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From: Richard Borthwick< >
Subject: Re: de Lucy
Date: 18 Sep 1998 03:51:58 -0700


At 09:28 AM 18/09/98 +0800, you wrote:
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>>Does anyone have any information on the de Lucy family? I have three Maud
>>de Lucys, but I do not know how they are related:
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>>Maud de Lucy, daughter of Thomas de Lucy and Mary de Multon. Maud married
>>Henry Percy (1341 - 1408). Children?
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>>Maud de Lucy, married Gilbert de Umfreville, Earl of Angus (died 1381).
>>Children?
These two Mauds were one and the same. Her first husband was Gilbert (and
his second wife) and her second was Henry first earl of Northumberland (and
was his second wife). Maud dsp.[CP I:150, VIII:254, IX:712]. The Lucy family
to which she belonged was the Lucy of Egremont (Cumberland). It is thought
this family was closely related to the Lucy of Diss (Norfolk)but the nature
of the connection is not known [but see CP VIII:247 note (c)]. The son of
Gilbert, Robert, was by Gilbert's first wife and Robert dvp and sp. The
Umfreville descent was through earl Gilbert's brother, Thomas [CP I:150-151].

>>Maud de Lucy, daughter of Richard de Lucy, married Walter FitzRobert de
>>Clare (died 1198). They were the parents of Robert and Alice.
Maud de Lucy received Diss. Her brother Geoffrey (I) dvp and his son,
Richard, succeeded his grandfather, Richard the justiciar. Geoffrey (I) also
had a daughter Rohese and she succeeded her brother Richard. Geoffrey (II)
was a son of Geoffrey (I) but was either by another marriage or
illegitimate. In any case the Lucy family of Newington descends from
Geoffrey (II) [CP VIII:257-263, see 257 note (c)]. Rohese de Lucy married
John de Dover (d.about 1194) lord of Chilham, Kent [Sanders, 111].

An interesting sidelight. Alice, another dau. of Richard de Lucy of Diss
(the justiciar) m. Odinel (II) de Umfreville (d.1182) of Prudhoe,
Northumberland.This pair were the ancestors of Gilbert who m. Maud de Lucy
(of the Egremont family). [Sanders, 73].

>>Sorry, I have not dates on any of these Mauds, and I have no further
>>information on their parentage.
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>>Thank you.
>>
>>Benjamin
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