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From: "William A. Reitwiesner" < >
Subject: Re: Joan, illigit dau of King John
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:08:47 EDT
Jim Stevens < > posted:
>>William Addams Reitwiesner wrote (in part) :
>
>> (Martha Wallenhorst) posted to soc.genealogy.medieval:
>>
>>>Joanna Fitz Roy, daughter of King John of England and wife of Llywellen
>>>fawr was the daughter of Christiana D'Arcy. After having found his
>>>daughter pregnant by someone he loathed D'Arcy rented a cottage on
>>>William de Farriers' land for her up keep. Chrisitana died when Joanna
>
>>I thought I'd seen all the stories about the mother of Joan, but this is a
>>new one on me. Do you have a more precise citation for this than "D'Arcy
>>family diary 1250ad"?
>
>OHHHHHH ! Looks like I stumbled into a messier can of worms that I first
>imagined ! For the bebefit of those of us who have never had the
>oppertunity to examine Joan's pedigree up close and personal, could someone
>please very briefly list the currently credible theories ?
The Tewkesbury Annals, when they report Joan's death, report it as follows:
Obiit domina Johanna domina Walliae, uxor Lewelini, filia regis
Johannis et reginae Clemenciae, iii kal. Aprilis.
See *Rerum Britannicarum medii aevi scriptores*, volume 36 [London, 1864],
p. 101. So for most people the question is "who was this Queen
Clemencia"? Some have guessed that Joan was a child of John by his first
wife Isabel of Gloucester, others that Clemencia was John's sister-in-law
Constance of Brittany. Others say that Clemencia, no "Queen", was
lowborn. Still others say that the Annals were completely wrong and that
Joan was John's daughter by Agatha de Ferrieres, daughter of the 3rd Earl
of Derby by Sibyl de Braiose. Those are the major theories, but no
consensus has been reached.
By the way, Joan was legitimated by rescript of Pope Honorius III dated
29 April 1226. See *Regesta Honorii Papae III*, volume III, part 2 [Roma,
1895], pp. 417-418, #5906.
For further details, see my article "The children of Joan, Princess of
North Wales" in *The Genealogist* (Association for the Promotion of
Scholarship in Genealogy), volume 1, number 1 [Spring 1980], pp. 80-95.
William Addams Reitwiesner
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