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From: Don Stone< >
Subject: Re: Swynford Family
Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:09:18 -0700
This is a follow-up on my suspicions of the generation gap between
Thomas Pauncefote and Margaret Swynford, ancestors (according to Leo van
de Pas) of Lady Diana and perhaps Prince Charles. I gave the following
data in my original post (copied from R. E. G. Cole's article on
Kettlethorpe):
> 3. Thomas Swynford, knt., aged 26 in 1432; d. bef. 1440; m. bef 1428,
> Elizabeth, dau. of Sir Wm. Beauchamp of Powick. Their son
>
> 4. Thomas Swynford, knt.; b. 1435; of Hanworth, co. Mid., when he
> released Kettlethorpe to his father's half-brother William Swynford in
> 1465. He had two children, Thomas Swynford, son and heir, who d. an
> unmarried minor in 1498, and Margaret Swynford, her brother's heir,
> who m. Thomas Paunsfote.
I now think that Cole probably put Margaret one generation too late, and
that she was the daughter of Thomas (3) above rather than Thomas (4).
Thomas (3) Swynford's half-brother William married Beatrice, who
survived her first husband and later married Richard Wodroff; she died
in 1516, and her IPM is the basis for Cole's placement of Margaret
Swynford in the family tree. Quoting from Cole (p. 65): [Beatrice] died
7th February, 1516, when the inquisition found that she held the manor
and advowson of Kettlethorpe, held of the Bishop of Lincoln, settled on
her for life, with remainder to Thomas Swynford and his heirs by fine,
dated 3rd November, 1468, and that the person then entitled in remainder
was Joan, wife of George Beaumont, esq., niece of Thomas Swynford the
son, viz., daughter of his sister Margaret, late wife of Thomas
Paunsfote. The next heir of her blood was Thomas Wodroff, aged 30,
probably her son by her second marriage. [The reference is IPM, 8 Hen.
VIII.]
The first Thomas Swynford mentioned in this IPM is Thomas (4). The
inquisition would read more naturally if the second mention of Thomas
Swynford was referring to the same person. However, the second mention
is of Thomas Swynford "the son," and Cole interpreted "the son" as
"junior," referring to the Thomas who died an unmarried minor in 1498.
I suspect that "the son" is either a transcription error or else
spurious in the original, and that Margaret Swynford was a sister rather
than a daughter of Thomas (4). Margaret's daughters Anne and Joan were
born about 1469 and 1471, respectively (since aged 40 and 38 in 1509),
so if Margaret were the daughter of Thomas (4, born about 1435), she
would have had to been born around 1452 and thus would have been
probably 25 or more years older than her purported brother Thomas who
died an unmarried minor in 1498. This seems rather improbable. If, on
the other hand, Margaret was the daughter of Thomas (3) and the sister
of Thomas (4), then she would have been born probably in the late 1430's
(since Thomas (3) died bef. 1440), and her daughters would have been
born when she around 30 or slightly older, which is relatively
plausible.
-- Don Stone
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