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From: Leo van de Pas< >
Subject: RE: Stonors/de la Poles/Forsters
Date: 17 Nov 1998 21:22:52 -0800
Hope this helps :
"The night before that he was yolden (yielded himself up in surrender to
the Franco-Scottish forces of Joan of Arc on 12 June 1429) he laye in bed
with a Nonne whom he toke out of holy prefession and defouled, whose name
was Malyne de Cay, by whom he gate a daughter, nowe married to Stonard of
Oxonfordshire".
Hist. MSS Com. 3rd Rep., pp 279-280
William de La Pole, 1st Duke of Suffolk, born 16 October 1396 Cotton,
Suffolk, murdered 2 May 1450, marriage contract 11 November 1430 to Alice
Chaucer (Geoffrey Chaucer's granddaughter) they had a son and a daughter,
Anne and John.
By Malyne de Cay he had a daughter, Jane, presumably born nine months after
12 June 1429.
All I have is :
Jane de La Pole married Thomas Stonor, I have no dates for them but they
had two children:
1.Sir William Stonor
died 1494
married (1) Elizabeth Ryche
married (2) Agnes Wydeslade
married (3) Lady Anne Nevill, daughter of John Nevill,
1st Marquess of Montagu, and Isabel Ingoldesthorpe
2.Alice Stonor
married Sir Humphrey Forster, of Harpden
he was born circa 1458 died 20 November 1500
Any corrections and additions also by me gratefully accepted.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
At 12:33 PM 11/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>> I'm trying to sort out this genealogy. I guess I'll start from the top.
>> One Joan de la Pole I found listed (with reference to Faris' Plantagenet
>> Ancestry, which I don't have access to, unfortunately) on the Internet as
>> a
>> daughter of William Duke of Suffolk (c.1395-1450) and wife of Thomas
>> Stonor. I
>> have a note on a Thomas Stonor, d. 3 May 1440, an MP. Faris seems to give
>> one
>> Sir William Stonor d.21 May 1484 as Thomas and Joan's son.
>> Some uncited internet sites give Sir William a sister, Alice, who married
>> Humphrey Forster (1458-1500). But one reference makes Alice the daughter
>> of
>> Thomas Stonor and Alice Kirby.
>>
>I retrieved my copy of THE STONOR LETTERS AND PAPERS, and it says
>this:
>
>> Question 1) Is Joan the daughter of Alice Chaucer? She could be, judging
>> by
>> the dates, assuming that Sir William and Alice were born in the 1460s. If
>> not,
>> who was her mother?
>>
>In the Visitation of Oxfordshire, p. 143, Thomas Stonor is said to
>have married a natural daughter of William de la Pole. On 11 May 1453,
>Joan, wife of Thomas Stonor, born in Normandy and dwelling in England from
>the time of her marriage, had letters of denization -- Cal. Pat. Rolls,
>Henry VI, vi, 70. [Note, William de la Pole served in France from 1417 to
>1430, therefore had the opportunity to father a natural child in Normandy.]
>Joan/Jane's will is dated 13 April 1493, proved 16 Nov 1494, PCC Vox 16.
>
>> Question 2) Are there 2 Thomas Stonors? The MP seems to be the wrong
>> generation.
>Yes, father and son.
>
>> Question 3) Who are Alice Stonor's parents?
>Alice is Sir William Stonor's aunt, not his sister. She was the
>daughter of Thomas Stonor and Alice Kirby, married Humphrey Forster, etc.,
>etc.
>
>
>Sir William Stonor married three times:
>
>1)In the summer of 1475: Elizabeth Croke, widow of Thomas
>Ryche. She had issue by Ryche -- Katherine, Jane, Anne, and John -- but no
>children by Stonor.
>Katherine married Thomas Betson, and his delightful letters to her are
>reprinted occasionally in histories of this period.
>
>2)Early in 1480: Anges Wynard, widow of a son of Richard
>Wydeslade. Agnes died 4 May 1481. Also childless.
>
>3)Autumn 1480: Anne Neville, daughter of John, Marquis of
>Montagu. Anne died before 5 Nov 1486.
>Children:
>1.John Stonor, (August 1482 - 1498?)
>m. Mary Fortescue
>Childless.
>2.Anne Stonor, (? - 1518) m. Sir
>Adrian Fortescue
>Children:
>Margaret, m. Thomas
>Wentworth
>Frances, m. Thomas
>Fitzgerald
>
>Sir William Stonor died 21 May 1494. His will was dated 11 April 1489.
>
>A. Sharp
>
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