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From: Settipani < >
Subject: Re: Etiennette of Longwy - NOT!!!!
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 12:27:46 -0700
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Etienne's name is essentially found in Lyonnais and Auvergne. It can derive from
an unique gallo-Roman family, but this is not necessary since the cult the
proto-martyr St Etienne was very popular. I'm not wholly convinced that one have
to suppose another origin (i.e. papal) than his mother's name for the name of
Stephen of Burgundy. But I remain prudent neverthless.
For Etiennette's origin, several ways are possible. Szabolcs de Vajay and myself
have spent long hours to discuss it for the preparation of his paper. I shall deal
it in more detail in my forthcoming book on the Aquitanian family.
I give here only one of these possibilities:
Liedgarde of Auvergne, doubtless issued of an Etienne, is the mother of Raimond
Borel of Barcelona. Raimond Borel is the father of Berenger and Etiennette, wife
of Roger de Tosny and Garcia of Navarre.
One can suppose that Berenger is the father of (Clemence ?), wife of Henri of
Bourgogne and mother of Eudes Borel and his brother Henri. Berenger would be also
the brother of Clemence, wife of her cousin Bernard II of Bigorre. Finally,
Bernard II, father of Raimond, would be also the father of Ermensinde of Aquitaine
and our Etiennette.
Raimond, son of Etiennette, is Henri's ' congermanus ' because they are both
greatgrandsons of Raimond Borel of Barcelona. Etiennette calls her son Raimond as
her own brother, his daughter Clemence as her mother, another daughter, Guisla, as
her great-great-aunt Guisla, and probably another daughter, Sybilla from some near
relative (I dont know the origin of Sybilla's name ; M. Chaume claims that the
first Sybilla is a viscountess of Urgell, but the chart which mentions this person
is badly dated in the History of Languedoc and is much later).
CS
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