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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" < >
Subject: Sancha: a big long juicy descent
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 05:45:44 GMT
I just got hold of the following reference:
Salazar Acha, Jaime de. Los Descendientes del Conde Ero Fernandez.
in Galicia en la Edad Media, 67-86.
This article takes its origin from a mid 13th century pedigree which
traces the descent of the patrons of a monastery from it's founder,
Ero Fernandez, who was active at the Leonese court at the end of the
9th century. Because of its length and its relevance to other
descents posted here, I will present the part of the descent relevant
to our favorite Spanish Lady-in-Waiting.
I.Ero Fernandez, d.ca. 926, he was married twice. By the first wife,
Adosinda, he had Gundesindo and Ilduara, wife of Gutierre Menendez
(they were parents of San Rosendo, Fruela Gutierrez (ancestor of
Tutadonna, mother-in-law of Alfonso V) and Hermesenda, wife of Pelayo
Gonzalez). By his second wife, Elvira, Ero had Diego and Gudesteo
(who follows). By one of the two he had Goda and Teresa, who married
Gonzalo Betote and was mother of Adosinda Gonzalez (wife of Ordono
III, who was divorced because `she was not pleasing to the eye'),
Pelayo Gonzalez (who married his cousin Hermesenda and had, with
others, Gontroda, mother of Vermudo II, and Elduara, who married
Gonzalo Menendez) and Hermengildo Gonzalez (who married Muniadona
Diaz, daughter of Diego Fernandez, brother of Ero, and had Gonzalo
Menendez, who married his cousin Ilduara Pelayez and had Menendo
Gonzalez, father-in-law of Alfonso V - confused yet? :) chart it out
and it may make more sense. There were innumerable intermarriages
among the descendants of the Fernandez brothers, the Gutierez
brothers (Osorio and Hermengildo), the Betote clan, and the royal
house of Leon.)
II.Gudesteo (Eriz), d.ca.939. He married Gugina (daughter of an
unidentified Adosinda) and had: (Note: Saez Sanchez appears to
have confused this family somewhat, making this Gudesteo a brother
of Ero Fernandez, and his wife Gugina a daughter of Ero and
Adosinda, making him marry his niece, for which there is no
precident among these early spanish descents. The only other case
where I have seen this claimed is for the marriage of Vermudo II
to Velasquita Ramirez, called by some daughter of Vermudo's
grandfather Ramiro II. It is much more likely that she was
daughter of one of two cousins, Ramiro Pelaez or Ramiro Menendez,
children of Pelayo Gonzalez and Hermengildo Gonzalez, respectively
(see above). The two articles by Saez Sanchez are still the best
to help clarify the ugly mess above.)
III. Ordono Gudesteoiz
IV. Gudesteo Ordonez, m. Leogundia Rodriguez
V. Odrocia (Gudesteoiz) fl. 1039 (Note that the pedigree in question
makes two mistakes regarding her. First, she is called daughter of
Gudesteo Eriz, which is chronologically impossible. Salazar Acha
reasonably suggests that the pedigree compiler has confused her
father with his grandfather of the same name. Second, it names her
son-in-law Rodrigo Romaniz as her husband, again confusing two men of
the same name). She married a Rodrigo, and there is reason to suggest
that he was Rodrigo Gutierrez (grandson of both of the Gutierez
brothers named above, and brother-in-law of Ramiro II, he has been
called father of Gonzalo Rodriguez, ancestor of the Osorio lineage
already posted).
VI. Elvira Rodriguez, m. Rodrigo Romaniz. His father Roman is called
son of Vermudo II. There is no known son of this king by this name,
and the chronology is awfully short, yet an independent early source
provides the same relationship, so it just may be true (the date of
Vermudo's birth cannot be firmly placed, due to his illegitimacy, and
it may be possible to bump it back a little to accomidate this child,
who as his first child would clearly be a bastard).
VII. Munio Rodriguez, married twice. His first wife was Jimena
Ordonez, daughter of Ordono (bastard of Vermudo II) and Fronilda
Pelaez, in turn the daughter of Pelayo Rodriguez named above. By her
he had at least two children, sons Suaro and Rodrigo. The latter of
these Rodrigo Munoz was killed in battle in 1086, and is (almost
definitely wrongly) claimed as founder of the Guzman family and as
brother (again wrongly) of Jimena Munoz, mistress of Alfonso VI.
Rodrigo's only known descendants go through four consecutive
daughters to Alvar Diaz de Cameros, whose only daughter married
Alfonso Lopez de Haro. by his second wife, Ilduara Velasquez,
daughter of Velasco Almeiuz, he had:
VIII. Elvira Munoz, m. Pelayo Gomez (d.1101) son of Gomez Diaz de
Carrion and Teresa Pelaez, daughter of Pelayo Fruelaz `el Diacon' by
Alduara, daughter of Infante Ordono (son of Ramiro III) by Christina
(daughter of Vermudo II by his first wife, Velasquita Ramirez. I
bed you were wondering why I provided the scoop on her above).
IX. Munio Pelaez, fl. 1142, m. Lupa Perez de Traba, daughter of Pedro
Fruelaz de Traba by his first wife.
X. Pedro Munoz, fl. 1176
XI. Aldonza Perez, m. Rodrigo Fernandez de Torono (often called de
Cabrera or de Ribera). In addition to a son Rodrigo, he had two
daughters, whose names are often confused. One of them, Sancha
Rodriguez, married Gonzalo Ruiz Giron, and had, with others, a
daughter Teresa, who married Rodrigo Gonzalez. (He has been
traditionally identified as ancestor of the Ceballos family, but
there is reason to believe that he was instead Rodrigo Gonzalez de
Orbaneja. If this is the case, then it blows the possible descent
from Alfonso VI's `Queen Elizabeth'/?Zaida of Deira.) The other
daughter:
X. Urraca/Maria/Teresa Rodriguez (her existance is clear, although
her name is not) m. Martin Perez de Silva.
XI. Aldonza Martinez de Silva, mistress of Alfonso IX, and later
wife of Diego Fruelaz. By the former she had:
XII. Aldonza Alfonso, who married first Diego Ramirez Fruelaz, and
second Pedro Ponce (de Leon).
Both of the above Diego Fruelaz/Aldonza marriages produced a
Rodrigo Diaz de Cifueltes, and thus there is tremendous potential
for confusion. I have previously posted a descent from Alfonso IX
through this daughter Aldonza, but am no longer as confident that
the descent was from her marriage, rather than from her mothers
marriage (although I have found nothing definitive either way).
One way or the other, descent from Aldonza Martinez de Silva would
be retained.
Todd
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