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From: "Chris Phillips" < >
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Elizabeth de Lisle, wife of Edmund Peverel
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:12:07 +0100
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CED wrote:
> Finally we get a version of the IPM. Would that DR had done this
> earlier.
>
> However, we have only DR's interpretation of the IPMs in question; and
> we have only his statement that there was a conflation of two women
> named Alice de Lisle. Even so, with DR's interpretation, more than one
> conclusion is possible. Still too many unsupported assertions. The
> proof is not there.
Douglas Richardson's summary of the IPM jogged my memory and I've dug out my
old notes on Alice Peverel. It really is impossible for the Alice, widow of
Robert Peverel, who died in 1349 to be the same as the Alice de Lisle who
was the wife of Thomas de Seymour circa 1340 (CP cites Cal. Close Rolls
1339-41, p. 274).
It's clearly impossible for the Thomas Seymour who died in 1358 to be the
first of two husbands of a woman who died in 1349.
Nor can it be a different Thomas de Seymour, as Alice the widow of Robert
Peverel was already the wife of Thomas de Verdon by 1329, and he was still
alive, holding half a fee in [Castle] Ashby and Grendon, in 1346 [VCH vol.
4, p.233 - copy courtesy of Rosie Bevan].
So this is a definite blunder by CP.
Chris Phillips
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