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From: Richard Borthwick< >
Subject: Re: Link between Charlemagne and Holy Roman Empire
Date: 28 Feb 1998 18:56:52 -0800
At 06:12 PM 28/02/98 -0500, you wrote:
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>I do wish Sheppard hadn't done this. This traditional link is, as far
>as I know, entirely unsupported (it was probably invented as a
>justification for the Saxon dynasty "inheriting" the royal and imperial
>titles). The vast majority of modern sources show Hedwig as daughter of
>a Henry, and there seems to be a developing concensus that this Henry
>was the Popponid (Babenberger) Duke of Thuringia. Several recent
>authors (including Settipani and Keats-Rohan) have accepted the
>identification of Henry's wife as Ingeltrude, sister of Emperor Berenger
>I.
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>taf
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Does Settipani deal with the Ingeltrude/Henry marriage in his *Prehistoire*
work or elswhere? Also a similar question about where K-R deals with the
question. I would dearly love to see the arguments for the marriage and that
Hathui/Hedwig was also dau. of Ingeltude (and not some other possible
spouse). I have no problem accepting Hathui as the dau. of Henry
(probabalistic in character though the argument is). The only information I
have on the possibility of and Ingeltrude/Henry marriage is the discussion
by K F Werner in his *Die Nachkommen Karls des Grossen* 452 #25. K A
Eckhardt *Genealogische Funde zur allgemeinen Geschichte* (1963) p.49f seems
to be the initiator of this theory.
Eckhardt (according to Werner) bases this on two sources.
(1) on an entry in the Confraternity Book of Reichenau abbey where a pair
Heimirich and Engiltrud are named.
(2) Agius in his *Vita Hathumodae* indicates that a brother of Hathumoda had
as wife 'regum neptem'.
Otto duke of Saxony was a brother of Hathumoda (d.874, Abbess of Gandesheim)
and Hathui was his wife. Hathumoda's other known brother was Bruno (d.880)
duke of Saxony. If Otto was the brother referred to then Hathui was a niece
(neptis) of a king. An Engiltrud/Ingeltrud (b.837/40 d. after 2 Apr 870) was
a sister of the emperor Berengar I (as Todd has noted) and thus a dau. of
Gisla dau. Louis the Pious. So if The Engeltrud mentioned in (1) is
identical with Berengar's sister and if Otto is the brother of Huthumoda
being referred to in (2) then Hathui would indeed be the niece of the
emperor Berengar. There may be more to the story than this since Werner's
work. The theory is ingenious (like many of Eckhardt's theories) but Werner
seems to have chronological doubts and does not indicate a spouse for
Ingeltrud. I would be most interested to hear more about this.
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