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From: Cristopher Nash < >
Subject: Re: CP XIV: Brian fitz Alan
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:36:30 +0100


>In CP XIV:324 there is an important correction to note (d) in CP V:393
>based on two works by C T Clay which which seems to have the effect of
>disconnecting the Fitz Alans of Bedale from the family of the duke of
>Brittany. But the entry in CP XIV goes on to remark that Brian was living
>in 1242. I think this has to be a printing error for 1142. Any comments?

Richard -- Not having XIV in front of me, a bit confused about this, since
CP had accepted this old argument of the first of the Clays for over half a
century (see X, 781n, which as I recall is pubd 1945). Perhaps the
confirmation of the earlier C.T.Clay argument [Early Yorkshire Charters, V,
pt 2, 196-227 (espec.the alternative genealogy, 200-205) & Yorks Arch
Journ. vol. 30 (1930-1), 281-90] in a 1973 publication by Sir Charles Clay
[Early Yorks Families (York Arch Soc Series, vol. 135 [1973]), 27]
convinced the ed. of CP XIV that the thing ought to be underlined. About
the 1242 date gaffe - a puzzle. But Brian FitzAlan the grandson of Brian
son of Scolland (and not s. of Alan, Count of Brittany) - is commonly given
as having d. 1242 - perhaps the apparent slip is owing to an inadvertent
omission of 2 generations in a line or two. Seen worse, no? (At least
this one had the advantage of being obvious.) <?-/)

Cris

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