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From: Stewart Baldwin < >
Subject: Re: Count Odo/Cunegonde
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:32:00 GMT
References: <42FD03AC.7010806@mts.net> <42FD603E.50302@mts.net>


On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:48:57 +0000 (UTC), (Roger
LeBlanc) wrote:

>It took a while but I recall the thread concerning Count Udo/Odo that
>appeared in Gen-Med. It was Stewart Baldwin's detailed discussion of the
>ancestry of Heribert of Kinziggau in 2002. He concluded that without
>certainty as to their identities he was removing them from his list of
>Henry II's ancestors in the Henry Project, where I see no parents are
>shown for Heribert.

No primary source states the parentage of Heribert. The two most
widely mentioned reconstructions would either make Heribert a son of
Udo by his unnamed Vermandois wife (e.g., Eduard Hlawitschka) or would
make Heribert descend from a different branch of the family (e.g.,
Armin Wolf, Donald Jackman). I have not looked at this much in the
last year or so, but what additional reading I have done makes me lean
more toward Hlawitschka's reconstruction than I did before. If
Hlawitschka is wrong, then I would regard the addition of one more
generation between Udo and Heribert to be a more likely possibility
than the theories proposed by Wolf and Jackman, which I find very
unconvincing.

As for the original questions asked in the thread, I am unaware of any
serious controversy regarding Udo's father. The contuator of Regino's
annals, in reporting the death of Gebhard in 910, mentions his two
sons Udo and Herimann. The marriage of Udo (but not the name of his
wife) is documented by Flodoard's annals under the year 946, which
state that "Uddo" (called a brother of Herimann, thus making his
identity clear) was married to a woman who was sister of count
Arnulf's wife (clearly referring to Arnulf of Flanders) and an aunt of
bishop Hugo (clearly referring to bishop Hugh of Reims). Like Todd, I
find the arguments which would attempt to assign a name to Udo's wife
unconvincing.

Stewart Baldwin


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