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From: Don Stone < >
Subject: Re: Mary verch Reynold
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 02:56:22 -0400
Fred Armstrong wrote:
>
> I am seeking information concerning how Mary verch Reynold (also listed as
> Mary verch Reinalltop Gruffydd) is descended from John Lackland, King of
> England. I am assuming this is through John's daughter Joan's marriage to
> Llewelyn ap Iorworth, but so far I have not been able to make the
> connection. (Sorry, I do not have any dates for Mary; the only thing I have
> is that her husband, Robert ap David Lloyd, died after 1592).
Here is a connection (view in mono-spaced font):
Llywelyn ap Iorwerth the =Joan of England,
Great, Prince of North |illegitimate daughter of
Wales; b. 1173, d. 1240. |King John of England;
|-------------------d. 1237.
|
Dafydd ap Llywelyn, Prince =(mistress)
of North Wales; d. 1246. |
---------------|
|
Elise ap Iorwerth ab Owain =Annes ferch Dafydd.
Brogyntyn, Lord of Dinmael |
and Edeirnion. |
|-------------------
|
Madog ab Elise, of =
Cryniarth. |
----------------|
|
Gruffudd ap Llywelyn ap Cyn- =Efa ferch Madog.
wrig, of Cors y Gedol; |
Lancastrian adherent. |
|-------------------
|
Einion ap Gruffudd, of Cors =Tangwystl ferch
y Gedol, Merionethshire. |Rhydderch ap Ieuan
|Llwyd, of Gogerddan.
|-------------------
|
Gruffudd ab Einion, of Cors =Lowri, dau. of Tudur ap
y Gedol. (Lowri's second husb.) |Gruffudd Fychan, who was
|bro. of Welsh hero Owen
|Glendower.
|-------------------
|
Elise ap Gruffudd, Baron of =Margred ferch Jenkin ap
Gwyddelwern. |Ieuan.
---------------|
|
Rheinallt ap Gruffudd ap =Lowri ferch Elise.
Rhys, of Upper Branas. |
---------------|
|
Robert ap Dafydd Llwyd, =Mary ferch Rheinallt.
owner of Gwern y Brechtwn,
inherited from his father.
Notes:
Roberts (1993) is the principal authority for this chart. Much of this
information comes from various volumes of Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh
Genealogies. See also Curfman (1995, pp. 14-15, no. 2-4) for
generations 1 through 3.
Lloyd (1885, vol. 5, p. 138) covers generations 3 through 8.
Glenn (1896, pp. 94-5) covers the descent of Edward Foulke, 1698
immigrant to Pennsylvania, from Rheinallt ap Gruffudd; Glenn is
sometimes an unreliable reference, but the male line descent from
Robert ap Dafydd Llwyd (son-in-law of Rheinallt ap Gruffudd) to Edward
Foulke is given by Edward Foulke himself in "Edward Foulke's Narrative
of His Removal," reprinted in, for example, Jenkins (1884, pp. 32-8).
Sources:
Curfman, Robert Joseph. 1995. "The Triple Descent of John Lloyd of
London from King John of England with an Additional Descent from
Henry I." Journal of Royal & Noble Genealogy 1(1): 14-26.
Glenn, Thomas Allen. 1896. Merion in the Welsh Tract. Norristown.
(Reprinted in 1970 by Genealogical Publishing Company.)
Jenkins, Howard M. 1884. Historical Collections Relating to Gwynedd.
Philadelphia: Ferris Brothers.
Lloyd, J. Y. W. 1881-7. The History of the Princes, the Lords Marches,
and the Ancient Nobility of Powys Fadog. London: Whiting & Co.
Roberts, Gary Boyd. 1993. The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants to the
American Colonies or the United States Who Were Themselves Notable or
Left Descendants Notable in American History. Baltimore: Genealogical
Publishing Company.
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