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From: Jared Olar < >
Subject: Re: New Dark Age Britain Book
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:46:30 -0500
In-Reply-To: <13960416012331/0005382259D40X4@MCIMAIL.COM>
On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Nancy Lauer wrote:
> Jared,
>
> I appreciate the offer -- the line goes like this:
>
> Ida I , King of Bernicia m. Bearnach
The Venerable Bede said that King Ida began to reign in 547 A.D. As for
the name of Ida's wife and descendants, Searle's ANGLO-SAXON KINGS, BISHOPS,
AND NOBLES confirms the Bernician pedigree you show here.
> Ethelric, King of Bernicia
> Ethelfrith, King of Bernicia m. Acha of Diera
> Eanfrith, King of Bernicia m. a princess of the Picts
> Domnall m. sister of Talorcan, King of the Picts
> Garnard, King of the Picts
The Pictish pedigree you have here is quite correct. Eanfrith fled to
the Picts, where he married an Pictish heiress and sired at least two
children, King Talorg or Talorcan, and a daughter who married a
certain man named Domhnall, thereby becoming the mother of King
Garnard or Gartnaich mac Domhnall. Hector Munro Chadwick has a lot of great
stuff in EARLY SCOTLAND. He and/or others suggest that Domhnall is none
other than the Scottish king *Domhnall Breac*, which is chronologically
plausible but, I fear, unverifiable.
> Spondana m. Eochaid II, King of the Scots
In Hector Boece's CHRONICLE OF SCOTLAND (written in the 1500's A.D. and
full of a humongous gob of legend and fiction) says that a Scottish king
named "Eugenius" married a Pictish princess named "Spondana, daughter of
Garnardus, King of the Picts." I do not know if any earlier sources
provide the name Spondana or the name of Eochaidh/Eugenius'
father-in-law. I've seen a more recent hypothesis which proposes a
different ancestry for Eochaidh's wife. Whoever her father really
was--and Gartnaich mac Domhnall seems chronologically acceptable--we know
she was Pictish, because she and Eochaidh had a son named ALPIN, a
Pictish name--and this Alpin ruled over both his father's people (Scots)
and his mother's people (Picts).
> Eochaid III
> Aodh
Also called Aedh, "Aedh Fionn"--the White.
> Eochaid IV, King of the Scots m. Urgusia or Fergusa
This is the traditional name of Eochaidh's Pictish wife. Again, because
Alpin is a Picitish name, and Kenneth MacAlpin successfully asserted a
right to the Pictish throne, we know that his mother must have been
Pictish. Hector Boece says she was named "Fergusiana, sister of Hungus,
King of the Picts." This means she was daughter of a man named Uirguist or
Fergus, since King Hungus or Aenghus was the son of a Uirguist or
Fergus. (It has been suggested that Fergus the same as Aedh Fionn's
brother of the same name, but again, that is not verifiable.)
> Alpine, King of Kintyre, Crowned King of the Scots 844
> Kenneth I MacAlpine
> Constantine I
> Donald IV
> Malcolm I
> Kenneth II
> Malcolm II
> Bethoc <Beatrice> m. Crinan, the Thane
> Duncan I, King of Scotland m. Sibyl of Northumberland
> Malculm III, King of Scotland m. Margaret of England
> David I, King of Scotland m. Maud, of Northumberland
> Henry, Prince of Scotland m. Ada/Adelaide de Warren
> Margaret of Scotland m. Alan, Load of Galloway
> Devorgilla of Galloway m. John de Balliol in 1233
> Alianora m. Sir john Comyn, Load of Badenock, c. 1279/83
> John Comyn m. Joan de Valence
> William Comyn ---
>
> My husband's MacCubbin line is supposed to descend from William Comyn.
>
> Any help you can provide to prove or disprove the above is most welcome and
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy
>
The remainder of the pedigree looks pretty accurate (though I don't have
my records in front of me--I'm relying on memory).
Other books you might find interesting:
Anderson's EARLY SOURCES OF SCOTTISH HISTORY.
William F. Skene's CELTIC SCOTLAND, and CHRONICLES OF THE PICTS,
CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTS, AND OTHER EARLY MEMORIALS OF SCOTTISH HISTORY.
There are also many more recent monographs and histories, but memory (and
time) fails me.
Jared Olar
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