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From: Reedpcgen< >
Subject: Re: About all those Veres...
Date: 05 Jun 1998 04:08:26 GMT
>> <BR>
>> Also, I have an Isabel de<BR>
>> Vere, who married William de Aton (died 1317) - Do you know if she is a<BR>
>> member of this same family?<BR>
><BR>
>I've never seen her pinned down.<BR>
><BR>
CP 1:324 says that William Aton, of West Ayton, Yorks., married Isabel de were,
daughter of Sir Simon de Vere of Goxhill, Lincs., and Sproatley in Holderness,
Yors. Isabel was heir of her mother, Ada, 4th sister and in her issue coheir
of Roger Bertram of Mitford. Sir Simon had married previously to his union
with Ada, and by that wife had a son also named Simon, his father's heir, who
gave the manor of Bottesford, co. Lincs., to his uncle, Roger de Veer, prior of
the knights Hospitallers in 1270.
William Farrer, in his Honors and Knights' Fees 2:209, says that Joscelin held
2 1/2 car. in Scotton in 1086. Guy de Vermis held there in the Lindsey survey
(1115-18). Guy de Ver, son of Guy, held there in 1166. Guy left a daughter
and heir, Gundreda, who married Adam, son of Robert de Goushill. His son
appears to have taken the mother's surname, as Walter de Ver owed a debt to the
king in 1205, when Walter's father was described as Adam son of Robert. Walter
de Ver held one fee in Scotton in 1212, and in 1211, had levied a fine dealing
with lands of his inheritance in Sproatley, Yorks., and Goxhill, Lincs. He
died before 27 Jan. 1220, by which time his relict Sibil had become wife of
Nicholas de Chevincurt. This Walter's eldest son was named Simon. Simon de
Ver, knight, son of the said Simon, was against the king in 1265. He was
apparently dead by 1267. The grant in 1270 to his uncle Roger was made by Sir
Simon de Ver, knt., son and heir of Sir Simon de Ver, knt., son of Walter de
Ver.
Be warned that many of the printed accounts of the Bertrams of Mitford are
incorrect. CP has it right.
pcr
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