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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: giselbert,dux,+939><godila
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:14:48 GMT
References: <1123003442.527708.149380@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>


"wim" < > wrote in message
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> Dear group,
>
> On the internet (Mittelalter-Genealogie), I read that Giselbert,dux of
> Lotharingia,+939 had a first marriage until 928 with a certain Godila
> or Godilda (before he married Gerberga, the sister of German-roman
> emperor Otto I).
>
> Is anything more known about this first marriage or possible off-spring
> ?
>
> I try to relate to Godila of Rothenburg, who has as father Werner,+973,
> probably the brother of Renaud,+973, on whom Steven Baldwin and Peter
> Stewart were so kind to comment 3-4 months agao on this site.
>
> Could a relationship exist with the monastry of Remiremont in Southern
> Lotharingia, where Giselbert is known from the death memorial book.

There is no definite evidence that Giselbert had another wife before he
married Gerberga in 928 or 929. Most historians, including those cited and
quoted on the website you checked, do not accept that Giselbert married
twice.

The only basis for naming a previous wife is an undated charter for
Echternach abbey given by "Godilda ob amorem Dei et remedium anime domni mei
G.i ducis et anime mee" (Godilda for the love of God and for the good of the
soul of my lord Duke G[iselbert] and of my own soul).

Camille Wampach in his edition of Echternach documents placed this between
915 and 928, but there is no particular reason for the latter date except
his interpretation that by "domnus meus" Godlilda may have meant "my
husband". However, Giselbert was named as "dominus" in addition to his
relevant titles in at least one other charter, for Stavelot-Malmdy dated
927, where the question of a spouse does not arise and he subscribed with
the same formula ("Domno suo et in Christo venerabili viro illustri
Giselberto comiti et abbati...S. domnus Giselbertus comes et abba").

Peter Stewart



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