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From: "Frank H. Johansen" < >
Subject: Ancestry of Shah Ismael I of Persia
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:59:28 +0100


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Here's what I've found on the ancestry of Shah Isamel I of Persia:

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1. Ismael I, Shah of Persia, d. 1524

2. Haydar Safavi, Sultan, d. 1488
3. Halima Begun

6. Uzun Hasan, Khan of the Aq-Qoyunliu, d. 1478
7. Theodroa Komnena

14. Ionannes IV, Emperor of Trapenzunt 1429, d. 1459
15. A Turkish Lady

28. Alexios IV, Emperor of Trapezunt 1417, d. 1429
29. Tehodora Kantakuzene, d.1426

56. Manuel III, Emperor of Trapezunt 1390, b. 1364, d. 1417
57. Gulkhan Eudokia of Georgia or Anna Philanthropene

112. Alexios III, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1338, d. 1390
113. Theodora Kantakuzene

224. Basileios, Emperor of Trapenzunt, 1332, d. 1340
225. Eirene

448. Alexios II, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1283, d. 1330
449. Djuadjak of Samatzhke

896. Ioannes II, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1262/3, d. 1297
897. Eudokia Palailogina, d. 1301/2
898. Bekha Jaqueli ata, Beg of Samatzkhe
899. ?

1792. Manuel I, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1218, d. 1263
1793. Eirene Syrikaina
1794. Michael VIII, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1224/5, d. 1282
1795. Tehodora Dukaina Batatzaina, b. 1240, d. 1303

3584. Alexios I, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1182, d. 1222
3585. Theodora Azuchina
3588. Andronikos Dukas Komnenos Palaiologos (!), Gov. of Thessalonica,
d. after 1246
3589. Theodora Palailogina
3590. Ioannes Batatzes, b. 1215, d. ?
3591. Eudokia Angelina

7168. Manuel Komnenos, b. before 1152, d. after 1185
7169. N.N. of Georgia
7180. Isaakios Dukas Batatzes, d. 1261
7181. ?

14336. Andronikos I Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1123/4, d. 1185
14337. N. Palaiologa
14338. David IV, King of Georgia
14339. ?
14360. Basileios Batatzes, Duke of Thrace, d. 1193
14361. N. Angelina

28672. Isaakios Komnenos, b. ca. 1093, d. after 1152
28673. ?
28722. Isaakios Angelos, Military Governor of Cilicia
28723. ?

57334, 114890. Alexios I Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1048/57, d.
1118
57335, 114891. Eirene Dukaina, b. 1066, d. 1123
57444. Konstantinos Angelos, Admiral of Sicilia, d. ca. 1166
57445. Theodora Komnena, b. 1096

114688. Ioannes Komnenos, b. 1015, d. 1067
114689. Anna Dalassene of Italy
114690. Andronikos Dukas, d. 1077
114691. Maria of Bulgaria, d. after 1089
114890. =57334.
114891. =57335.

229376. Manuel Komnenos, d. 1020
229377. ?
229378. Alexios Charon, Prefect of Italy
229379. ?
229380. Ioannes Dukas, d. 1088
229381. Eirene Pegonitissa
229382. Trajan, Prince of Bulgaria
229383. ?

458760. Andronikos Dukas, living 1020
458761. ?
458764. Ivan Vladislav, Tsar of the Bulgarians, d. 1018
458765. Marija

917528. Aaron of Western Bulgaria, d. 987/8
917529. ?

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When I've only used Paul Theroff's genfiles, there probably are a lot of
blancs to fill in here...... Could there possibly be a chance of a link
back to great old Charlie somewhere? And what about the connections to
the Georgian Kings?

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In Paul's file on the Byzantine families, I've found several connections
to muslim and other asian families:

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3.3.3.1.Ioannes Komnenos Tzelepes, a Mohamedan and a noted scholar;
m.1st 1131 a dau.of Leon, Lord of the Mountains; m.2d 1140 a dau.of
Sultan Mas'ud of Rum.
3.3.3.1.1.Isaakios Komnenos, d.under torture
3.3.3.1.2.Suleiman Shah, may have had descendants, who were Moslems

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(Underlined)

1.2.3.1.Alexios II, Emp in Trapezunt 1297-1330 (1283-1330); m.1300
Djiadjak, dau.of Bekha Jaqueli ata, Beg of Samatzkhe
1.2.3.1.1.Andronikos III, Emp in Trapezunt 1330-2, murdered 1332; m. NN
1.2.3.1.1.1.[illegitimate]Manuel II, Emp of Trapezunt for 8 months in
1332; b.1323/4, murdered 1333
1.2.3.1.2.Basileios, Emp in Trapezunt 1332-40, poisoned 1340; m.1st 1335
Eiren Palaiologina, Empress of Trapezunt 1340-1; m.2d, bigamously,
Eirene, a lady from Trapezunt, who was the mother of his kids
1.2.3.1.2.1.Alexeios Megas Komnenos (1337-ca 1349)
1.2.3.1.2.2.Alexeios III, Emp in Trapezunt 1349-90; (1338-1390); m.1351
Theodora Kantukuzene
1.2.3.1.2.2.1.Basileios Megas Komnenos (1358-1377)
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.Manuel III, Emp in Trapezunt 1390-1416; (1364-1417); m.1st
1377
Gulkhan=Eudokia, dau.of King David VII of Georgia; m.2d 1395 Anna
Philanthropene
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.Alexios IV, Emp in Trapezunt 1417-29, murdered 1429;
m.1395 Theodora Kantakuzene (d.1426)
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.Ioannes IV, Emp in Trapezunt 1429-59, had to pay
tribute to Sultan Mohammed II, d.1460; m.1st ca 1426 a dau.of King
Alexander of Iberia; m.2d before 1438 a Turkish lady
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.Theodora Megale Komnene, d.after 1478; m.1458 Uzun
Hasan khan Aqqeyunlu
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.2.Skantarios Megas Komnenos, d.1454/9; m.1437 <aria
Gattilusia, who was taken into the harem of Sultan Mohammed II in 1461
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.2.1.Alexios Megas Komnenos, b.1454, beheaded 1463
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.David, Emp in Trapezunt 1459-61, beheaded 1463; m.1st
1429 Maria, dau.of Pr Alexios of Gothia; m.2d before 1447 Helene
Kantakuzene
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.1.,2,and 3.--3 sons, named Basileios, Manuel and
Georgios, who were beheaded in 1463
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.4.Anna Megale Komnene (1447-after 1463); m.1462 Zagan
Paya
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.5.a dau., m.Mamia de Gourie, from Georgia
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.4.Maria Megale Komnene, d.of the Plague 1439; m.1427
Emperor Ioannes VIII of Byzantium
1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.5.Theodora Megale Komnene; m.ca 1422 Osman beg Kara
Iluk, Khan of Aqqoyunlu
1.2.3.1.2.2.3.Eudokia Megale Komnene; m.1st 1379 Ta Jeddin, emir of
Limnia (d.1386); m.2d Konstantinos Dragas, a Serb
1.2.3.1.2.2.4.Maria Megale Komnene; m.Suleiman beg, Emir of Chalybia
1.2.3.1.2.2.5.a dau., m.Mutakharten, Emir of Erzincan
1.2.3.1.2.2.6.Anna Megale Komnene (1357-after 1406); m.1367 King Bagrat
V of Georgia 1.2.3.1.2.2.7.[illegitimate]Andronikos Megas Komnenos,
b.1355, d.after being thrown from a tower 1376
1.2.3.1.2.2.8.[illegitimate]Ioannes Megas Komnenos
1.2.3.1.2.3.Maria Megale Komnene (1328-1408); m.1352 Fahreddin Kutlug
beg, Khan of Aqqoyunlu
1.2.3.1.2.4.Theodora Megale Komnene; m.after 29 Aug 1358 Hajj-Omar, Emir
of Chalybia
1.2.3.1.3.Michael Azachutlus Komnenos, murdered by his brother
Andronikos 1330
1.2.3.1.4.Georgios Achpugas Komnenos, mureder by his brother Andronikos
1330
1.2.3.1.5.Anna Anachutlu Komnene, a nun, became Empress in Trapezunt
1341-2, strangled to death 1342
1.2.3.1.6.Eudokia Komnene, may have m.Adil beg ibn Yakub Kandaride

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1.8.[illegitimate]Euphrosyne=Eirene; m.1266 Nogaj Chan, of the Golden
Horde (d.1293)
1.9.[illegitimate]Maria Palaiologina; m.1265 Ilchan of Iran; m.2d the
Turkish Pr Charbanden

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How much is actually known of these connections. Did they have any
descendants, any (famous) descendants living today?

FHJ

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Here's what I've found on the ancestry of Shah Isamel I of Persia:

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<P>1. Ismael I, Shah of Persia, d. 1524

<P>2. Haydar Safavi, Sultan, d. 1488
<BR>3. Halima Begun

<P>6. Uzun Hasan, Khan of the Aq-Qoyunliu, d. 1478
<BR>7. Theodroa Komnena

<P>14. Ionannes IV, Emperor of Trapenzunt 1429, d. 1459
<BR>15. A Turkish Lady

<P>28. Alexios IV, Emperor of Trapezunt 1417, d. 1429
<BR>29. Tehodora Kantakuzene, d.1426

<P>56. Manuel III, Emperor of Trapezunt 1390, b. 1364, d. 1417
<BR>57. Gulkhan Eudokia of Georgia or Anna Philanthropene

<P>112. Alexios III, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1338, d. 1390
<BR>113. Theodora Kantakuzene

<P>224. Basileios, Emperor of Trapenzunt, 1332, d. 1340
<BR>225. Eirene

<P>448. Alexios II, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1283, d. 1330
<BR>449. Djuadjak of Samatzhke

<P>896. Ioannes II, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1262/3, d. 1297
<BR>897. Eudokia Palailogina, d. 1301/2
<BR>898. Bekha Jaqueli ata, Beg of Samatzkhe
<BR>899. ?

<P>1792. Manuel I, Emperor of Trapezunt, b. 1218, d. 1263
<BR>1793. Eirene Syrikaina
<BR>1794. Michael VIII, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1224/5, d. 1282
<BR>1795. Tehodora Dukaina Batatzaina, b. 1240, d. 1303

<P>3584. Alexios I, Emperor of Trapezunt,&nbsp; b. 1182, d. 1222
<BR>3585. Theodora Azuchina
<BR>3588. Andronikos Dukas Komnenos Palaiologos (!), Gov. of Thessalonica,
d. after 1246
<BR>3589. Theodora Palailogina
<BR>3590. Ioannes Batatzes, b. 1215, d. ?
<BR>3591. Eudokia Angelina

<P>7168. Manuel Komnenos, b. before 1152, d. after 1185
<BR>7169. N.N. of Georgia
<BR>7180. Isaakios Dukas Batatzes, d. 1261
<BR>7181. ?

<P>14336. Andronikos I Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1123/4, d. 1185
<BR>14337. N. Palaiologa
<BR>14338. David IV, King of Georgia
<BR>14339. ?
<BR>14360. Basileios Batatzes, Duke of Thrace, d. 1193
<BR>14361. N. Angelina

<P>28672. Isaakios Komnenos, b. ca. 1093, d. after 1152
<BR>28673. ?
<BR>28722. Isaakios Angelos, Military Governor of Cilicia
<BR>28723. ?

<P>57334, 114890. Alexios I Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantz, b. 1048/57, d.
1118
<BR>57335, 114891. Eirene Dukaina, b. 1066, d. 1123
<BR>57444. Konstantinos Angelos, Admiral of Sicilia, d. ca. 1166
<BR>57445. Theodora Komnena, b. 1096

<P>114688. Ioannes Komnenos, b. 1015, d. 1067
<BR>114689. Anna Dalassene of Italy
<BR>114690. Andronikos Dukas, d. 1077
<BR>114691. Maria of Bulgaria, d. after 1089
<BR>114890. =57334.
<BR>114891. =57335.

<P>229376. Manuel Komnenos, d. 1020
<BR>229377. ?
<BR>229378. Alexios Charon, Prefect of Italy
<BR>229379. ?
<BR>229380. Ioannes Dukas, d. 1088
<BR>229381. Eirene Pegonitissa
<BR>229382. Trajan, Prince of Bulgaria
<BR>229383. ?

<P>458760. Andronikos Dukas, living 1020
<BR>458761. ?
<BR>458764. Ivan Vladislav, Tsar of the Bulgarians, d. 1018
<BR>458765. Marija

<P>917528. Aaron of Western Bulgaria, d. 987/8
<BR>917529. ?

<P>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<P>When I've only used Paul Theroff's genfiles, there probably are a lot
of blancs to fill in here...... Could there possibly be a chance of a link
back to great old Charlie somewhere? And what about the connections to
the Georgian Kings?

<P>xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<BR>In Paul's file on the Byzantine families, I've found several connections
to muslim and other asian families:

<P>xxxxxxxxxx

<P>3.3.3.1.Ioannes Komnenos Tzelepes, a Mohamedan and a noted scholar;
m.1st 1131 a dau.of Leon, Lord of the Mountains; m.2d 1140 a dau.of Sultan
Mas'ud of Rum.
<BR>3.3.3.1.1.Isaakios Komnenos, d.under torture
<BR>3.3.3.1.2.Suleiman Shah, may have had descendants, who were Moslems

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<BR>(Underlined)

<P>1.2.3.1.Alexios II, Emp in Trapezunt 1297-1330 (1283-1330); m.1300 Djiadjak,
dau.of <U>Bekha Jaqueli ata, Beg of Samatzkhe</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.1.Andronikos III, Emp in Trapezunt 1330-2, murdered 1332; m.
NN
<BR>1.2.3.1.1.1.[illegitimate]Manuel II, Emp of Trapezunt for 8 months
in 1332; b.1323/4, murdered 1333
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.Basileios, Emp in Trapezunt 1332-40, poisoned 1340; m.1st
1335 Eiren Palaiologina, Empress of Trapezunt 1340-1; m.2d, bigamously,
Eirene, a lady from Trapezunt, who was the mother of his kids
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.1.Alexeios Megas Komnenos (1337-ca 1349)
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.Alexeios III, Emp in Trapezunt 1349-90; (1338-1390); m.1351
Theodora Kantukuzene
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.1.Basileios Megas Komnenos (1358-1377)
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.Manuel III, Emp in Trapezunt 1390-1416; (1364-1417);
m.1st 1377
<BR>Gulkhan=Eudokia, dau.of King David VII of Georgia; m.2d 1395 Anna Philanthropene
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.Alexios IV, Emp in Trapezunt 1417-29, murdered 1429;
m.1395 Theodora Kantakuzene (d.1426)
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.Ioannes IV, Emp in Trapezunt 1429-59, had to pay
tribute to Sultan Mohammed II, d.1460; m.1st ca 1426 a dau.of King Alexander
of Iberia; m.2d before 1438 a Turkish lady
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.Theodora Megale Komnene, d.after 1478; m.1458 Uzun
Hasan khan Aqqeyunlu
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.2.Skantarios Megas Komnenos, d.1454/9; m.1437 <aria
Gattilusia, who was taken into the harem of <U>Sultan Mohammed II</U> in
1461
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.2.1.Alexios Megas Komnenos, b.1454, beheaded 1463
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.David, Emp in Trapezunt 1459-61, beheaded 1463; m.1st
1429 Maria, dau.of <U>Pr Alexios of Gothia</U>; m.2d before 1447 Helene
Kantakuzene
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.1.,2,and 3.--3 sons, named Basileios, Manuel and
Georgios, who were beheaded in 1463
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.4.Anna Megale Komnene (1447-after 1463); m.1462 <U>Zagan
Paya</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.3.5.a dau., m.Mamia de Gourie, from Georgia
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.4.Maria Megale Komnene, d.of the Plague 1439; m.1427
Emperor Ioannes VIII of Byzantium
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.2.1.5.Theodora Megale Komnene; m.ca 1422 <U>Osman beg Kara
Iluk, Khan of Aqqoyunlu</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.3.Eudokia Megale Komnene; m.1st 1379 <U>Ta Jeddin, emir
of Limnia</U> (d.1386); m.2d Konstantinos Dragas, a Serb
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.4.Maria Megale Komnene; m.<U>Suleiman beg, Emir of Chalybia</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.5.a dau., m.<U>Mutakharten, Emir of Erzincan</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.6.Anna Megale Komnene (1357-after 1406); m.1367 King Bagrat
V of Georgia 1.2.3.1.2.2.7.[illegitimate]Andronikos Megas Komnenos, b.1355,
d.after being thrown from a tower 1376
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.2.8.[illegitimate]Ioannes Megas Komnenos
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.3.Maria Megale Komnene (1328-1408); m.1352 <U>Fahreddin Kutlug
beg, Khan of Aqqoyunlu</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.2.4.Theodora Megale Komnene; m.after 29 Aug 1358 <U>Hajj-Omar,
Emir of Chalybia</U>
<BR>1.2.3.1.3.Michael Azachutlus Komnenos, murdered by his brother Andronikos
1330
<BR>1.2.3.1.4.Georgios Achpugas Komnenos, mureder by his brother Andronikos
1330
<BR>1.2.3.1.5.Anna Anachutlu Komnene, a nun, became Empress in Trapezunt
1341-2, strangled to death 1342
<BR>1.2.3.1.6.Eudokia Komnene, may have m.<U>Adil beg ibn Yakub Kandaride</U><U></U>

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<P>1.8.[illegitimate]Euphrosyne=Eirene; m.1266 Nogaj Chan, of the Golden
Horde (d.1293)
<BR>1.9.[illegitimate]Maria Palaiologina; m.1265 Ilchan of Iran; m.2d the
Turkish Pr Charbanden

<P>xxxxxxxxxxxx

<P>How much is actually known of these connections. Did they have any descendants,
any (famous) descendants living today?

<P>FHJ</HTML>

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