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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Sancha de Ayala (comments and ahnentafeln)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 19:05:58 GMT


Having dug through my notes, I can add the following:

In a previous article, (Nat Taylor) says:

>Todd A. Farmerie ( ) has written:
>
Relevant to the Rodriguez de Lara/Giron/de Cifuentes descent presented
earlier,

Sancha Rodriguez de Lara (desc. of Alfonso VI) m. Gonzalo Ruiz Giron
Aldonza Gonzalez Giron m. Ramiro Fruelaz
Diego Ramirez Fruelaz m. Aldonza Alfonso, daughter of Alfonso IX
>> Ramiro Diaz de Cifuentes m. Teresa de Lara (unidentified)
>> Maria Ramirez de Cifuentes m. Juan Perez de Guzman
>> Juan Ramirez de Guzman m. _____ Garcia de Toledo
>> Maria Ramirez de Guzman m. Pedro Suarez de Toledo
>> Diego Gomez de Toledo m. Ines Alfonso de Ayala
>> Sancha de Ayala m. Walter Blount
>

Thus, Ramiro Diaz de Cifuentes was descended from Alfonso VI through each
of his wives/mistresses with surviving issue, Ximena Munoz, Constance of
Provence, and `Queen Elizabeth/Isabel'.

>Other lines you mentioned:
>
>> ... a provisional descent from a bastard of Garcia V of Navarre, but don't
>> recall offhand where that plugs in.
>
>I'd like to hear that one, too, if you can pin it down.

I found it. It connected to the Guevara family, but the chronology renders
it impossible.

>I didn't see any
>possible Sancha ancestors his descendants as shown in ES II/56, except
>perhaps though the sister of Garcia VI, Elvira, whose second husband was
>count Rodrigo Gomez de Manzanedo, circa 1137. Are they ancestral to
>Mafalda/Elvira, dau. of count Gomez Gonzalez de Manzanedo, who m. Pedro
>Ruiz de Guzman (fl. 1166; d. 1195)? The Manzanedo counts are very sketchy
>in GC, but Rodrigo Gomez isn't mentioned at all.
>

Correcting my earlier statement, this is a valid descent.

Ramiro Sanchez, Count of Monzon m. Christina Ruiz de Vivar
Elvira Ramirez de Navarra m2. Rodrigo Gomez de Manzanedo
Gonzalo Rodriguez de Manzanedo
Gomez Gonzalez de Manzanedo m. Mayor Manrique de Lara
Elvira Gomez de Manzanedo m. Pedro Ruiz de Guzman
Nuno Perez de Guzman m. Urraca Mendez de Sousa
Pedro Nunez de Guzman m. Urraca Garcia de Villamayor
Juan Perez de Guzman m. Maria Ramirez de Cifuentes
(on as above)

And another connection in the previous generation:

?Ramiro Garces, Infante de Navarra, m. _____ Gonzalez Salvadorez de Lara
(note traditional pedigrees, as well as some modern sources, make
the following daughter of Sancho Garces, and make Ramiro de Monzon
son of Ramiro, while ES makes Ramiro son of Sancho Garces, and the
following daughter of Ramiro, as here. I have not puzzled this out
yet, but she was definitely a granddaughter of Garcia Sanchez IV)
Estefania de Navarra m. Fruela Diaz
Ramiro Fruelaz m. Ines
Fruela Ramirez m. Urraca Gonzalez
Ramiro Fruelaz m. Aldonza Gonzalez Giron
(on as above)

and now, the moment you've all been waiting for (?):

1.Sancha de Ayala
2.Diego Gomez de Toledo (de Guzman)
3.Ines Alfonso de Ayala
4.Pedro Suarez de Toledo
5.Maria Ramirez de Guzman
6.Fernan Perez de Ayala
7.Elvira Alvarez de Ceballos
8.Fernan Gomez de Toledo
9.Teresa Vasquez
10.Juan Ramirez de Guzman
11.Teresa (?) Garcia de Toledo
12.Pedro Lopez de Ayala
13.Sancha Fernendez Barrosa
14.Diego Gutierrez de Ceballos
15.Juana Garcia Carrillo
16.Gomez Perez de Toledo
17.Orabonna Gutierrez
20.Juan Perez de Guzman
21.Maria Ramirez de Cifuentes
22.Diego Garcia de Toledo
23.Maria Garcia
24.Sancha Perez de Ayala
25.Aldonza Diaz de Velascuri (or de Velasco)
26.Fernan Perez Barrosa
27.Mencia Garcia de Sotomayor
28.Ruy Gonzalez de Ceballos
29.Maria Fernandez de Caviedes
30.Garcia Gomez Carrillo
31.Elvira Alvarez Osorio
32.?Pedro Suarez de Toledo
34.?Gutier Ermildez
40.Pedro Nunez de Guzman
41.Urraca Garcia de Villamayor
42.Ramiro Diaz de Cifuentes
43.Teresa de Lara
44.Garcia (Melendez) de Toledo
45.Ines Alfonso Vicente
48.Pedro Lopez de Ayala
49.Maria Sanz de Unza
50.?Diego Lopez de Velascuri
51.?Maria Fernandez de Rojas
52.Pedro Gomez Barrosa
53._____ Fernandez
54.Garci Mendez de Sotomayor
55.?Ines Alfonso de Saavedra
56.Gomez Diaz de Ceballos
57.Antolino de Hoz
58.Fernando de Caviedes
60.Gomez Garcia Carrillo
62.Alvar Rodriguez Osorio
63.Elvira Nunez de Astorga

I think from this point it breaks down enough that the lines would be best
presented individually, rather than in AT format, so I will stop at this
point with the ahnentafeln.

Todd

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