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From: Reedpcgen< >
Subject: Re: FitzNeel and St. Sauveur
Date: 8 Jul 1998 04:25:24 GMT
Having now read through the whole of Rev. Statham's account of the early
family, I find only ONE DOCUMENT he cites that seems to be used to infer the
connection between William FitzNigel of Chester and Nigel St. Sauveur. Statham
refers to a document printed in J. Horace Round's Calendar of Documents
Preserved in France, no. 1166, which he says "is a charter of Nigel IV himself,
dated about 1060, in which he confirms the gift of six churches in Guernsey by
his lord William, count of the Normans, free from any claim on the part of him
or his, to S. Martin, Marmoutier, and its monks. His wife Adela and their sons
Roger, William, another William and Girard, with their sisters Emma, Bilelde
and Mahildis consenting to his grant."
NOW is seems awfully STRANGE that one person, among all of the sons and
daughters who relinquished their claims, was left out--Richard FitzNigel.
There is no RIchard in that document. We know from charters that William
FitzNigel, Constable of Chester, had a brother named Richard FitzNigel, yet
there is no Richard among the children of Nigel de St. Sauveur. Statham has
added him into the family without evidence.
So at this point I believe Tait was definitely right. Nigel, father of William
and Richard, of Cheshire, cannot be the Nigel de St. Sauveur to whom they are
attributed. They may have been closely related, but how? The evidence is not
here yet, but we know what isn't. [Further, there is NO evidence that Nigel
was ever Constable of Chester or in England. Accurate accounts begin with
William FitzNigel. I'll discuss this in a later post.]
pcr
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