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From: Nat Taylor < >
Subject: Re: Parentage of Hildebrante (Liegarde), wife of Herbert II
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:52:13 GMT


In article <v02120d00acbf92a6ebc9@[136.152.71.59]>, GEN-MEDIEVAL
< > wrote:

>
> It would seem that it was Robert's first wife, Adele (or
> something like that), not Beatrix, who was Hildebrante's mother,
> but the critical connection between this Adele and Robert I
> relies on Stuart's line 259 which I have not independently
> confirmed.

You are correct. This was a double marriage alliance concluded between
King Robert and Herbert II of Vermandois; Robert was married to Beatrice
"in or by the late 890's" (Andrew W. Lewis, _Royal Succession in Capetian
France (Harvard, 1981), p. 11); Herbert II had married Robert's daughter
by 907 (ibid.). This double alliance strengthened the relationship of the
two houses; the Vermandois counts had previously supported the
Carolingians (Charles the Simple) against king Odo; but in 922 Vermandois
supported Robert's succesful bid for the throne. See also Jean Dunbabbin,
_France in the Making, 843-1180 (Oxford, 1985), p. 95.

Robert's first wife was as much a daughter of Louis the Pious as I am.
She would have had to be at least 26 years Robert's senior, and to have
borne children while over 50. Stuart's sources as mentioned do not
inspire confidence, but this is hardly a surprise (sorry, Moriarty).

Nat Taylor

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