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From: John Carmi Parsons< >
Subject: Re: Owain Glyn Dwr
Date: 6 Dec 1998 09:00:57 -0800
After Edward I subdued Wales, that region was entirely subjected to English
law. This meant (among many other things) that illegitimate children lost
the rights to inherit property that they had enjoyed under Welsh law. In
other words, a bastard son of Dafydd ap Llywelyn ap Iorwerth did not pose
the same potential threat to English dominion in Wales as the legitimate
daughter of Llywelyn ap Gruffydd or the 7 daughters of Dafydd ap Gruffydd,
which is why Edward I was careful to have all these young girls (save one of
Daffydd's daughters who died in English custody in the summer of 1284) shut
up in English convents as soon as they were in his custody.
Dafydd ap Gruffydd's sons Llywelyn and Owain were imprisoned; Llywelyn died
there in 1288 and Owain was still alive in prison in 1305. It is not clear
how many of Daffydd's 9 known children were by his wife Elizabeth Ferrers.
It's possible one or both sons were illegitimate, but as the sons of the last
recognized claimant to rule Wales independently of England, they might have
been reckoned more formidable potential rebels than the descendants of Daffydd
ap Llywelyn ap Iorwerth.
John Parsons
On 6 Dec 1998, Links4two wrote:
> What nasty things did King Edward I do to the sons of the Princes of
> Gwynedd?(Besides drawing, quartering, and disemboweling Prince Dafydd ap
> Gruffydd, I mean.) I don't think he bothered all of them. In fact, Llywelyn,
> the illegitimate son of Prince Dafydd ap Llywelyn ap Iowerth served as
> Constable of Rhuddlan Castle during Edward's reign, as did his son, Cynwrig,
> after him.I'm wondering if Llywelyn and Cynwrig were left alone because Dafydd
> ap Llywelyn Fawr would have been a first cousin to Edward I (Henry III and
> Dafydd's mother, Joanna, were siblings.)Any thoughts on this?The National
> Library of Wales does have records of Cynwrig and his father Llywelyn ap Dafydd
> ap Llywelyn ap Iowerth as Constables of Rhuddlan Castle.
>
> Susan Hammond
>
>
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