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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Burgundy, Gerberga, Manassas, etc.
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:01:02 -0400


Having entirely missed the origins of these ongoing discussions, I will
interject late, rather than never.

The question of the interrelationships of the early Burgundians was also
addressed by Szabolcs de Vajay, in _Annales de Bourgogne_ (hereafter AB)
34:154-69. As is typical of the author, when faced with two conflicting
versions of a relationship (in this case regarding the ancestry of
Gerberga, Queen of Italy) he develops an entirely different one. In
this case, he concludes that Gerberga was granddaughter of Letaud,
daughter of his son Othon. He shows as her other husband (sorry, but I
lost track of the order of these) the Capetian Eudes/Henry, whose other
wife was Mahaut (daughter of Lambert), whose other husband was Geoffrey,
Count of Semur, whose other wife was N de Brioude, mother of Dalmas of
Semur, who married Auremburg, daughter of Eudes/Henry and Mahaut.

Moving back a generation, He shows Mahaut, along with Hugh and Aelis,
wife of Guy I of Macon, as children of Lambert of Chalon, first husband
of Aelis de Troyes, who married Geoffrey I of Anjou as his second wife,
having only a son Maurice.

Here he again differs from ES, showing Geoffrey marrying first, the
aunt, Aelis of Vermandois, daughter of Heribert II, and by her having
Ermengarde, Fulk, and Geoffrey, and then marrying the younger Aelis de
Troyes, daughter of Robert (by Aelis-Werre, daughter of Giselbert),
having only Maurice.

(I recall Evans, in his brief review of the ancestry of William the
Conqueror pointing suggesting that the chronology here was extremely
tight, and that perhaps Aelis, mother of Ermengarde, was sister of
Robert rather than his daughter, but then Evans backed off and said that
the descent of the name Ermengarde from Gilbert's wife (or was it his
mother) seems to confirm the traditional descent through Robert.)

Confused yet? If you can hack the French, this article is probably
worth the read, but like much of Vajay's work, is a bit too speculative
to be accepted hook, line and sinker.

Also of interest to the discussion are a pair of articles by Henri de
Chizelle: "Aperc,u sur le comte de Chalon-sur-Saone au Xe siecle: A
propos de la Comtesse Aelis," in _AB_ 58:45-69, and the sequel, "Nouveax
Aperc,us sur la Succession du Comte Hughes II de Chalon-sur-Saone au XIe
Siecle" in _AB_ 60:95-109.

Here we get a more traditional pedigree:

Manassas and wife Ermengarde (called daughter of Boso) have Ermengarde,
wife of Lietaud of Macon, and Gilbert, who marries twice. By the
heiress of Hugh the Black, he has Liegard, wife of Othon (Capetian Duke
of Burgundy), while by wife Ermengarde, he has two daughters names
Aelis. The first, Aelis, marries first Lambert, having Mahaut (wife of
Geoffrey of Semur) and Gerberge (wife of Albert, King of Italy, and
Eudes/Henry, Duke of Burgundy). The second, Aelis-Werre married Robert
of Troyes and has Aelis, wife of Geoffrey of Anjou, who is mother of all
of his children (except possibly Maurice. (This is from the first. He
makes some minor adjustments in the second article, but my notes are not
up to the task.)

ta

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