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From: Stewart Baldwin< >
Subject: Llywelyn ap Iorwerth AT corrections.
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 20:38:02 GMT
Following my recent trip to the Family History Library in Salt Lake
City, I have had a chance to look at some of the primary sources which
I had not been able to consult earlier when I made the first draft of
my Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table (Generations 1-18), which was
posted to this newsgroup in July and August. Those who have not seen
the table can find it (in several pieces) by going to Dejanews
< http://www.dejanews.com/> ;, clicking on "Power search", and then
entering "Llywelyn ap Iorwerth" (without the quotes) as the search
string. At the time I am writing this, all of the pieces are included
on Dejanews in the "new" articles, but it will not be long before some
or all of the pieces will be found among the "old" articles.
The following corrections should be made:
36. change the entire entry to the following:
36. Edwin. [Note: PP.36 gives several contradictory
accounts of Edwin's parentage, all from late manuscripts, so
his parentage should be regarded as unknown. The attempt of
David H. Kelley (in "Edwin of Tegeingl", TAG 46 (1970), 75-
80) to identify him with Edwin of Mercia is unconvincing.]
[Additional note: The text of PP.36 has recently been posted to this
newsgroup by Luke Stevens. The suggested Edwin of Tegeingl - Edwin of
Mercia identification has been discussed in several recent postings to
this newsgroup.]
72. change to: "Unknown [See note under #36]"
144. change to: "Unknown"
196. Owain ap Hywel Dda, etc. - remove the comment "(also #288)"
288-9. change to: "Unknown"
1108: change entire entry to:
1108. Murchad mac Moenaig, king of West Connaught, d. 896 [AI]
2216. change entire entry to:
2216. Moenach [mac Flaithnia?] [Note: As the patronymic of
Murchad mac Moenaig, his first name can be considered well
documented by the AI entry giving the obituary of his son.
In EL, p. 27, the only source cited by Kelley for Moenach's
ancestry is The O'Clery Book of Genealogies (Analecta
Hibernica 18) (Dublin, 1951). This is a seventeenth century
source, which should be treated with caution (because of its
lateness), and I have therefore attached a question mark to
the preceding generations.]
4432, 8864, 17728, 35456, 70912, 141824: add a question mark to each,
and in each case replace the comment "see note under #1108" with "see
note under #2216".
Add the following reference:
AI = The Annals of Inisfallen (MS. Rawlinson B.503), edited
by Sean Mac Airt (Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies,
1951, reprinted 1977)
That's all for now, but I will undoubtedly have additional corrections
when I have a chance to look at the additional data more carefully.
Stewart Baldwin
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