife of William de Percy, 3rd Baron Percy in Yorkshire. They were supposedly the parents of William de Percy, lord of Topcliffe in Yorkshire. Source, A History of the House of Percy, by Gerald Brenan, published 1902. Can this be further confirmed? Gerald Brenan's publication lacked citation of primary sources.
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I see no reference to such a marriage, and certainly see no such
Ros ancestry for the early generations of the Percy family. The third
Percy shown as holding Topcliffe was William de Perci or Percy (d.
1175), whose wife was Alice. She was, however, identified by Round as
'Adelidis de Tunbridge', citing charters of Salley Abbey in Monasticon
Anglicanum (V:512-3). Round identified her as a daughter of Gilbert
de Clare; she is identified in Complete Peerage (X:441, note, in the
Percy article) as a daughter of Richard de Clare (d. 1136) by Adeliza
of Chester. I concur in this identification in CP
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>
> Secondly, In 2005 Brendan Wilson posted to SMG that Sir Gervasius (or Geoffrey) de Lowther, Knt. of Lowther in Westmorland (mentioned 1217) married a daughter of de Ros, Baron of Kendal. Source, Pedigrees of the County Families of Yorkshire and West Riding, by Joseph Foster, published 1874. Is there any substance for this family connection?
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I see nothing in my notes about the connection. While there
certainly might be a Lowther-de Ros marriage, the chronology is a
problem as given. Margaret de Brus, sister and coheiress of the last
de Brus lord of Kendal, likely married Robert de Ros of Wark say
1240-1250, so it seems unlikely a son in law of theirs would have been
active in 1217.
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>
> Thirdly, Sir Thomas de Musgrave, Knt. of Hartley in Westmorland (d:1385) married Margaret de Ros of Youlton in Yorkshire. Could you tell me if this Margaret is descended from the Sir Alexander de Ros of Yolton, son of Sir William de Ros of Helmsley in Holderness of your post?
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This link is valid. Sir Alexander de Ros of Yolton, co. Yorks.
was succeeded by his son Sir William. Sir William's daughter and heir
was Margaret, whom you identify above.
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>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Timothy J. Cartmell
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I hope the foregoing is of use.
Cheers,
John
>
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