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From: "Peter Stewart" < >
Subject: Re: Faramus of Boulonge and Richard de Lucy
Date: 28 Jul 2005 23:02:10 -0700
References: <1122613035.362377.197770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1122615976.584381.186890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>


Douglas Richardson wrote:

<snip>

> Faramus of Boulogne first appears in the records in 1130, when he was
> indebted £20 to the Exchequer "pro placitis terre sua tenet et ut
> habeat terram suam quam Noverca sua tenet." [Reference: Pipe Roll of 31
> Henry I, A.D. 1130].

<snip>

> Richard de Lucy appears to have been the eldest son and heir of his
> mother, Aveline. As we see above, his mother, Aveline, was still
> living in 1131. Besides Richard de Lucy, Aveline had younger sons,
> Walter and probably Robert, and a probable daughter, Margaret.
>
> Faramus of Boulogne, on the other hand, had a step-mother ("noverca")
> who presumably just died in 1130.

Eh? The pipe roll as quoted above clearly implies that she was still
alive - "tenet" is present tense, and if she was currently holding
lands at the time of the 1130 entry then she wasn't dead. The suit of
Faramus that he might hold her estate would presuambly have other
reasons behind it. Unless you have some better evidence that his
step-mother wasn't Avelina, who was still living in 1131, the case is
yet to be made out that Faramus could not have been a uterine
half-brother of Richard de Lucy.

Peter Stewart



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