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Subject: Re: Braose - Wingfield Connection
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:03:37 EST
Sunday, 4 November, 2001
Hello Cris, Doug, Todd, Louise (in absentia) et al.,
I am still prowling through my notes. The specific citation (date etc.)
for Moriarty (I think 1947) I have not found; perhaps another of the group
might have this to hand?
The notes I have relocated are the following:
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
[From Jocelyn Wingfield, of London]
A. re: Eleanor or Alianor 'de Glanvyle' [sic],
"Inherited 69 acres Wingfield Hall from De Brews"
B. re: inheritance of Katherine Wingfield, daughter of Eleanor ,
"Left by Father : Fressingfield Hall, Hoxne, Stradbrooke, Tyleham, Hurds
Hall, Saxmundham. Brought 3 if not 4 Wingfield manors to husband."
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
There was a family named Brews or Brewes associated with Fressingfield in
the 15th century, but other than tantalising this proves little.
However, the reference to Stradbrooke is extremely valuable. More
likely, Stradbrooke was a property not of Sir John Wingfield (except de jure
uxoris), but rather of his wife Eleanor or Alianor - I have seen no reference
to it being associated with the Wingfield family before this.
Paul MacKenzie had a detailed post on SGM on 5 Feb 1999, regarding
primarily issues re: the Longespee family, which touched on the Brews/Breus
family - Alice le Rus, widow of Richard Longespee, was secondly the wife of
Sir Richard de Braose of Stinton (d.ca. 1292). As part of his post, Paul
cited a fine of 1272, as follows:
'1272
A fine Hen 56 No. 70, between Richard de Breous and Alice his wife, and John
Giffard and Maltida [sic] his wife, as to the manors of Akenham, Whitingham,
Brumleigh, Stradbrok, Clopton, Asketon, Stynton, Lubure, and Syvelyngton in
cos. Suffolk, York, Lincoln, Norfolk and Surrey. They are the right of
Alice; and Richard and Alice grant Asketon and Stinton to John Giffard and
wife, for life of the said Maltida [sic].
De Braose Family, D.G.C. Elwes '
The subsequent history of Stinton in the de Braose family is familiar (at
least for the next few generations). However, the inclusion of Stradbrooke
[Stradbrok in the text above] as a property of Sir Richard de Braose's wife
makes it evident, this must have been a property which became that of a
younger son - in this case, apparently, Richard, younger son of Richard and
Alice.
Stradbrooke (the 'modern' village) stands approx. 2 miles south-east of
Wingfield College - the property being given for the foundation of the
college ca. 1362 by Sir John Wingfield. The mere geographical proximity
without other details again proves nothing, but the connection provided by
Paul MacKenzie and Jocelyn Wingfield supports one of the two hypotheses:
1. Either the de Braose or de Brews connection to Alianor, wife of Sir John
Wingfield, is as Moriarty surmised, or
2. Perhaps the mysterious Gilbert de Glanville did exist, and he acquired
Stradbrooke, and other properties, from a de Braose heiress.
Further progress on the issue, I think, hinges on location of the
Moriarty text. Hopefully, I can find same later this week, or someone else
will be luckier in the meantime.........?
Hope this helps (somewhat).
Good luck, and good hunting to us all.
John
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