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Subject: Re: Plantagenet Descents From Ancient Judea
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:17:16 -0700
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Hello,
Actually, a theoretical Plantagenet descent from the Kings of Judea was
proposed by Christian Settipani in his latest book. I would say that 6. - 19. (to
say the least!) are very shaky and that it is far from set in stone but there seems
nothing inherently improbable about it. I'd be interested in comments on this DFA.
Sincerely,
Kelsey J. Williams
1. Herod I the Great, King of Judea. b. c73 B.C. d. 4 B.C. m. to Mariamne, dau.
of Alexander (son of Aristobulus, King of Judea) & Alexandra (dau. of Hyrcanus II,
High Priest of the Jews). (George Wissowa [ed.], Pauly's Realencyclopadie der
Classischen Altertumswissenschaft, Supplementary Vol. 2 [Stuttgart, 1913], chart
bet. pp. 15-16).
2. Aristobulos. d. 7 B.C. m. to Berenike, dau. of Kostobar & Salome (d. c A.D.
10), dau. of Antipatros & sister of Herod. (ibid.).
3. Herod, King of Chalkis. d. A.D. 48. m. to Berenike (b. A.D. 29), dau. of
Agrippa I, King of Judea (brother of Herod of Chalkis), & Kypros, dau. of Phasael
(nephew of Herod) & Salampsio. (ibid.).
4. (Iulia). b. say A.D. 45. m. to C. Iulius Tigranes (V), King of Armenia (d.
aft. A.D. 62). (ibid.; Christian Settipani, Continuité gentilice et continuité
familiale dans les familles
sénatoriales romaines: mythe et réalité [2000], p. 456).
5. C. Iulius Alexander, King in Cilicia. d. aft. c105. m. to Iotape, dau. of
Antiochos IV, King of Commagne & Iotape. (Pauly-Wissowa; Settipani, pp. 448, 458).
6. (Iulia). m. to C. Iulius Quadratus Bassus, suf. 105, leg. Dacia 117. d. 117.
(Settipani, p. 458).
7. (Iulia Quadratilla). m. to C. Iulius Lupus T. Vibius Varus Laevillus, quaest
As. 132. (ibid., p. 458).
8. (A. Iulis). (ibid., p. 458).
9. (Iulia Qaudratilla). m. to (C. Asinius Nicomachus). (ibid., p. 189).
10. C. Asinius Protimus Quadratus, suf. c.200, procos. Ach. c211. d. aft. 235.
(ibid., p. 189).
11. C. Asinius Nicomachus Iulianus, suf. c215/20, procos. As. c230. (ibid., p.
189),
12. (Asinia Iuliana). m. to (Anicius Faustus). (ibid., p. 432).
13. Anicius Faustus, consul 298. d. aft. 300. m. to (Amnia) Demetrias. (ibid.,
p. 432).
14. Amnius Anicius Iulianus, consul 322. d. aft. 329. m. to (Caesonia Manilia).
(ibid., p. 432).
15. Amnius Manius Caesonius Nicomachus Anicius Paulinus, consil 334. m. to
(Auchenia Bassa). (ibid., p. 432).
16. Anicius Auchenius Bassus. d. aft. 385. m. to Turrania Honorata. (ibid., p.
432).
17. Turrania Anicia Iuliana. m. to Q. Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius, consul 379.
(ibid., p. 432).
18. (Anicia). m. to Pontius. (Christian Settipani, Les Ancestres de Charlemagne
[Paris: Editions Christian, 1989], p. 172).
19. Adelphius or Hermogenianus. (ibid., p. 172).
20. Ruricius, Bishop of Limoges, c.485-507. A descendant of the Anicii. (ibid.,
p. 172).
21. (dau.). m. to Rusticius, Bishop of Lyons, 494-501. (ibid., p. 127).
22. Artemia. m. to Florentinus, Bishop of Geneva, 513. (ibid., p. 111).
23. (dau.). m. to Munderic, pretender to the Austrasian throne, c.532. (ibid.,
pp. 95-96).
24. Mummolin, poss. Mayor of the Palace of Neustria, 566. m. to the sister of
Aunulf, Duke of Angouleme. (ibid., pp. 79-80).
25. Bodogisel, ambassador to Byzantium, 589. m. to Chrodoare (St. Oda), abbess of
Amay, aft. 589-bef. 634. (ibid., pp. 63-65).
26. Saint Arnulf, Bishop of Metz, 614-629. m. to Doda. (ibid., pp. 43-48).
27. Ansegisel, fl. 648. m. to Begga, Abbess of Andenne, who d. 693. (ibid., pp.
31-33).
28. Pepin of Herstal, Mayor of the Palace, 688/90-714. m. to Alpaide. (ibid., pp.
22-25).
29. Charles Martel, Duke of the Franks, 717-741. m. to Rotrude. (ibid., pp.
18-20).
30. Pepin the Short, King of the Franks, 751-768. m. to Bertha of Laon. (ibid.,
pp. 15-17).
31. Carolus Magnus (Charlemagne), King of the Franks, Emperor of the West. b. 2
Apr 748. d. 28 Jan 814 at the palace of Aix-la-Chapelle. m. to bef. 30 Apr 771 to
Hildegardis, dau. of Gerold I, Count in Vinzgau & Imma, dau. of the german Duke
Hnabi. (Christian Settipani, La Prehistoire des Capetiens, 481-987, Premiere
Partie [Villeneuve d'Ascq, 1993], p. 191-204).
32. Hludovic (Louis) I, Emperor of the West, 814-840. m. to Judith, dau. of Welf,
778-840. (ibid., table 5).
33. Carolus II, Emperor of the West. m. to Ermentrudis, dau. of Odo of Orleans.
(ibid., table 7).
34. Hludovic II, King of the Franks. m. to Adelais. (ibid., table 7).
35. Carolus III, King of the Franks, 896-897. m. to Edgiva of Wessex. (ibid.,
table 7).
36. Hludovic IV, King of the Franks, 936. m. to Gerberga of Saxony. (ibid., table
7).
37. Mathildis. m. to Conrad II the Peaceful, King of Burgundy (b. 943, d.
c981-92). (ibid., table 7).
38. Bertha. m. c983 to Odo I, Comte de Blois, who d. 12 Mar 996. (Isenburg &
Loringhoven (ed.), Europaische Stammtafeln, Bnd. II, Tafel 42).
39. Odo II, Comte de Champagne. b. c990. d. 15 Nov 1037. m. c1010 to Irmgard
d'Auvergne. (ibid., II: 42).
40. Theobald III, Comte de Champagne. b. c1010. d. 1089. m. to Garsende de
Maine. (ibid., II: 42).
41. Stephen II, Comte de Blois. b. c1045. d. 13 Jul 1102. m. 1080 to Adele, dau.
of William the Conqueror. (ibid., II: 42).
42. Theobald IV, Comte de Champagne. d. Jan 1152. m. 1123 to Matilda, dau. of
Engelbert II, Herzog von Karnten. (ibid., II: 42).
43. Henri I, Comte de Champagne. b. c1126. d. 16 Mar 1181. m. 1164 to Marie,
dau. of Louis VII, King of France. (ibid., II: 42).
44. Theobald III, Comte de Champagne. b. 1176. d. 24 May 1201. m. 1195 to
Blanche, Queen of Navarre. (ibid., II: 43).
45. Theobald I, Roy de Navarre. b. 1201. d. 8 Jul 1253, m. Mar 1232 to
Marguerite, dau. of Archambaud VIII, Seigneur de Bourbon. (ibid., II: 43).
46. Henri I, Roy de Navarre. d. 22 Jul 1274. m. 1269 to Blanche, dau. of Robert,
Comte d'Artois. (ibid., II: 43).
47. Joan de Navarre. b. 1271. d. 2 Apr 1304. m. 16 Aug 1284 to Philippe IV le
Bel, Roi de France. (ibid., II: 15).
48. Isabelle de France. b. 1292. d. 27 Aug 1357. m. 25 Jan 1308 to Edward II,
King of England. (ibid., II: 15).
49. EDWARD III, KING OF ENGLAND. b. 13 Nov 1312 at Windsor Castle. d. 1 Jun 1377
at the manor of Shene & bu. in Westminster Abbey.
> Cecil Roth was the standard authority on this period when I was an
> undergraduate (I wrote a research paper for Clive Holmes at Cornell on
> the readmission of the Jews to England in the 17th century). I don't
> know about more recent scholarship; haven't thought about the subject
> in years.
>
> And, no, there are no Plantagenet descents (or descents of anyone
> else) from ancient Judaea. All "existing" are medieval forgeries by
> people who thought it would be Really Neat to link their patron's
> family to the Biblical era.
>
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