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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Re: Descendants of King Stephen
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:01:12 -0500
Reedpcgen wrote:
>
> >
> >What reasons does Weis give, or what original sources and authorities does >he
> cite, to support Eustache's descent from Stephen?
>
> The descent given in AR in line 169A. It shows Eustachie de Champagne as
> daughter of Eustace IV, Count of Boulogne, by an unknown mistress, and that she
> m. (1) Geoffrey de Mandeville, Earl of Essex, but they were divorced and he
> died without issue. She then m. (2) Anselme Candavaine, Count of "Saint-Pol",
> d. 1164, by whom she had three sons, Hugh, count of St. Pol, Enguerrand, and
> Guy, and a daughter, "Beatrice Candavaine, de St. Pol" given as marrying "John
> I" Count of Ponthieu.
>
> The only source for the entire line is _The Genealogists' Magazine_, v. 15, pp.
> 186-7, which volume I am misisng.
>
> But the addendum et corrigenda of CP 14:309, says, "delete from 'said [to be
> kinswoman of Henry II]... and replace by 'probably bastard da. of Eustace IV,
> Count of Boulogne (d. 1153). Charles Evans was the author of that article, and
> usually dependable in these matters, but not infallible.
This brief note by Charles Evans basically ran as follows:
1. We have this kinswoman of Henry II known as Eustache de Champaigne
who married Mandeville and St. Pol.
2. If we look at the Champagne family, they didn't use the name Eustace
or Eustache, with the sole exception being the son of King Stephen, by
the daughter of Eustace, Count of Boulogne.
3. The unique concurrance of the name and toponym in this generations
suggests that she was an illegitimate daughter of Eustace, Stephen's
son.
Unfortunately, he does not cite anything contemporary for "de
Champagne", and the entire strength of the argument depends on this name
being authentic.
The Gouet theory was in oone of the articles in Family Trees and the
Roots of Politics, so t is not a choice between a published
identification and an internet discussion. It is a choice between an
older published suggestion by Evans, and a more recent one (I forget the
author, but it was obviously vetted by Katherine Keats-Rohan and
Christian Settipani).
ta
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