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From: Reedpcgen< >
Subject: Re: Gilbert son of Roger fitz Reinfred
Date: 23 Jun 1999 08:27:28 GMT
[John Sharp wrote:]
>
>The following investigation has led me far from the theory I set out
>to prove. So I am posting what I have found in case it may help
>somebody else, but what would help me is if somebody would show
>that I am wrong.
[snip]
I cannot see that you are wrong on any of your points, John.
Gilbert fitz Reinfrid, son of Roger fitz Reinfrid, was given to wife Helewise,
daughter and heir of William de Lancaster, 2nd baron of Kendal. She was
apparently young at the grant, and the marriage was not consummated until 1189
or shortly thereafter.
VCH Lancs. 1:361 does indeed state that Gilbert was son of Roger fitz Reinfrid
by a first wife, Roheise or Hawise, daughter of William de Romare, and widow of
Gilbert de Gant, Earl of Lincoln, citing Farrer's Lancaster Pipe Rolls, 395-6,
and Meyers, Guillaume le Marechal, 2:338.
The Farrer citation says nothing about Gilbert's mother. It is the charter by
which the king granted the marriage of William de Lancaster's daughter to
Gilbert, so I guess Meyer must be the source of the erroneous statement, though
I am not certain if it originated there.
Rohaise, wife of Gilbert de Gant, was actually a de Clare, daughter of Richard
Fitz Gilbert, Earl of Hertford, by his wife Adeliza of Chester.
After his death, she did not marry Gilbert fitz Reinfred. She married Robert,
the sewer of William Percy, by whom she had two daughters, Margaret, wife of
William de Kyme (she d. s. p. ante 1184) and Rohesia, wife of Simon de Kyme,
mother of Philip de Kyme. [see Early Yorkshire Charters, 2:195, 433, 434-6,
9:8, and 11:92, 101-2.
Those interested will find numerous entries for Gilbert Fitz Reinfrid,
Helewise, and Roger Fitz Reinfrid in William Farrer's _Records relating to the
barony of Kendale_, ed. by John F. Curwen, being vols. 4 and 5 of the Record
Series of the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archaeological Society
(1923, 1924).
pcr
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