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From: Richard Borthwick < >
Subject: Re: Camville of Clifton Campville, Staffordshire
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:26:08 +0800


At 04:08 PM 27/04/99 +0800, you wrote:
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>>>(2) Where does Geoffrey de Marmion fit into the Marmion family?
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>>Not that it's authoritative by any means, but the Wallop Family shows Aubrey
>>["Albreda"], wife of William de Camvill as daughter of Geoffrey Marmion
>>(brother of Robert Marmion of Tamworth, who d. 1143), son of Roger
Marmion of
>>Tamworth Castle (d. ca. 1130), son of Robert Marmion, S. de
>>Fontenay[-le-Marmion, Calvados], Normandy, and of Tamworth, Warwick, and
>>Scrivelsby, Lincoln, by "Hadeguisa" [Hawise] who in her widowhood was a
>nun at
>>Caen in 1101.
>>
>>CP 8:505-8 shows Geoffrey "of Llanstephan" as son of the said Roger,
>possibly
>>by a daughter of Urse d'Abetot, but then shows it is possible Roger (d.
1130)
>>was son of Robert Marmion (d. c. 1106) by his wife Hawise.
>>
>>The Robert Marmion who died in 1143-4 married Milicent, who after his death
>>married Richard de Canville/Camville.
>>
>>CP 8:508, note h, states, "On chronological grounds she [Aubreye] may not
>have
>>been the da. of the Geoffrey Marmion mentioned in the text above, but was
>>doubtless his descendant."
>>
>>pcr
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R A Griffiths "the Cartulary and Muniments of the Fort Family of
Llanstephan" which appears as ch.14 in his *Conquerors and Conquered in
Medieval Wales* (Stroud & New York, 1994) pp.193-253 has a section on the
lordship of Llanstephan and the Marmion and Camville families. The picture
is much as Paul has shown it (p.199). Below is the chart given on p.199.

Roger Marmion (d.c.1130)
|
|
______|_____________________________________________________________
Robert Marmion Geoffrey Marmion
d.1143/44 oo Milisent oo Richard de Camville |
| | d.1176 |
| | |
Robert Marmion Richard de Camville |
d.c.1181 d.1191 |
|
|________
William de Camville oo Auberee
d. by 1214 |
|
Leucu, dau. of the Lord oo Geoffrey de Camville
Rhys | d.1219
|
|
William de Camville d.1260
|
|
__________________________________________|___________
Geoffrey de C d.1308 William de C
oo Matilda, dau. of
Guy de Brian
|
|
William de C d.1338

I don't know Griffiths' source for the affiliation of Leucu to the Lord
Rhys. If she was indeed the granddaughter of William de Braose it would
suggest that her mother was a dau. of a William de Braose.

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